User talk:Wangi/archive 03

[edit] Unimodal picture resize

Hey, I was just wondering why you want user-defined sizes? I can see that its a nice idea to scale a picture based on user preferences, but frankly, I doubt that even 5% of wikipedians use that particular preference. Are there any ways we can make a default size, or tell pictures to scale based on screen resolution? The resized picture is tiny on my screen, and my concern as an editor is that its tiny on lots of people's screens. Comments? Fresheneesz 03:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed the above comment to the UniModal talk page.

[edit] BAA

Done. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Before asking fellow editors to revert redirection changes (a tenuous tasks sometimes), you should substantiate your claims. As you can see from the categorized what links here entries below, BAA plc is the predominant meaning given in Wikipedia. While Google may give more meanings to BAA, it is still the top entry. BAA plc is the only non-stub article, it refers to a multi-national company worth billions to which current affairs are many times related. BAA is also its symbol on the LSE.

<snip> (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wangi&diff=58446940&oldid=58432289 for lists)

Therefore, it is my strong convintion that BAA should redirect to BAA plc, which represents the primary topic, and supply a link to the disambiguation page, as per WP:D.

_└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 19:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

reply /wangi 20:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Read WP:D. As you said, it's not the only meaning - but it's the primary meaning. Therefore one should not have a general disambiguation page on the BAA page but on the BAA (disambiguation) page like I had done it. In addition, this is the present not the future; and yet, even if it were the future, BAA would still primarily refer to BAA plc or whatever the name would then be. _└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 20:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Done, though IMO it remains a waste of time. Vote here: Talk:BAA. _└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 12:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

[edit] Brisbane Airport / Qantas

Reason why I did that is because Qantas do fly some domestic flights between International terminals. QF Flights 1-399 are flown from the international terminals, QF400 and above are flown from the domestic terminals. At the same time, QF also has rights to carry domestic pax on domestic legs on QF international flights (ie QF176 - SYD-BNE-LAX).

I've checked the timetable from the official site, and from earlier press releases which also relate to Australian Airlines being closed which stated that the Australian Airlines Cairns-Gold Coast flight was being replaced with a Brisbane-Cairns Qantas international flight. hence why some domestic destinations are listed beside Qantas international entries. --Arnzy ^{(whats up?)} 11:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Airports

Belfast International Airport - I'm going to try and do a rewrite. If you are able to help post on my talk page. --Sunholm(talk) 13:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DAB

I wasn't aware that other words generally shouldn't be linked, but the Alliance for Freedom and Democracy is notable and a legitimate link (it is also generally referred to as AFD rather than its full name). I put the page in alphabetical order because it's not clear which of those articles are more likely to be the intended targets of "AFD" (see the what links here, e.g.). — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 19:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

That's okay. I should have probably created the page before the dismabiguation, but I only created the article because arriving at the DAB page reminded me of it, and I noted that it wasn't listed there. Either way, I learned something from your edit anyway (wrt linking), so it was for the better. :) — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 19:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DAB pages

I'm well aware of the MOS, and I'm also well aware that the big box at the top says "This page is considered a guideline on Wikipedia." Not something to be blindly reverted. I've just made one more edit, to separate the IATA code from the people, and then that'll do. I've already spent about 5 times as much time on one measly dab page as I originally wanted to :) — sjorford++ 16:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Although, having looked back through a few of your contribs, you do seem to have done a lot of good cleanup to dab pages, so fair play to you. It's still not something worth getting into an edit war over though. — sjorford++ 16:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Imagevio

Thanks for that, I knew I had forgotten to do something but unfortunately didn't have the time to double check. The image I copy vio'd I recognised from a local aviation enthusiast's website, though I do know that he also posts his images on Airliners.net. So for Image:1022610.jpg, I guessed it would have been taken from there also. Do a quick search for Ryanair at Dublin Airport and hey presto! I've taken the liberty of marking it as a Copyvio, alerting the user and (this time) listing it on the Copyright Problems page.

The other image on the Prestwick Airport article, of the train station, seems very much like a typical promo shot, but I can't immediately put my finger on where it came from.

I've also had my first bit of immature, though minor, vandalism on my user page this morning. It's from an anon source, so I'm just hoping it's a coincidence..!

[edit] Call for consensus on fan site list on Andy Murray page

Hello Wangi,

I hope you don't mind me moving your post on the Andy Murray (Talk) page alongside the rest of the discussion on that issue. RobbieC 21:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

"I'd rather it was down the bottom and seperate from the rest - the rest of the stuff is really missing the point to be honest! Folk seem to think that it's fine to spam Wikipedia with links to their favourite fan site, it's not - Wikipedia's not a blog, and it's not a link directory.

But in saying thatm full marks for trying to acheive some sort of consensus/L/wangi 21:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RobbieC"

Fair enough - please feel free to move it back. Although I have made my first question in the attempt to gain consensus "should there be a list of fansites?", so I thought your comment was very relevant (and what I'd warned the protagonists would probably be the result if they didn';t sort it among themselves)RobbieC 21:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editting other users comments

I didn't (change any of your words) and wasn't (my purpose)!!! Merely putting together something which was illogically seperated by an additional unrequired heading from something immediate above it! Any reader coming to it first time would/will find it confusing as to why it's seperated. Perhaps look first next time before commenting? Rgds, - Trident13 22:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dabpage alpha sort

In general disambiguation pages are not sorted alphabetically, see: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Order of entries. Thanks/wangi 13:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Woops, I hadn't read that yet. So many pages to add, so many standards to learn. Thanks for correcting my mistake!  :-) --ghoti 13:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unit order in UK articles

I reverted much of User:Dryke edits in this regard. Wasn't difficult. However, if these are pages that you have an interest in, then you should watch them. --MJCdetroit 17:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evan Article

I have researched and improved your Evan article. Please expand it even further. You seem to be an expert at your field of Etruscan mythology but please do not add articles in the future unless you can make them somewhat lengthy. Thanks. --GoOdCoNtEnT 23:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

reply /wangi 08:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig of Birmingham & Manchester

Hi wangi! I've noticed you've also been reverting the occasional unnecessary appearances of (UK) after Birmingham and Manchester in British airport destinations lists. I was wondering if there's somewhere we can suggest some sort of convention/format or state the case that, when it's a regional European airline flying from a provincial European airport with a prop plane, it's unlikely to be flying to Alabama. I know there's the Wiki Airline Project, but that won't cover airport formats I suppose.

Not that it's a big deal by any manner of means, but it's a little irritating and I can see it continuing. As an aside, when you type in Birmingham or Manchester in the search box, it takes you straight to the British cities, and not a disambiguation page. --Ayrshire--77 07:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AIRPORTS IN THE UK

Hi, you are scotish. So you dont like anything UK..you want Scotish independence? grow up ok. Edinburg is in Scotland and in the UK and if you change all of them again I have a Moderator friend. SO DONT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommy23 (talk • contribs) 2006-07-12 15:25:41

reply /wangi 14:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial Sites

On what basis do you decide on your own (apparently)initaive that commercial sites should not be linked to even if the content is relevant. Having stated your prejudice to these sites can you show me the wiki guidelines that agree with this? Thanks. Stupidcupid 10:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Have a read of WP:EL, WP:SPAMHOLE and WP:WPSPAM. /wangi 10:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks wangi

• It's of one of the Big Brother contestants, and therefore pretty relevant. It's also entirely devoid of nudity. When people were linking to the HMV site where you could buy Lea's porn video that seemed to be fair game. I'm certainly not involved in any referring, if it's not "public interest" then fair enough... I have a lot more concerns about the fair use status of the many screenshots which have actually been uploaded and displayed on the BB pages. But no matter, I'll shout you a pint in Deacon Brodies during the festival and we'll hammer it out... Deizio talk 22:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] self promotion

on your user page you link to your ownb pbase page and http://www.portobello-photos.co.uk/

Is self promotion not against wiki guidelines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stupidcupid (talk • contribs) 2006-07-20 09:57:07

No, see WP:USER:

"and also a way of helping other editors to understand with whom they're working.

