Talk:War and Peace (1968 film)

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Contents 1 April 2006 Additions 2 Russian name of film in intro 3 Most expensive film ever? 4 Box office receipts 5 Length 6 Release date(s) 7 Fair use rationale for Image:B0000778887.jpg 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Voina Mir.jpg

[edit] April 2006 Additions

Having seen this film back in 1969 Wiki's page for it took me back in time. In fact, I still have my ticket stub from part two as a bookmark in my copy of the book. The fact that some memories of seeing it had faded sent me on a search for more info. Unfortunately the nets articles were confusing and conflicting. So a little trip to the Denver Public Library to head into the microfilm files of the Rocky Mountain News ensued. The chapter titles cited were a part of the print ads for the film and the run times were given in the review of the film by Francis Melrose in the paper dated Thur. May 1, 1969. Other changes that I made to the page today were mostly style changes to make the article a little more readable to me, but, I am not perfect and I look forward to any changes othere wikip contributers make to enhance what is already there. My research brought up a couple of other things that I could not put into this page at the present time.

1. I remember that sometime in the early to mid 70's ABC had a well advertised, four night showing of the film that was a ratings disaster. If anybody comes across the exact dates of this before I do please feel free to add it to this article.
2. Ms Melrose, in her review, made an interesting (to me anyway) comment. She stated that, aside from the narration, this film had the least amount of dialogue in a film of the modern era since Mr Hulot's Holiday (Les Vacances de Monsieur Hulot). I did not feel that I could find a place to add this to the article as it stands in its stub form nor have I learned how to make a wiki footnote yet. If an editor down the road finds a way to add this, again, feel free to do so.

My thanks to wikipedia for sparking memories, for sending me out to do research away from the net and for giving all of us a place to create learning for others who will come here.User:MarnetteD | Talk 23:32, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian name of film in intro

I was about to point out that the russian name of the film (as clearly seen in the image for the movie poster) is "Война и мир", not "Воŭна u мuр", as it appears in the intro, but then I looked into the actual wikicode for it, and it appears that "и" actually becomes "u" when italicized (example: ииииииииииииии)...

So, eh, is this proper? T. S. Rice 02:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Indeed, I believe "u" is the italicized standard form of и. There was some discussion about this: [1]

--Kaikaapro 16:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most expensive film ever?

Added "It is estimated that a film of this magnitude would cost over 1 billion dollars today, making this arguably the most expensive film ever made." with a link to Amazon as a source. If anyone can find a better source for this, feel free to replace it.

--Kaikaapro 16:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, the List of most expensive films article gives the inflation adjusted figures as $560 million today. The $1 billion figure could be the cost to reshoot the movie (with all of the extras) but that's pure speculation: after all CGI might make it cheaper to shoot nowadays. The point is, that inflation-adjusted numbers are varifiable as opposed to estimates. Makgraf 22:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Box office receipts

Unlike other films in the List of most expensive films, there is no record of box office receipts for this movie. Does anyone know whether it was a box office hit or smash? --Nonstopdrivel 14:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

A quick look thru the net found little info. I suspect that figures will be difficult to come up with. This is due, at least in part, to the episodic nature of the film. As noted on the main page in Russia it was released in four parts iver several years and in the west (or at least here in the US) it was shown in two parts with part one running for one week and part two the next. This one week time span may have varied from city to city but I feel somewhat sure that the runs were fairly short in most venues (though a search of each cities newspapers could prove me wrong) and this fact alone will have meant that box office receipts will not have been massive. The huge nature of the project garnered some noteriety for the film and after it won the Oscar for best foreign language film ABC was spurred to give it a television airing which, as I noted above, was a ratings disaster. The film then disappeared until the age of VHS and later DVD. Well I have gone on too long here and haven't really answered your question, but I hope that I have helped explain why the info you are looking for may be hard to find. MarnetteD | Talk 15:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Length

Why is the film length stated as 484 minutes long? The DVD release is 403 minutes long, but even with the PAL speedup discarded, the film still wouldn't be longer than 420 minutes, ie. 7 hours. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.250.41.125 (talk) 15:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Various websites list the film at various lengths. There are some interesting discussions about this at this IMDb message board [2]. You may wish to take this discussion to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films page and get the project to come to a consensus on what run time should be listed. MarnetteD | Talk 16:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Release date(s)

Could someone explain why the Release date is for the USA with the flag of the US? Does this make sense for a Soviet film? Should it not bear the flag of the Soviet Union and the dates of release for the film in the host country and then maybe in addition (for whatever reason) the date for the US release? This seems like a questionable practice. Galo1969X 06:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The US flag is there because the date listed is the first time it showed in a US theater. There is no official Russian release date because, as noted in the article, it was released in four parts over several years there. If any member finds the release dates for the various parts in Russion please feel free to add them to the infobox. MarnetteD | Talk 21:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:B0000778887.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Voina Mir.jpg

Image:Voina Mir.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)