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Contents 1 Fair use rationale for Image:Warcry (band).jpg 2 Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryC.ogg 3 Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryD.ogg 4 Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryHPST.ogg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryS.ogg 6 Why is CryWar in the septet category? 7 Name Change 8 Logo 9 RM

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Warcry (band).jpg

Image:Warcry (band).jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryC.ogg

Image:WarCryC.ogg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryD.ogg

Image:WarCryD.ogg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryHPST.ogg

Image:WarCryHPST.ogg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:WarCryS.ogg

Image:WarCryS.ogg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 05:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is CryWar in the septet category?

It only has six members! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.155.72 (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Change

The announcement on their website about the name change has disappeared, and at the top there is neither "CryWar" nor WarCry." Should the article be moved back to "WarCry"?--Felipe.posada (talk) 00:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hahahaha, in es.wp we falled in trap too :D. December 28th is a day for jokes (Massacre_of_the_Innocents#Feast_days). WarCry was kidding ;D. --Lin linao (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

So, why don't you change the title of the article?--Greek2 (talk) 14:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't, redirect had a history, but I requested it to an admin ;). Lin linao (talk) 17:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. I understand,I think. But why didn't you answer me in Spanish?--Greek2 (talk) 21:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

Our friend at 156.34.x has a point about the way the WarCry logo has been used so far in this article. There's been a heckuva long and rather contentious discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_Musical_artist#Logos about the inclusion of logos in articles about musical acts, and though there is still a lot of divisiveness on the issue there are certain valid points, and even some consensus, that has come out of it. One thing that has been agreed on is that logos definitely don't belong in the "Name" field of the infobox. The band's name in plain text, plus a free or fair-use picture of them, provides identification. In fact, the wording of Template:Infobox Musical artist#Name has been change to that effect: "The name of the group or artist ("the act") in plain text only (my emphasis). Logos and other graphics are to be avoided in this field in accordance with WP:ACCESS and WP:FAIR. This field is mandatory." A logo also doesn't belong in the "Img" field, as its purpose is for a free or fair use picture of the artist. See Template:Infobox Musical artist#Img: "an image of the act (my emphasis), sufficiently clear for display at 220 pixels' width." Since you already have a nice fair-use image of WarCry in the infobox of this article, you don't need the logo for further identification.
Further to that, there is the question of what exactly constitutes a "logo" in terms of a musical act, and to what degree a logo may or may not be notable. The general consensus seems to be that if the logo is notable, and verifiable, then the proper place for it is in the article body alongside a referenced discussion of its significance. This allows the image to add some meaningful informational content to the article, rather than just serving as decoration. Without critical commentary then it is likely that the use of the image fails WP:NONFREE and that the logo probably isn't notable. Note that it is at best unclear whether the provisions of WP:LOGOS (which allows logos to be used in most cases strictly for identification) applies to the logos of musical acts. WP:NONFREE (a policy of which WP:LOGOS is a subset of guidelines) only specifies that "Team and corporate (my emphasis) logos [may be used] for identification."
However, one point on which WP:LOGOS is clear: "Avoid using a logo in any way that creates an impression that the purpose of its inclusion is to promote something. Generally, logos should be used only when the logo is reasonably familiar (or when the logo itself is of interest for design or artistic reasons)." The "reasonably familiar" bit may be debatable here, but one can certainly say that WarCry's logo isn't nearly as reasonably familiar as, say, The Rolling Stones or Kiss logos, or the logo of a sports team or corporation. And if the WarCry logo is of interest for design or artistic reasons, then those reasons should be discussed in the article using referenced commentary (ie. Who designed it? In what context is it used? Does it have some symbolic meaning? Does it have any cultural, historical, or artistic significance?). Where there is no commentary at all (as in this case), or simply "this is the band's logo," then it creates the impression that the logo's inclusion is promotional (ie. this edit).
On those grounds I support 156.34.x's efforts to keep the logo image out of the article, unless someone develops a section about the band's artistic style and graphics in which case it may be worthwhile to include it. But until then, we must err on the side of WP:FAIR and keep it out. Again, to quote WP:LOGO: "In the case of any dispute, the burden of proof is on the person who wishes to include the logo." If you would like to see some examples of how notable logos can be used add to the informational quality of articles, see this list. Remember, when it comes to notability, show, don't tell. --IllaZilla (talk) 06:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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