Some people add a little information about themselves as well, possibly including contact information (email, instant messaging, etc), a photograph, their real name, their location, information about their areas of expertise and interest, likes and dislikes, homepages, and so forth. If you are concerned with privacy, you may not want to emulate this."

Thanks/wangi 09:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

And notice i'm offering to release photographs I have taken under an open licence if others think they'd be useful - that's helping Wikipedia, don't you think? /wangi 09:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

so the link to the site selling online prints is your homepage? Stupidcupid 12:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes (one of them - http://www.leekindness.com/ is another if you're interested), and your point is? This is a userpage. Remember you mentioned "crusade" and "agenda" in the past, you know what this looks like... /wangi 12:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does look a little that i can see. However i will say one thing, you take a damn good photograph. Stupidcupid 15:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cross-namespace redirects

You are receiving this message because you previously voiced your opinion on a Redirects for deletion of a cross-namespace redirect that was originally deleted but then went to Deletion review and was then relisted at RFD. This is a courtesy notice so you are aware that the issue is being discussed again and is not an endorsement of any position. --Cyde↔Weys 13:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accidental deletion of your comment

Sorry, I don't know how I managed that. Not Edit Conflict cos too far apart. I assure you that it was an accident. I have now restored it. Thanks for pointing that out and allowing me to rectify it. --Mais oui! 13:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Mmmm... yes... I know, but (un?)fortunately the Tour de France is just too flippin exciting this year (yesterday's stage was an absolute belter), and I just can't wait till the repeat this evening. But maybe I ought not to wikipede and watch Eurosport at the same time :) --Mais oui! 13:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I just spent all of lunch fitting two new tyres to my bike... bloody glass every bloody where... grummble. The old tyres had so many punctures the glass was finding it's way in through the previous holes! These should stop that! /wangi 13:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edits to Allan Wilson (MSP) / Allan Wilson (Scottish politician)

I can see your reasoning behind moving (redirecting) Allan Wilson (MSP) to Allan Wilson (Scottish politician) and all the associated edits to links pointing to these pages. However, the results are somewhat misleading and untrue, especially to one who might not be familiar with Scottish politics. Anyone can be a "Scottish politician". A Scottish politician is NOT necessarily an MSP. There should be an active catagory for both. Allan Wilson "MSP" is currently a sitting MSP (Member Scottish Parliament) as well as a Deputy Cabinet Minister (Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning). There is a difference between simply being a "Scottish politician" and a sitting MSP. Likewise, one can be a sitting MSP but NOT be a Cabinet Minister. I don't know quite how this should be handled but I would think keeping BOTH catagories would be appropriate. Perhaps you would like to re-evaluate these changes in that light. Allan Wilson MSP 13:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The part in brackets is used to disambiguate the page from other Allan Wilsons (see WP:DAB for disambiguation and WP:NAMEPEOPLE for naming conventions). If you were the only notable Allan Wilson in the world your article would be at Allan Wilson, without any disambiguation required. The bit in brackets is not intended to list honorifics, titles etc... "Scottish politician" is a much more accurate disambiguation - it's a stable description. If you have a browse through Category:Members of the Scottish Parliament and Category:Scottish politicians you'll notice it's the norm (although, yeah there are a few "(MSP)"s too).

Does that make sense? Let me know if you've any further questions, /wangi 14:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Wangi, Allan does have a point about the categorisation system for Scottish politicians (see Category:Scottish politicians). If you have a look at Category:Political office-holders in Scotland you will see that there is not (yet) a cat for Scottish Ministers and Depute Ministers. I dare say that we were meaning to get round to it (hrmmm... ), eventually, but in our defence Allan: "Rome was not built in a day". (Am I meant to address "Allan" as "sir" cos he is a high heid yin?) --Mais oui! 14:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Wangi, You are of course quite right. I can find no argument against your logic. (Allan Wilson MSP is not likely to always be an "MSP") But, as you say, there are others in the categories you mention, with the tag "MSP". All I am saying is it would be "Appropriate" (nice) if every one abided by the same rules (Logic). We look forward to the additions of new categories for Scottish Ministers and Deputy Ministers as suggested by Mais oui!. Thank you for your help and explanation.

Allan Wilson MSP 15:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I may be wrong. Is Category:Members of the Scottish Executive an appropriate cat for both Minsters plus their deputes? --Mais oui! 16:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Mais oui!, You are not wrong in your thinking, the "Scottish Executive" is the "Government" and is in effect the Minsters AND their Deputes (plus all the supporting activities and functions). Therefore, Minsters including their Deputes would be quite appropriate within Category:Members of the Scottish Executive. (I know it is confusing which is why I brought up the point in the first place) Like, there is "The Scottish Executive", then within that there is "Members of the Scottish Executive" (which are the Minsters and their Deputes). If you are still confused, not to worry, just let me know and I will try and clear it up a bit more.

I thank you for looking at this.

Allan Wilson MSP 17:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Spelling

Lol, I like the way you mis-spelt my name! :P I just think they are weird mistakes for an apparent "Deputy Minister" to make - spelling Deputy as Depute. Jm2p... — Gary Kirk | ^talk! 10:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pages listed on Categories for deletion

Discussion on CFD - proposal to merge all subcats of Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies up into the main cat. Relevant categories which would be deleted are:

• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Aberdeen constituencies
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Dundee constituencies
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Edinburgh constituencies
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Fife constituencies
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Glasgow constituencies
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Highland constituencies
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Orkney and Shetland
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Paisley constituencies
• Cat:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Stirling constituencies

I think that this is a rather important discussion for editors interested in Scotland-related articles, especially Scottish politics and Scottish biographical articles (particularly local history). Please have a read and ponder, and contribute to the debate if you like. Thanks. --Mais oui! 17:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It would also be relevant in this context to consider the discussions in the parent category for the UK parliament: Category talk:British MPs. I find it regrettable that Mais oui! has engaged in a restructuring of that category without entering into the discussions there. --BrownHairedGirl 17:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Cue Victor Meldrew impersonation: I don't believe it! Someone else has now stepped in as proposer at that supposedly withdrawn nomination. No rationale for deletion has been provided by the new proposer.

It is highly discriminatory to propose deletion of only the Scottish cats, when they correspond exactly to 6 other Irish and English cats. The whole process has become a farce, and a horrific, unintelligible mess. What is the best course of action to take, because I feel that the people interested in Scottish politics and biography are getting the shitty end of an ugly big stick here, while the Irish and English editors get to keep their cats (which I also created in the case of Ireland). Advice please. This is actually the most disgraceful CFD I have ever seen. --Mais oui! 20:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Good for you. Someone has seen the light. This is most disgraceful. This represents a typical example of an "English" attempt to completely ELIMINATE "Scottish Politics". One can only hope for "Common Sense" to prevail.

