Talk:War of the Sicilian Vespers

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Couldn't this just be a part of the Sicilian Vespers page? Adam Bishop 19:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It probably could, but if so the Sicilian Vespers page probably needs a somewhat better structure than at present. The war was quite complex: for instance, the Aragonese Crusade was only a small, if important, part of it. PWilkinson 19:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

This is a useful article if it is expanded significantly. It can cover that whole period of wars from the event called the Vespers itself to the peace of 1302 and including the Aragonese Crusade. It would be especially useful for parts of the conflict which cannot merit their own articles and for giving the various events a unity. Srnec 04:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outline

I've created headings to outline the proposed organization of the article. (See HTML comments there.) I think it makes sense to treat it in four stages: the Sicilian Vespers and the indigenous rebellion, the subsequent invasion of Peter of Aragon, the Aragonese Crusade, and the final phase of the war pitting Naples and Aragon against an independent Sicily. We might add a fifth section discussing the implications of the Peace of Caltabellotta, effects on European polity of the war, etc. Choess 22:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Collo expedition

I've added a couple of references (which should be of general use for the entire article) and also made a couple of emendations about the Aragonese expedition to Collo (the modern name for the place, and the one used by both Runciman and Abulafia). My apologies about the formatting of the Muntaner reference - I'm using an antiquated browser that makes any extensive editing of non-ASCII text difficult, and I'm rather short of time at the moment.

The Collo expedition may need its own article, even if it is rather obscure and may be difficult to source in detail. The whole history of the expedition seems full of minor (though possibly connected) oddities: a claimed crusade disowned by Pope Martin IV in apparent support of a ruler of Constantine, Algeria, whom the Aragonese claimed wanted to convert to Christianity but who had been deposed by his Tunisian overlord before the Aragonese reached Collo (allegedly because of messages passed on by Minorcan Muslims - see the article on Abû 'Umar ibn Sa'îd for further details). Also, while Aragonese troops had been in north Africa the previous year, the Collo expedition only set out a few weeks after the Sicilian Vespers - and, having found that the original purpose of the expedition had been superseded, stayed in Collo apparently doing very little until they got the Sicilian invitation. PWilkinson 22:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I understand. I doubt, however, that a good article could be created for now. If you have enough information, though, please go ahead and I'll add or expand what I can. The chronology of the events of the African expedition is confusing for me. I was unaware of any papal sanction for the invasion of Tunisia as a "Crusade". Srnec 20:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)