Talk:War of the Five Kings
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[edit] Causes
The causes section is just a plot summary of A Game of Thrones, which doesn't belong here and already exists elsewhere. I recommend replacing it by a short paragraph laying out the sides and their basic motivations, if we even need that. Brendan Moody 19:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Could be useful. I think the info in this article is pretty good and am loathe to mess around with it too much, but a better laying out of the sides could be a good idea. I am hoping to re-read the series in a few months' time so I can double-check the army numbers, as I don't remember virtually every army's precise numbers being given for every battle, but I may be wrong.--Werthead 22:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Well most of those are mine and while most are given directly some many were found using matamatical relations example Roose's army at the Green fork isn't stated however Robb had 18K at Moat Cailin leaving 400 defenders, the Frey's had 4K, 800 were left to defend the twins and Robb had 6K when he attacked Jaime (there is an unknown variable of how many men joined Robb with Mallister which i put at 1K) which gives Roose a roughly army of 16K at the Green Fork. However I think some were changed or added that don't sound right. Cybroleach 20:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Battle of Mummer's Ford and the Brotherhood without Banners
There are some things i wondered about this since it's not one of my paragraphs; first I'm not sure it should be part of the war since Gergor wasn't flying any banners and Beric was sent out as an exciquetion part and was before Robert's death? (Which is why i left it out). Then it's placement in the timeline i always placed it before everything else, however it mentions Karl and Marq leaving to attack Lannister foragers after hearing of Jaime's victories, which i don't recall at all? And was under the impression they returned to thier fathers at Golden Tooth after seeing Ned, and rallied small parties together after Jaime smashed them. Also it calls Raymund Lord of Darry (isn't ever said in AGOT or ACOK) and if I'm correct in the timeline can't be true he'd have died before his father at Goldentooth.Cybroleach 20:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Army/Navy Numbers
I'm wondering about some of the army and navy numbers.
Where does it say that the Riverlords had 4,000 men at the Golden Tooth or that Edmure had 16,000 men at Riverrun when Jaime defeated them? At the Battle of the Red Fork Edmure had 11,000 men, and not 13,000 as the article states, if I recall correctly.
The size of Tywin's host is given as 20,000 men at various points (prior to the Battle of the Green Fork, at Harrenhall, and after the Battle of the Blackwater). I wonder how reliable and exact this number is, though. Either his losses were absolutely minimal -- in the range of less than a thousand -- or his host was supplemented with sellswords and freeriders during the campaign, or he started out with more than 20,000 while later estimates are somewhat rounded.
I recall that Robb left 400 of his men at the Twins to match the Freys but not that he left exactly 400 at Moat Cailin. He left a "small" force of bowmen as I recall.
Does the Iron Fleet number "a hundred ships" as stated in the article?
Did the Tyrell host number merely 50,000 when Tywin joined them? In ASoS Tyrion speculates how many roses _remained_ at King's Landing: 50,000, 60,000 or 70,000. When the Tyrells numbered more than 50,000 men, the combined Tyrell-Lannister host at the Blackwater will have numbered more than 70,000 men too.
While Stannis had near 20,000 men coming from Storm's End towards King's Landing, he also had a quite considerable force at sea prior and during the Battle of the Blackwater. Most of his foot -- several thousand strong, probably -- was on the ships of his fleet, after all. Moreover, Stannis' fleet was about a couple hundred ships strong, many quite large. Such a large fleet needed thousands of sailors and rowers. Незнакомец 00:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wasn't the Red Wedding a massacre not a battle?
I mean seriously, they were butchered when they were supposed to attend a wedding feast...I think that it needs to go off this list and get its own article, or lose the battle infoboc and call it "The Red Wedding", or "the Red Wedding Massacre" or something. MB
- Well I'd say that in a certain sense of the word you're right, it was definitely a massacre, but I think it was also a battle, albeit an unexpected one, because there were two sides coming together in armed conflict. Pyreforge 01:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WP:WAF
I flagged this article for really, really, REALLY breaching WP:WAF. Tone down the cruft please. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Where exactly is the CRUFT, cruftflinger?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.48.6.139 (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