Allan Wilson MSP 16:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huddersfield

Hi! Re the Huddersfield Article reverts, please note No vandalism warning was issued. I am currently trolling with VP. VP was simply used as a quick method to roll back the edit and allow me to continue my vandal patrol. The notables section on That article is a bit sensitive at the moment as it is getting quite a few unrequired entries. Fot example the member of parliament near the to of the list, he's not particularly special but other MPs from the town are, though not listed. However, please take note of the last entry on User_talk:BlueValour. Richard Harvey 21:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

Help at AFD and Talk:AFD urgently requested.. I have used up my 3 reverts. Zargulon 16:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to go revert-crazy on the article, but I do think we need to get this resolved. I've added my 2p worth on Talk:AFD. Thanks/wangi 16:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All Free Dictionaries

Regarding [1]:
Perhaps you don't realize that, long before the term articles for deletion was created (back when it was "votes for deletion") and long before disambiguation pages for most three-letter abbreviations were created, AFD was a redirect to All Free Dictionaries project, see [2]. Now why would somebody do that? —freak(talk) 18:33, Jul. 25, 2006 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:AFD#April Fool's Day /wangi 19:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thank you for fixing the references at the Wyandotte Caves/Temp article for me! Thank you also for your recomendation as to what to do with the redundant article. ONUnicorn 16:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments from User:Allan Wilson MSP

I'm not going to respond to above "comments". The previous discussion (a couple of sections above) was in good faith, well explained and all edits were done to improve the encyclopedia. I've hardly ever edited political articles, and I don't great deal of interest in the matter... Especially so when talked to like this. Thanks/wangi 13:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland West Airport Knock

Can I ask you not to remove the WAD template as it's a valid source for most of the airports on Wikipedia. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Association of European Airlines

Its quite an important organisation for European Airlines. Most airlines are members. I will add the category. Maltesedog 14:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

According to the guidlines "Creating a category is as simple as adding a link to a category that doesn't yet exist. For instance, to create the "fluffy creatures" category, you would edit an article and enter Category:Fluffy creatures the same way as adding it to any other category. The Category:Fluffy creatures will automatically be created when the edit is saved."

This is what I did! Maltesedog 14:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

You need to follow the red link and create the category page too. For example look at the source of Category:Airlines of the United Kingdom. /wangi 14:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watts and Clary

Hi, I saw your vote change at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wade Watts. Would you be interested in writing about Rev. Watts and his dealings with the KKK? In particular, there's his relationship with a state KKK leader named Johnny Lee Clary.

Somebody, apparently Clary himself, tried to start an article about John Clary's life in the KKK and how he turned away from it (mostly becouse of Rev. Watts). I'd like to work with you (or anybody!) on this. --Uncle Ed 14:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but not really in my area of interest or knowledge! Although I'll note it down to have a look at, at some point. Thanks/wangi 15:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Air Scotland image size

moved response to User talk:Dotonegroup#Uploaded photos /wangi 15:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello Wangi. Your ideas about non defined pixel sizes for thumbnails are leaning towards your personal preference. Wikipedia is not about one single persons preference. There are hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia articles with defined thumbnail pixel dimensions. You will grow old trying to Police them all.

I prefer to use my comprehension of what "in general" means when applied to thumbnails. If this was a global Wikipedia problem then the capability to choose pixel dimensions would be removed. In the meantime until such a technical decision is made globally, please do not resize the thumbnail images to suit your viewing enjoyment on your PDA. Embrace the spirit of Wikipedia, and let the founders worry about technicalities. - Dotonegroup 15:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Quote: Wangi"Just on the airscotland article the (existing) link to the photos on the airliners.net site should really be listed and likewise for your own site... And folk really don't like it when people add links to their own sites! I know you're waiting for it... WP:EL is the guideline :)" /wangi 15:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. I am a little confused as to your reference to airliners.net. What requires listing? There are literally hundreds of links to airliners.net on Wikipedia. The aircraft link I have added is not my personal website, it is not about me. It is a professional unbiased database of UK / Ireland images of which users may upload their own pictures for free. I am not linking to anything that requires payment, nor has advertising. The link (as per airliners.net) is a positive addition to the relevant article. I have narrowed down the linking to land on the most relevant aspect of (in this case) a group of images. I have not linked to a homepage where users would have to navigate through gates or trickery to achieve the desired result.

I am having a degree of difficulty with your persistence in very minor areas. This is not vandalism, nor misguided linking. I can appreciate you noticing things, that is the spirit of Wikipedia. I am not on a personal crusade to advertise myself, rather I am spending countless hours augmenting articles that have little or no images. Wikipedia is not about drawing a line in the sand... it is about exploring both sides with respect. Slainte. Dotonegroup 16:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy and guidelines have been built up as a result of many hours of discussion and reflect best practise - i'm only giving you a pointer to them, i'm not going on a crusade and reverting your changes etc. Think about it, adding content to Wikipedia really does help it (so well done on the images), but what does adding links to photo galleries of planes add? Wikipedia's an encylopedia, not a plane-spotters guide :)

It's considered poor form to add links to your own site:

Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided:

"A website that you own or maintain, even if the guidelines above imply that it should be linked to. This is because of neutrality and point-of-view concerns; neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia, and a difficult one. If it is relevant and informative, mention it on the talk page and let other — neutral — Wikipedia editors decide whether to add the link."

Given Wikipedia's such a high traffic site it can direct a lot of traffic to a site, but Wikipedia's not a link farm - why link to photos of planes when there are already photos of the planes in the article, what does it add? And then consider why if your photos are linked why shouldn't JoeA's be linked, and JoeB's, and JoeC's... Link-a-rama!

Please have another read of WP:EL, WP:IUP & WP:CAPTION to see where i'm coming from. This isn't just my personal opinion - it's agreed guidelines. And I happen to agree with them, and they help us toward higher quality articles which are more consistent.

I'll say it again - thanks for the great photos... but maybe take on board some of my comments: lose the copyright tag on the image itself, cut down on the over-technical caption, honour a user's image size preferences, and let the images stand by themself — don't spam a link to your site in the articles too. Thanks/wangi 16:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You quoted "It's considered poor form to add links to your own site:" Yet this I find on your Wikipedia page. ????

• http://www.pbase.com/wangi My photos @ PBase
• http://www.portobello-photos.co.uk Portobello Photos

I presume via some detective work that you are Lee? Thanks for the e-mail, small World indeed.

I shall retire having already enacted upon some of your sage advice, namely the resizing of thumbs. Although a link to photographs of absolute relevance I do not feel is spam.

I presume from your additional banter back and forth that you bear issue with an external link to a website (whether it is of relevance or not) due to the potential for Joe A, B, C etc. This I can comprehend, but how many is too much? Perhaps you could spend the next 3 weeks deleting the hundreds of references to airliners.net. If I am in violation, so are they.... 100 times over. Just go to airlines and start at the letter A.

I have deleted the copyright (C) notation from the underwire and it won't appear on future images. I can rebrand my image licences to attribution, the small underwire will be sufficient even although it is easily chopped.

I also presume that at least you (status quo?) do not have a problem with a direct link to a website in the "user page" portion of Wikipedia? This tactic I actually avoided, not wishing to be tarred with the immature spam tag. Perhaps we have differing opinions as to the definition of "spamming a link to your site."

