Talk:War (disambiguation)

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[edit] War between Sweden and San Marino

Can anyone actually confirm that Sweden and San Marino were at war with eachother? From what I have found, they were never at war, and the Swedish Foreign Departmant denies that they ever were. GurraJG 14:57, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Differences in ordering

Let's settle this on the talk page and avoid an edit war. I'm trying to understand why you've reverted my last edit. The rule-of-thumb for DAB pages is that the most frequent meaning of the word is first, and that, for long pages, the links are categorised. Given your order, this means you consider the most frequent meaning of "war" to be a card game, and that games, TV shows, music albums and fictional caracters can all be grouped into a single category. I have to say, I disagree on both counts. My page here has "war" in music as the first (most common) meaning, and a topical division of meanings. This, I believe, is a better organisation of the page. -- Ritchy 15:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Your section heading approached a personal attack; I've rephrased. WP:MOSDAB#Order of entries also indicates that articles distinguished by parentheticals be listed first. This list is not particularly long, but given that the music elements represent the largest group, we could clump them together. I happened to leave the card game on top, because it was the top parenthetically-distinguished entry when I got here[1]. Why do you think the (various) music meanings are the most commonly sought? -- JHunterJ 15:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I apologise if you felt the heading was a personal attack, I did not mean it that way - I just wanted to make sure you knew it was addressed to you. I guess I could have posted it on your personal talk page instead, but since it's relevant to this page put it here... at any rate, to answer your question, I believe the music meanings are most sought after because they are the most common; as you pointed out, they are the most numerous group of meanings. So it seems to me that if the word "war" is most frequently used in a musical-related context, then conversely, most people looking at this page will be looking for a music-related meaning.
You seem to be saying that "music" is the only category long enough to deserve a separate section. What length is acceptable to you? The "games" category in my page had four links (5 including a red one), is that not long enough? And what about that three-link category at the end and the one-link "see also" section? What separates them from the rest? It has one caracter, two games and one abbreviation. It seems to me the three first would fit in the first section, and the third in the abbreviation section.
While I wait for your next reply, I'll go ahead and make some minor fixes to the current page which I'm sure you'll agree with. I'm moving the Bolt Thrower album link in "music", changing the link to the TMNT caracter (the current one links to a redirect page), and a cosmetic change for consistency. -- Ritchy 17:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The most numerous set of entries doesn't necessarily include the most commonly referred-to. The games group is a good example. I suspect the children's card game would be more commonly referenced than any one of the music entries, but the others would probably be back in the distance. The only length criterion should be ease of navigation, and the list doesn't appear to hinder navigation. The "can also be used for" section again comes from the manual of style; it suggests separating the synonyms and article-sections from the articles with the dab word in the title with that heading. Yes, absolutely the Bolt Thrower should have been in music. If it weren't just a section of the TMNT article, I would keep the link to the redirect over the pipelink. If it's a section (and it is), it should probably be moved down to the "can also be used for" group. -- JHunterJ 17:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Well the War card game is only linked to by 13 articles (not counting user pages, redirect pages, talk pages, and so on). All but one of the War pages are linked too much more than that, and the only exception (the Bob Marley song) is a stub linked to by 8 pages. So I'd like to know, why do you suspect the card game is the most commonly referenced page?
I agree that ease of navigation should be our first concern in organising the page. Which is why I have trouble with the "can also refer to"/"can also be used for"/"see also" sections. I don't see any meaningful distinction between the elements of these three sections. IMO, they should be merged into one. -- Ritchy 20:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I suppose that last point is one for the guidelines page; the distinction between "refer to" ("Title" in the title) and "also used for" ("Title" not in the title) is given there, and See also has what isn't in either (WARS instead of War). Linked to is not necessarily the same thing as referred to, but I don't know how to get the site's search history, nor correlate it to "wanted" article. -- JHunterJ 21:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)