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Good article Walter Payton has been listed as one of the Everyday life good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
November 6, 2007 Good article nominee Listed

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[edit] Early discussion

I am unaware how to proceed with this, but I do think it is notable that Payton was supported for much of his career by a team that ranked very low offensively in nearly all categories. There's a famous photo in the Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio where Payton is receiving the ball from quarterback Bob Avelini, and is already surrounded by a wide ring of defenders. 68.66.15.67 06:44, 16 September 2005 (UTC)Matthew Klein

[edit] Possible Copyvio....but not too sure

It seems that quite a bit of text from this site http://www.kopete.org/walter-payton.html was used on the wikipedia page, or vice versa. I'm not familiar with the other site, does anyone know which was around first? 4.225.23.168 05:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Nope, it's a wikipedia mirror site --172.140.242.178 03:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed Good Article Status

This article is insufficiently referenced as so I declined it for good article status. joturner 04:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Internal Inconsistency

Reading the article, I was struck by the fact that it says both that Payton's strong leg muscles caused his idiosyncratic gait and that his gait was the result of a desire to avoid injury (with the gait in turn causing him to strengthen his leg muscles).

Seeing as no one is bothering to clean up the article, I'll begin my work sometime tommorow. --ShadowJester07 04:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Awkward...

Could somebody change this passage: "Living with unbearable pain, Walter continued to live his life the way he wanted to live it" to something more elegant? Mrbluesky 16:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy breathing

The article's good, but the descriptors are really breathy. The florid language subtracted from my overarching consciousness of the wordage.

On a fateful spring afternoon a plethora of losing seasons The Chicagoland area had never witnessed such an star-studded performance where he amazed football fanatics with sublime performance The Bears exploded into the 1985 NFL season conjured a sublime 15-1 record managed to voraciously conquer an epic battle

They make the overall article seem much less objective than it otherwise might read.

Er, Sorry,I was rather new when I wrote this WP article, I'll fix those mistakes. --ShadowJester07 04:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA drive

Can't tell you how happy it makes me to find this article hasn't yet made GA, because it's enjoyable work for me. Question for someone knowledgeable about image rights; if our family has an autographed photo of Walter in action, purchased from the foundation, could that be used here? Novickas 20:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citing References

Having watched American football for over 30 years, I certainly remember and complete agree with the description of Walter Payton's gameplay as described in this article. I fondly remember his ability to go around, go over, go under, or go through just about any defender and in some cases, all on the same play. I don't see how one's personna or gameplay can be treated as a verifiable fact one could reference from text, although I'm sure there are countless videos and highlight films of it. How does one treat something that was certainly seen by millions on TV every Sunday afternoon for over a decade as unveriable or uncited just because its not in text form?

Buggsbuny 01:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

While the content may infact be true, see WP:Verify, WP:original research, WP:reliable sources --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  01:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
In response to your latter statement - technically yes, since anything could interpret Payton's play or make up information that many not be true. Please see the aforementioned Wikipedia Links. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  01:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] need more info

u really need moreinfo on this page becuse alot of people want to no want walter payton's rookie stats and career stats areu really need moreinfo on this page becuse alot of people want to no want walter payton's rookie stats and career stats are and more of his early life such as what hospital he was born at if any, what education he got such as elemntry. his strengths and weaknesses at school, his goals and did he accplish them... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.25.245.226 (talk • contribs) 2007 February 21.

Thanks for the comment. Like all of Wikipedia, the article is a work in progress and its coverage will improve in the future (you can help). Wikipedia is never going to be a good source for sports statistics, though. I suggest that you take a look at the article's external links, databaseFootball and Pro Football Reference. ×Meegs 20:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Ummm, all the information you requested is already present in the Article. See Beginning and Career Statistics. Hope that helps --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  23:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contribution

Hi all, congratulations for the great work so far! However while reading the article I felt something very important in the life of Walter Payton could be given a larger place: his involvement in charity and the role of his foundation. I am a Bears fan and obviously appreciates to its fullest all his accomplishments on the field. But it really struck me (and would undoubtedly struck you if you read his autobiography "Never Die Easy") to learn about his overall legacy off the field. I believe it should show when discussing about Walter Payton. If any of you agree with this, then I would certainly volunteer to contribute on these subjects. Let me know. Sebfau 23:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, we appreciate it. Feel free to add information about Payton, just be sure to properly Cite the information according to WP:CS (Citing sources is very important). Please expand the legacy section, since Payton has played a significant role in shaping the mentalites and playing styles of many modern running backs like Ladainian Tomlinson --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  23:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference style

I'm going to convert the referencing to a manual format, if anyone disagrees please let me know. I'll wait a while before doing so to see what if someone objects. Quadzilla99 13:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Eh nevermind, I was going to change in the refs advance of a big expansion and re-write of the article, but I saw how bad the Sugar Ray Robinson article was and have been laboring on that one. This one's on the back burner for now. Quadzilla99 20:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Give us a heads up when you finish working with Sugar Ray article. I've made a few edits to get this page up so it meets WP's main principles, but it could use some more work to reach GA or perhaps even FA status. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  21:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
  • Yes, this was a very good candidate. I read through it twice and could not find any major faults with it. It is well written, well structured and well referenced. My only issue is the lack of free-use images but given the circumstances, it is understandable. The fair-use images provide adequate licensing and rationales so i see no issue here. Well done. Woodym555 18:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)