I appreciate your good intentions. Observations and comprehensions of Wikipedia rules is a two way street. That delete button works from underneath the desk as well as on top.

Slainte. Dotonegroup 17:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

On your userpage it's no problem at all, actually the point of the page is to give background about yourself etc... Guess what there's even a WP page about that! WP:USER, I just know that though because it came up before. Interestingly, but not widely known, the links on a userpage (and I presume talk pages too) and tagged with "rel=nofollow" so they don't add to rankings in search engines and the like. So, no problem at all adding links to *one.com on your userpage!

To be honest I'm not too bothered myself re the branding / copyright tag on the images - it's just from experience I know people will remove it, and where the licence allows it (as the one you picked does) people will also take your photos and use them elsewhere - most likely is someone will transfer them to Wikimedia Commons to use on other language Wikipedias! So, it's worth considering uploading them straight there.

Where an article already has photos relevant to it, there is little utility in adding links to galleries... I don't like those airliners links, and when I come across articles with them I remove them. I think i'll probably bring it up the SPAM WikiProject and the Airlines WikiProject

Have a good one /L/wangi 18:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

OK Lee, today I learned something. Thank you for your intelligent debating skills, you never lost your cool. I have done what I can to eliminate any possiblity of being tarred with the "your spamming" brush. The underwire is common practice and is very discrete with monotone characters. I genuinely want to help make Wikipedia a better place, if in the process I trip over some weeds.... I'll at least know what to watch out for next time.

Slainte.

Martin.

Dotonegroup 19:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Hi, random question: how would you pronounce your username? Lady BlahDeBlah 19:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Lets see... Eh, "wang-ee" or "wahngy", something like that! :) /wangi 21:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Democracy (disambiguation)

Thanks for working with me and others on this article. I have to say I'm flabbergasted at BruceHallman's repeating of the same rejected viewpoints, as if repeating them will make the viewpoints gain more currency. He keeps asking me the same questions I've already answered over and over again, and it's like it doesn't matter if his position is now obviously incorrect or not, he just seems to be pursuing this to a pyrrhic victory to achieve something he's not telling us about. I honestly don't want to take this to a next step, like an RFC regarding him, but it's starting to look like this will be necessary. Do you have any thoughts on how we might proceed? Thanks. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 22:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

For now it's a beer, and then bed... Turn-off and look at it again tomorrow some point. Hopefully Bruce will re-read and take it in, or maybe other people will leave their view too. Thanks/wangi 22:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I've moved on for now. Got other things to do at any rate. Cheers! — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 23:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heads up

Thank you. I had seen both nominations, and come to exactly the same conclusion as you: let others deal with it. The Orcadian Wikipedians' notice board probably ought to be run by Mfd too, but I am not going to nominate it, at least not at present. --Mais oui! 08:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Summaries

Hi, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have written that - and if I'd given it any thought I wouldn't have done. I looked at the history and the pair of edits that were both reverts made me look like some sort of vandal - I wanted to refer to both in the sumary to show that I wasn't. Thanks for contacting me. Lo2u ^{(T • C)}

[edit] Re: pBase galleries

Okay, I'm convinced. Thanks for stepping in. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 21:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Please comment

Hi wangi. Are you able to comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Why_not_link.3F? It relates to finding an explanation of the guideline guiding your revert of my edit a week or so ago. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Scott, I'm away from home just now - will give it a look one i'm home (say tuesday or wednesday). Thanks/wangi 17:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou. --Scott Davis ^Talk 00:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Murray page

Hi wangi - thought you should know that someone is breaching the agreement we decided upon regarding external links. The user is adding an 'activeboard' website and does not seem to care about our previos talk page discussions.

Sorry if this is not the correct way to contact you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark7144 (talk • contribs) 2006-08-05T23:41:55

(Moved to end of page) Thanks for reaching out to our friend User:86.17.154.196. Hopefully he/she will come on board. I'm 90% sure that this is a contributor to the site (a message board, as you know) rather than the person who runs the site. The latter has assured me that he know nothing about this on a number of occasions, and has a very different style of communicating. RobbieC 10:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for moving that comment - I hadn't noticed it! I'll keep an eye on the AM article. Thanks/wangi 11:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation on Democracy (disambiguation)

Since Hallman is continuing to denigrate the consensus view, and has a record of reverting to the non-consensus view, mediation is apparently the next step, so that a third party can come in and help us all figure out what we need to do to proceed. If not mediation, then what? At any rate, thanks for your input for the case. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother doing a thing - let Bruce continue to leave comments on the talk page and if he feels it neccessary to take it to mediation then fair enough. But we shouldn't be the ones instigating it. Consensus has been clearly reached and people have tried to listen to his concerns. However he has yet to put forward those concerns in a clear and concise manner. Thanks/wangi 23:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CheckUser time?

This denial may be the beginning of the end for our friend. I will be keeping a very close eye indeed on User:Orkadian too. An application to CU will be made in due course, for all 15 IP addresses, the new sockpuppet account, and all new ones discovered. Many of the IP edits, and a fair few of the Mallimak ones, are straightforward vandalism. --Mais oui! 11:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd just keep an eye on it... If the IP accounts are used to make plainly unconstrutive and disruptive edits then they should be suitably warned, perhaps leading to a ban if the activity continues. If the user account(s) and IP accounts are used in tandem to increase support for a given viewpoint or evaid 3RR then you've got a case for a checkuser. Thanks/wangi 12:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

see also this reply /wangi 00:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Thank you very much, was starting to think no one was going to help me out here..

It seems we both were doing almost exactly the same thing at exactly the same time, not much difference at all. You got in seconds before me so a conflict arose, no problem, yours almost exactly matches what I had done (except for the bullets which I didn't know how to do, they look better).

Only question I have is why you deleted the links to Scottish Executive and Scottish Parliament. I had only put them in because they were on the page of another minister, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_for_Justice) and seemed relevant, no big deal, just curious. There isn't many pages on Ministers yet so not much to go by.

By the way, sorry we got off on the wrong foot.

I have a short fuse with a diplomacy rating of zero when it comes to protecting my image and what is being said about me. When the roof seemed to fall in immediately after registering, I just reacted. I am sorry about that.

Regarding the work of continuing to refine the content of this the subject page, I have some knowledge which would assist in the linking of subject matter on the page to their associated articles. There are quite a few of them. Yep, I know the rules only too well but I hope you don't mind if I just help out a bit.

Allan Wilson MSP 15:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

reply /wangi 15:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flyglobespan to Boston

While you are right in saying the route has yet to be announced on the GSM website tthere has been a news story from the Travel Trade Gazette which can be viewed with subscription and found here Flyglobespan Story Adamcobb 15:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Portal:Orkney

A Portal created recently by Mallimak (talk · contribs) - the Orkney Portal - has been nominated for deletion. If you wish to take part in the discussion please contribute at:

• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Portal:Orkney

Thanks. --Mais oui! 08:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for commenting. You did not say anything about your thoughts on the notice board issue though. --Mais oui! 12:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Wikinorthernireland

This edit by an IP address looks very much like the work of User:Wikinorthernireland. Thanks. --Mais oui! 12:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Mais oui! vs. User:Mallimak

Dear Wangi, I would just like to make it clear to you, that I never started this altercation with Mais oui! I just wanted to contribute articles about Orkney, a place I know a lot about. Instead, I have found my articles being altered to represent a POV (a POV I do not wish to be inadvertently contributing to). You will surely understand that I do not want my efforts to be twisted to serve someone else’s agenda. Now the situation has escalated to the proposed destruction of pages am I working hard on to create. A suggestion has been made as to how to resolve this issue, namely: that if Mais oui! will agree not to edit any article originated by me, in return I will agree not to edit any article originated by Mais oui! I think this would be a fair solution. I just want to get on contributing articles on Orkney unmolested. Regards, Mallimak 18:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

reply Thanks/wangi 20:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I left this message here because yours is one of the user pages where Mais oui! has been slagging me off (see e.g. "CheckUser time?" above) and I wanted to put my side of the story. As regards WP:OWN, it is not a matter of "owning" articles, it is a matter of motivation to write them in the first place. What incentive is there to contribute an article, if you can be certain that no sooner it is up, it is going to be distorted or vandalised by a user who is tracking your every move. In this situation, would you bother making contributions to Wikipedia? Mallimak 21:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Mallimak

Sorry about this, because I am sure that you are "sick to the back teeth" of it too, but you have been "mentioned in despatches":

• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Harassment_by_Mais_oui.21

and please also see:

• Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Mallimak

--Mais oui! 01:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sorry 'bout that: I keep thinking that you are an Admin. --Mais oui! 09:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poland

Hi there. Does your comment at Talk:Poland mean that we could upload pics from your web-page to wikipedia? I'm sure I could find lots of articles for them, especially those related to Warsaw. //Halibutt 01:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

If you let me know which photos I'll upload them to commons so they can be used here (and on other language versions). Thanks/wangi 08:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

As to your pics, I thought about the following pics. I think I could use them in some articles, some of them already exist, others are pending tasks.

• [3] (Church of the Holy Cross, Świętokrzyska Street, perhaps even Warsaw Uprising as this monument is one of the striking symbols of the 1944 destruction.
• [4] Castle Square or Royal Castle, Warsaw articles
• [5] St. Anne's Church, Warsaw, Świętokrzyski Bridge, Mariensztat
• [6] Stadion Dziesięciolecia
• [7] Warszawa Centralna
• [8] Warecka, Śródmieście, Palace of Culture and Science articles. //Halibutt 09:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll add them over the weekend — I'll let you know when they're uploaded! Thanks/wangi 15:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Now added:

Palace of Culture and Science shadow, Warsaw	Warszawa Centralna	Stadion Dziesieciolecia, Warsawa	Castle Square, Warsaw
Towards Swietokrzyski Bridge, Warsaw	Church of the Holy Cross, Warsaw

Let me know if there're any more you'd like to use from my collection. It was a pleasure to visit your city, give me a shout if you've ever in mine! Thanks/wangi 23:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Insufficient Context

Been away a few days battling spam on Allan's resources & too busy fighting the Alligators to drain the swamp.

I have a quick question (or two).

First one, regarding Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning could you advise me in simple terms what needs to be done to satisfy the condition to get the "Insufficient Context" template removed from the top of the page? Can't see where much more can be said and it seems in line with what is on Minister for Justice which does not display the template. The only other thing on her page seems to be the right hand column which appears to be a template "PoliticsScotland". This template would also suit Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning. What are your thoughts on that?

The second question relates to missing details on Allan Wilson (MSP). This was brought about by the deletion of a line which used the words "well-known" and "fraternity". I worked out a solution to this, and though it is slightly longer than the deleted original line, user:ESkog reported to me by email he thinks it is ok and that I can add it myself. Before I do that, for obvious reasons, it would be better if someone else done it. I have outlined the problem and why it is a problem along with the proposed solution including the response by user:ESkog on my talk page (which is a bit lengthy as everything I do seems to turn out to be, being a technical author in my last life, I am "Programmed" to go into great amounts of detail)

If you could have a look and give me your thoughts before I go so far as to add it. I have put in all the required citations.

Allan Wilson MSP 14:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll add that edit for you somepoint during the weekend - I think I removed it in the first place!

I guess the "Insufficient Context" is basically used to tag articles that assume a certain level of knowledge about the subject, such that the article doesn't explain everything. I don't have time to look at it just now, but I'll give it a look at the weekend and maybe make some edits. One thing I remember from the article the last time I read it is the inclusion of a very long list of areas the minister is resposible for - this is probably going into too much detail? Anyway, I'll give it a look. Thanks/wangi 15:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for responding. I've moved a lot. I have a had a lot more edits before I left Croatia. I forget the IP. I had a User there and there's nothing different from there. BTW, if you wanna see my user, you're too late. Unless you want me to make it again, although my thousands of edits would still not be there, and I'd have to do it in Hrvatski (That Croatian in Croatian). Thank you, I'll nominate myself, without a doubt. I'm going to ask kids and my sister's friends on Wikipedia. Lindsay1980 23:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

You're now an admin. Have fun with the new tools in making this a better place, but of course, don't give up writing and improving articles, our lifeblood. Be conservative with the admin tools, especially at first and re-read the policies before taking action. As you get used to them, help clear out some of the backlogs.

Again, congratulations, and have fun! BCorr|Брайен 23:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

And congratulations from me! Use your tools wisely! --physicq210 00:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Many congratulations, Wangi! Good luck as an administrator, I'm sure you will do well. And for a laugh, I got this note after my RfA, and it cracked me up. Enjoy! -- Natalya 00:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats from here too! Viridae^Talk 00:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Enjoy your brand spanking-new mop! Baseball,Baby! ^{balls•strikes} 00:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian - Talk 01:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! Good luck and have fun! Wikipediarules2221 03:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Good luck with your mop and bucket. --Terence Ong _{(Chat | Contribs)} 04:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations from me too! I am delighted that you are an admin now. Best of luck for the future as well! --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 04:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Kitty got her claws. And by that I mean; congratulations with your admin gear. Use it wisely, and I'm sure you will :D. —♦♦ SʘʘTHING^(Я) 05:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Good work and try to enjoy vandals. :) NCurse Image:Edu science.png _work 07:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Crongratulations from the land of ice and sonw (but it's all melted now). Just think of all the new and interesting people you will get to meet. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on the successful RfA. Enjoy it Adamcobb 15:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Rather you than me! Congrats. --Mais oui! 17:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Job 1 - Ban Mais oui! ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.58.94 (talk • contribs) 2006-08-20T20:00:49

Oh joy...

Thanks for the support everyone/wangi 19:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post RFA Commentary

Hello there, just to let you know these are my standards in what I used to grade your RFA for the purpose of making Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. User:Masssiveego/admin

I'm very thankful that you post on the Village pump, and do very good work with images.

This is my point of view, you are highly creative, Possibly an ESTP. Correct me if I'm wrong. Merging math and art to serve peoples needs on paper. People are much more then numbers and values, they are feelings and moods that change with time.

In my opinion purpose and design sometimes create an ideal that destroys the creation it was intended for. From this ideal error, I believe the world view that sometimes I must change the world to make the ideal happen all the time. I believe a 3r mistake here may be related to this worldview.

[edit] Understands the workings of Wikipedia, no more then 2 policy errors.

Take the time to both smell the roses, and keep things organized with a clear mind. see Sound of music or Anne Frank

I've noticed two policy errors.

Error 1.

"3RR on BB You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. This block will expire in twelve hours. To contest this block, add --unblock- to your talk page or e-mail me. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)"

When people get distracted sometimes we forget a few things.

Error 2.

Image Tagging Image:Sydney_Airport_(2004)_By_Air.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Sydney_Airport_(2004)_By_Air.jpg. The image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use --GFDL-- to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the image qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as --fairusein|article name-- or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. -- Carnildo 10:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

reply /wangi 11:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flexible to variation

Other things code-share

reference

I don't undestand your statement "code shares really don't belong anywhere". Are you saying airlines don't use code-share anymore? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.234.78.52 (talk • contribs) 2006-02-06 10:55:12.

reply

But however, please note that Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. Code-sharing is very relevant, especially for International trans-oceanic flights. That is how many airlines extend their scope of operations around the world, to East Asia for example. Why not list code-sharing only for international flights? We can remove any domestic ones. International flight arrangement are stable, and the information is of interest. 69.234.78.52 11:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Other notes..

22:10, 2 February 2006 (hist) (diff) m Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy (rv, oh please - WP:SPP and WP:SEMI are enough shortcuts, we do NOT need a daft WP:GWB!)

12:09, 28 December 2005 (hist) (diff) Talk:Scotland (?The harp - come on guys, play fair with my section title)

09:55, 16 November 2005 (hist) (diff) Scotland (?External links - No, still too many!)

I feel some will only drain at your energy on Wikipedia. As people are just not meeting policy often.

I don't like putting people in postitions they might not be able to handle which leads to wikistress. Please try to keep in mind Wikipedia is international, just about anybody can post here. I can recommand not taking things too personally, and keeping the objectivity and priorities in order to manage your possible wikistress. I do hope you don't become another "the not here" admin by being so burnt out from peoples irrations. --Masssiveego 05:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I GIVE UP!

I have tried to contribute articles on topics about which I have knowledge, such as Orkney, but the articles have been subjected to constant destructive editing, and I have been subjected to repeated harassment, mainly by Mais oui!, that I see no point in continuing.

I have now joined the ever-growing category of disillusioned Wikipedians. Mallimak 01:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

OK this is the first time I've done this so sorry if I do anything wrong but The Technology Barnstar

		The Technology Barnstar
		For your work to improve and add photography to aviation related articles I award you this barnstar! Adamcobb 17:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Jesters

I have speedy deleted this article as a blatant copyright infringement of the http://www.destinationdoowop.com/jesters.htm page (CSD:A8). Thanks/wangi 21:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Please restore, per the article's talk page!--Firsfron of Ronchester 21:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing. Nice save. :) --Firsfron of Ronchester 21:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Andy Murray

Hi wangi - someone keeps adding the AMMB site to the external links section and even removed MW from it. I don't believe an agreement as been made over this yet. Would you be kind enough to give him a warning or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark7144 (talk • contribs) 2006-08-22T12:24:57

I've added a welcome & a note on the issue to their talk page. Thanks/wangi 11:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portlethen Moss

glad you enjoyed the portlethen moss article. i dont have a grid ref for the chapel but its near the whinward plantation on a knoll north of muchalls castle. and yes im working on the causey mounth article :) cheers Anlace 16:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Scotland infobox

Template:Scotland infobox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Durin 18:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You deleted my user page!

I'm sorry if you're confused, but I put the speedy delete tag on my page as a joke, and you actually deleted it, lol. --Real tymer 21:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

That's what happens when you ask! Anyway, i've now subst' the template to remove the bits that get admin's attention... However I'd recommend removing it anyway... Thanks/wangi 21:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Aviation

Wangi- I read your mail and I saw that you wanted me to at least broaden my horizons about the Aviation artile. I will hereby advance to former civil and naval as well as current naval to my gallery creation. If you get this, feel free to drop a line. -Jeffreythane —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreythane (talk • contribs) 2006-08-27T15:52:46

reply /wangi 14:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

wangi- i c u have deleted the gallery in the article aviation and thanks 4 that--woulda added:

nd that would be pretty pathetic...... lol catch u later also i can kinda c that u r an aviation fan? -JeffreythaneJeffreythane 15:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

A nice photo, but probably more suitable for the aerial warfare article, since the aviation article already has a good Lockheed SR-71 photo? Thanks/wangi 15:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Blue Grass Airport, USGS Urban Ortho, approx crash site.jpg

Image:Blue Grass Airport, USGS Urban Ortho, approx crash site.jpg looks very nice except that several sources say it never made it off the ground crashing into trees just beyond the end of the runway. CBS News Photo 1 shows crash scene with runway in foreground. WSBTV shows a series of pictures that look like the cluster of buildings just off the runway end, maybe 1200 feet. It might be better to place the crash location near that cluster of buildings. See also news.yahoo.com image slide show. Dual Freq 20:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Kentucky-stub

71.2.16.16 is continuing to make changes to this stub without any discussion whatsoever. I would prefer not to jump to blocking this user, but if this user can somehow be talked to, I would appreciate it. Or, if blocking would be the right course, I would appreciate that too. Thanks! Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comair crash

The proper numbering of the runways:

8/26 and  26/08  or  runway  8  and runway 26 

4/22 and  22/04  or  runway   4  and runway 22  

Such are official AIRFIELD markings in complianmce with FAA.

Should the multi runways be parallel the modifying letters "R" and "L" will be added to corresponding runway numbers.

FAA Airport Advisory regulations.

DO NOT correect what you are alleging REDUNDANT numbers if you do not understand AIRPORT safety operation.

Altough the AIRPORT has only two (2) runways in reality from the operational point there are 4 runways depending on weather (wind) conditions.

The runways therefore are for runway 8/26 there are two (2) runways one knowm as 8 and other as 26 for runway 4/22 there are two (2) runways one runway 4 and one 22.

For people in AIRPORT operations that is a clear and only numbering system, for laiks it doesn't mean a crap!

If you do not understand AIRPORT markings stay a way from any corrections and leave it to peope who understand the international Airfield markings!

DO NOT VANDALIZE the articles.

I am AIRFIELD safety officer certified by FAA and runway markings MUST be correct.

Pleease REVERSE runway markings as I made a proper correction.

The aircraft took of runway 26 not runway 8/26 and suppose to take off runway 22 not runway 4/22. Such wrongful description might mislead i.e. pilot and could result in loss of life. The marking of Air field even in WikiPedia MUST be correponding to official airfield FAA markings.

Flt Plan

Air Nav

Listen to VIDEO and you might attempt to understand the difference! [Comair crash video] Do NOT UNDERSTAND DO NOT CORRECT!

1. 1. 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.251.246 (talk • contribs) 2006-08-28T11:39:21

[edit] Comair aircraft type

In response to your comment: Please stop changing the aircraft type - see the talk page and the references. Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Comair Flight 5191. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. /wangi 10:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop being so pigheaded about the issue it WAS a 200. A bunch of photos of the aircraft in question N431CA to prove the point http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0516815/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0471147/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0803068/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0889583/L/

Plus the New york times and a statement from Delta itself saying it was a 200 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/27/us/27cnd-crash.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

So you've now got the NY times, Delta itself, the fact that it was made 6 years after production switched from the 100 to the 200, the most reputable aviation website (airliners.net) and a bunch of photos all listing it as a 200. What more do you want?? accept it was a 200 and move on and i will now have to ask you to Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Comair Flight 5191. It is considered vandalism.144.133.88.7 10:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Please to civil. There is obvious confusion involved over exactly what aircraft type was involved - with a number of sources (including Comair themself) saying it was a 100, and other sources saying it was a 200. Until we know for sure which it was it's not productive to change the article (especially without an edit summary). Thanks/wangi 10:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

'It is NOT clear as of this time what was a type of the COMAIR aircraft:

Some reports referred to CRJ-100 others to CRJ-200, it is however more likely that it could be CRJ-200.

[Bombardier]

The first Bombardier CRJ to enter service was the 50-seat CRJ100 with Lufthansa CityLine in November 1992. The CRJ100 was superseded by the CRJ200 which utilizes the same airframe but offers an upgraded engine. A variant of this aircraft called the CRJ440, limited to 44 seats, was certified in October 2001 and entered service with Northwest in January 2002. With the tremendous success of the CRJ200 airlines asked for a larger capacity CRJ that would allow them to grow their traditional markets while offering lower seat-mile costs. In collaboration with its customers Bombardier developed several new members of the CRJ family; the CRJ700, CRJ705 and CRJ900 that featured a complete re-design of all of the structure and systems. In addition, an all-new wing was developed that increases the cruise speed of these aircraft while offering excellent airfield characteristics. These aircraft also feature an all new interior cabin that offers increased room for the passenger, enabled by a lowering the floor by 1” (2.54 cm) and redesigning the aircraft frames of the original CRJ200, offering more headroom and a wider cabin. The seating and bins were completely redesigned to allow more passenger space and increased bin stowage.

CRJ-100 The CRJ-100 is the original 50-seat version.

CRJ-200 Similar to CRJ-100, but with improved engines, General Electric CF34-3B1. 50 passenger seats, 2 pilot seats, 1 pilot observer seat (jumpseat) and 1 flight attendant jumpseat.

COMMENT: It is hard to call General Electric Engines an improvement. Improvement should be considered should PRATT - WHITNEY [Pratt-Whitney] or ROLLS ROYCE engines be used, but never with very cheap and unreliable GE turbines.

The normal airline configuration is 2+2 seating in rows 1 through 12, and 2+0 in row 13, with the lavatory compartment taking up the aft-right portion of the cabin. Pinnacle Airlines (as Northwest Airlink), operates a 44-seat version with closets in the forward and aft areas of the passenger cabin. These modifications are designed to allow operations under their major airline contract "scope clause" which restricts major airlines' feeder carriers from operating equipment carrying 50 or more passengers, to guard against usurpation of Air Line Pilots Association & Allied Pilots Association pilots' union contract rights. Similarly, Comair's fleet of 40-seat CRJ-200s were purchased at a discounted price, to prevent Comair from purchasing the less expensive and smaller Embraer 135. The 50-seat versions of the aircraft also have the option to add a second flight attendant jumpseat at the rear of the cabin for a total of 50 passengers, 2 flight attendants, 2 pilots and 1 cockpit/pilot observer.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.251.246 (talk • contribs) 2006-08-28T12:14:45

[edit] User:IrfanFaiz

Hey thanks for sorting that. He also has two subpages you missed User:Irfanfaiz/Hurricane Fay (2008) and User:Irfanfaiz/2006 Atlantic hurricane season predictions which got the same treatment. However, those two subpages have no encyclopedic value so by WP:NOT and a related MFD they could be MFD'ed themselves (better would be db-author). Up to you if you want to bother hist-merging a couple of pointless subpages :) --Nilfanion (talk) 16:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Done those now - was no problem since there wasn't any (real) history to preserve on the target pages. Thanks/wangi 16:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My userpage.

Thanks for moving it, i copy paste everything from that page but it is easier to call an admin. --IrfanFaiz 22:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, is it an admin can change it for a user that changes his username without contacting a specific admin? --IrfanFaiz 22:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comair image

I sent him an e-mail with the following text: "That is N431CA, the plane that crashed in Kentucky today.

I am a "sysop" from Wikipedia - A large online encyclopedia at http://en.wikipedia.org

I would like to know if you are willing to allow your picture to be used in this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_Flight_5191 - under the GNU license: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU

I would like to use your photograph because it is a photograph of "the" aircraft that was destroyed.

Thank you,

Vic Man"

note: I meant GDFL, but hopefully he found that...

He said that he would let Wikipedia use the image.

You can contact him at stuart....@....com to double-check. Or i can change the licensing until he specifically licenses it to be used differently. WhisperToMe 01:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I've fired off an email just to confirm everything/wangi 11:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Comair aircraft type

I do not believe the edits are in good faith, hence the rvv edit summary. There is no need to assume good faith in the presence of evidence that indicates otherwise. 65.127.231.6 11:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

In addition, it is a bit disingenuous of you to take issue with me calling the edit vandalism, since you yourself had already issued a vandalism warning on the user's talk page for the exact same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:144.133.88.7&diff=72362180&oldid=69703582 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.127.231.6 (talk • contribs) 2006-08-29T12:19:58

CRJ-200 Comair Flight 5191, a CRJ-200 regional jet, crashed at 6:07 a.m. in a field less than mile from the runway, said Kathleen Bergen, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration. According to the Federal Aviation Administration, it would have been too short for the CRJ-200 jet. A fully loaded 50-seat Canadair Regional Jet requires about 4,000 feet of runway to get off the ground, and operating rules require at least 5,000 feet. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060827/ap_on_re_us/kentucky_crash_37 http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/stories/0828commain.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.251.246 (talk • contribs) 2006-08-29T13:42:54

Guys, talk to each other... Discuss on the article talk page... There are conflicting sources and it's not productive to revert (remember WP:3RR). Thanks/wangi 12:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comair photo

Okay - Do you know if he wishes to release it if it's copyrighted? WhisperToMe 21:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:KLEX Blue Grass Airport.jpg

I've uploaded the original image to the commons Image:KLEX Blue Grass Airport.jpg. I think the lines are wide enough on the current version of the Comair 5191 paths, but I'm no artist. Dual Freq 11:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I also saw some of the flak you took here and on the Talk page of Blue Grass airport pertaining to runway numbering. I'd like to thank you for creating the image and the annotations, regardless of the zeros. I personally don't think it matters and the page was greatly enhanced by your image. Thanks again. Dual Freq 01:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cat:Scottish celebrities

No, but it only had two members if I recall correctly, and I cannot think who on earth they were? I think one was a 19th century woman, and the other was a guy who was in the papers a lot, but just did not fit in any other cat. Normally in circumstances such as these it would be category vandalism, simply emptying a cat to discredit and delete it, but in this particular case of course it could be that appropriate "occupation" categories have since been created for those two people. I will have a quick look, although after my much-needed, if brief, Wikibreak I am burning to actually get on with substantive work.

Either way (vandalism or benign) the cat probably should be kept, because we will undoubtably have future cases of people who are notable, but just do not fit in to the occ cat system. Of course we could just delete it and recreate it if needed again?

Those Wikibreak things are flippin brilliant by the way! I must do it more often. I managed to do a good amount of work (real work), housework, paperwork, cooking, shopping, chilling-out, sitting for far too long in cafes and restaurants, reading magazines, chatting, walking, cycling ... you know, the kinds of things we Wikipedians tend to sacrifice. --Mais oui! 07:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heathrow Trivia

Thanks for your view on the Heathrow Trivia section I added today. However I think the section should be reinstated. It's hard to argue that it's not 'important' information if it will be of interest to people, and I think it's a genuinely interesting fact, easily verifiable (by looking at a map), and little know. Maybe, if it is left to stand, someone will read it who knows why the roads all begin with C, and they will add the information to Wikipedia.

The wiki guide on Trivia says: "This guideline does not suggest deletion of trivia sections. Instead, consider it a list of "facts pending integration" or "facts lacking sufficient context for integration". Seek to minimize it, but meanwhile leave it in place as a raw store of facts for both readers and editors to work with." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Youzoid (talk • contribs) 2006-09-01T12:51:03

reply /wangi 12:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

it's obviously not 'nonsense'. Yes, some of the roads, such as the inner ring road, don't begin with 'c' but the majority do, far beyond the realm of coincidence. It must have been a conscious planning decision at some point, and while you might not be interested in it, others might be. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=51.47176,-0.453486&spn=0.006483,0.015235&om=1

Youzoid —Preceding unsigned comment added by Youzoid (talk • contribs) 2006-09-01T14:06:25

[edit] My bad on the speedy delete

Whoops, yeah, definitely shoulda been a prod. Sorry 'bout that, sometimes I get confused between what I think the WP rules should be and what they actually are  ;) Thanks for the clarification! --Jaysweet 21:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, "non-notable" was the word I was looking for. Thanks again! --Jaysweet 21:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Ebegoun

You said: "Hi Yamala, I came across Ebegoun (talk · contribs) (and 70.171.100.200 (talk · contribs) I beleive) today after speedy deleting a mistagged image, only for it to be recreated quick smart along with article edit to put them back into the article. I have left a last-warning after readinf through the talk page history and your block, plus worked through their contributions looking for obvious mistagged images (WP:CSD#I7) and deleting them."

Thanks. That user is definitely having a hard time grasping appropriate image tags. If you noticed, the user demanded that I produce a replacement image for one he or she uploaded that was totally inappropriate. I'll try to keep an eye on the situation. --Yamla 22:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

You people are complete losers like who runs around and deletes pictures i mean you all need to like find something more constructive to do. And atleast this poor person is trying and i mean yall are like gossiping about how swiftly you deleted someone's picture that is really sad! you litte shi*s need to like go elsewhere and just leave the new and updated pictures these people are replacing your crap*y outdated ones. yall are like attacking this person. you need to get a life you little as*holes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scollura (talk • contribs) 2006-09-01T23:45:55

thanks scollura....wangi you posted that i find these pictures of fan sites, but as i specified with exact links, these photos i uploaded today were from the artists' official site, so please stop warning me because i can just create another account in 20 seconds flat because wikipedia has sad account/security measures...YOU ARE SO RUDE AND QUICK TO JUDGE....in the words of scolllura (on yamala's page) you are hoars! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebegoun (talk • contribs) 2006-09-01T23:53:46

[edit] Undeletion

Could you please undelete User:Danbarnesdavies/Userbadges; User:Danbarnesdavies/Userbadges/Comedy; User:Danbarnesdavies/Userbadges/Comedy/Badge Saxondale; User:Danbarnesdavies/Userbadges/Comedy/Badge Thick? Thanks // DBD 01:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Another admin deleted those 4, but no probs - restored. Thanks/wangi 01:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for you work - you probs noticed, my area was getting more than a little bit messy! // DBD 01:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warriors (book series) fan sites.

I was simply trying to assist in the breakdown of the Warriors (book series) page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Res2216firestar (talk • contribs) 2006-09-02T19:30:52

[edit] User:Westenra

I am surprised to find my User page deleted [9]; I thought a User page on Wikipedia is at the User's liberty. I did find time to look up WP:CSD but it looks like User Page criteria are separate from others which you have cited -- are you sure it's the right call? Btw, I have re-created the page (User talk:Westenra now exist) and I wish it wouldn't offend you. --Westenra 08:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It was a redirect to page that did not exist (your talk page), No1lakersfan tagged it for speedy deletion and I deleted it because it met the WP:CSD#R1 criteria. Typically you have information about yourself on the userpage, or nothing - it shouldn't really be a redirect to your talkpage. Thanks/wangi 09:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem has been officially proven. Chimps really can get somewhere on Wikipedia. With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you. (Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photo to the right.) alphaChimp laudare 01:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikia and the Orkney and Shetland independent wiki

Dear Wangi, Thank you for your suggestion. However, unless destructive contributors such as User:Mais oui! can be excluded, it would be pointless. Regarding my posting on the Orcadian Wikipedians page, what else can I do now that the Orcadian Wikipedians' notice board has been deleted? You may note, incidentally, that Mais oui! is now interfering in my correspondence with User:Abtract. Is there nothing you can do to stop him? I think the term is "gaming the system" - he is using this to harass me. Orkadian 12:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Quit the constant personal attacks Mallimak.

Wangi, please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Talk_page_abuse. --Mais oui! 12:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Wangi, it is absolutely 100% crystal clear that Orkadian is a sockpuppet of Mallimak. See this comment while you were on your Wikibreak, and have a look at both Mallimak's and Orkadian's edit history around that time. It is utterly, laughably transparent. --Mais oui! 13:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Self biography

I have no idea about this writing your own autobiography on Wikipedia business, but if I recall correctly you are up to speed on the issue. I think that you are not allowed to do it? Just though you may wish to see this:

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I don't see much wrong with it at a glance (needs Wikified and categorised though). --Mais oui! 17:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I've left comments on their talk page. My initial instinct is that he is not notable enough to warrant an article... So I've listed on AFD: Ian Fraser (journalist) (AfD discussion)

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[edit] Yelltome

I had a feeling just from the username that was the case, but thanks for the heads-up.--chris.lawson 00:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links on "Crazy"

Just wanted to let you know that I re-added two of the four links you removed from Crazy (Gnarls Barkley song), because those two were from the band's label and the band's official myspace, and thus do not contain copyright violations, but legitimate use of the lyrics and the video. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 10:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Unblock

Hi wangi, I forgot to give the autoblock number so you admins didn't know what I'm referring to sorry. Regards --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 17:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hightraffic

Why remove "hightraffic" templates? This is still of interest. --Liberlogos 23:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

reply /wangi 23:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Rtth (talk · contribs)

I noticed you gave this user a 24-hour block. You might want to look at Gumby558 (talk · contribs). Based on the now-deleted nonsense articles from each ID, sure looks like they're the same person. Fan-1967 18:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added a final warning, and will keep an eye on their contribs. Thanks/wangi 18:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] fine

Fine i'll stop. But it was funny and i wanted to put it somewhere. --Matwat22 22:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huddersfield

I feel that you will find a location map to Haddersfield is relevant to the article as you will note on the article there is a link between the towns, as per the talk page. Richard Harvey 22:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

No, a link to a map to Huddersfield is relevant on Huddersfield, a link of a map to Haddersfield on Haddersfield. The articles are sufficiently linked and the connection is already mentioned in the article. The link is not relevant, WP:EL. Thanks/wangi 22:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I would agree to that, if there was an actual article on Haddersfield, however I feel this is a relevant link, as per the information, until an article on Haddersfield exists. Richard Harvey 22:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Eh, see above? See the link on the article to Haddersfield, Jamaica? /wangi 22:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Err! OOps! You just got that edit in as I was coming back in to redo my bit above. I had forgot the link had been changed from what was on the page earlier. Cancel My last i will change things then climb back in my box for the night. Richard Harvey 22:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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