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[edit] Rivals for Seras and Integra

I removed the following from the article: Note: In chapter 78, it is implied that Alucard and Walter might have been rivals competing for Seras and Integra. Before they begin their battle, Alucard says that they are both just his now.

It is not a "rivalry" of the sort the statement claims. Alucard believes that serving Integra and being looked up to by Seras is an honor. Alucard says that Integra is his master alone, and Seras as a follower/student is his alone. Walter will no longer be a factor in their lives - only Alucard will. This was to annoy Walter, since for a brief moment, it seemed as if Walter might have regretted his betrayal, given how emotional Integra and Seras were for his loss. Nargrakhan 17:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Recent Events?

Instead of how the article claims, it's hardly of any support to Walter's innocence, that he helped protecting the Hellsing mansion in Vol 2. He couldn't have exposed his true loyalties that early, as Millennium had not yet made its move. Besides, he clearly didn't even intend to kill Jan Valentine. Later in Vol 5 he destroyed the treacherous officials in the army base, in order to protect Integra, because the Major wanted her alive. Rexas 05:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


-- However, it would have been remarkably simple to deliver Integra, rather than kill those guys and stay and fight the Captain


First of all, had Walter delivered Integra to the nazis immediately as they begun their attack, she wouldn't have been able to play the part that the Major had intended for her - In other words, keep commanding Alucard and maintain the "joy of war". The Major claims several times he's not interested in winning or losing, he simply wishes to see the battle go on, endlessly. For this, he needs Integra to keep fighting, on her own will. Plus, I suspect Walter couldn't afford his cover to be blown, until he would attain the safety of immortality by becoming a vampire. Secondly, who says Walter ever fought the Captain? The battle was never shown, and when we see the updated Walter for the first time, he's standing side by side with his "sworn enemy". Rexas 20:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Since Millennium seems to have made Alucard's Jackal, and hence Walter would have to have gotten it from them, does this mean that Walter was actually the traitor? Also, I just realised that while the article says he has been brainwashed, my volume 7 manga makes no such statement. Where does it come from? Hellspawn 10:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


Alright, was that latest events description ("in chapter 79...") totally made up? 'Cause I happen to have some iching that goes for "yes". Since when did this article turn into manga-chapter-by-chapter? Rexas 16:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
No, it wasn't made up. Schrödinger 21:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Rexas. I think there are several paragraphs in the chapter that should not be there. Have you ever seen an article about a fictional character in an old fashioned encyclopedia that follows his/her every moves? I think until he dies or the manga end (whatever comes first), only the last events should appear. If he dies, then a description about his dead should be given. Helios 17:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

well i think whomever made the page was a bit off. you see i read chapter 77 and walter told integra after she ordered alucard to kill him i quote "splendid! you are indeed the great master i once so treasured"user:angel_0707 8:48, june 2,2007 (utc)

I agree, some innaccuracies here need editing. Under Powers and Abilities it said that Walter is able to regenerate a .454 Casull round to the face...where in the manga does he get shot in the face? He deflects the Casull rounds easily using his wires. I think this is a confusion arising from the scene where Alucard smacks him after transforming into 'Girlycard' and have edited accordingly. Any regenerative ability Walter may have therefore remains unproven (although being hit by Alucard must hurt!) User:Summitscribbler 15:57, 24 July 2007

That was my mistake , althought I see now that he got hit in the face. but two pages later his facve facve seems to be regenerating as bits of skin where torn off and pulped. Although this could be that he was deaging or even both.

[edit] -- Baskerville?

It is listed in the article that the name of the hound which Alucard used to attack Walter is Baskerville. Unless I'm mistaken, this isn't true. Baskerville was merely part of a pun ventured by Walter. In the translated version, he says: "What am I to this hound? One of the Baskervilles?" This was merely a joke, as he was being attacked by a giant hound, such as the Baskerville family was in the Sherlock Holmes story.

The translators at BK (well, the text editor actually) deliberately changed the original lines because she thought it would be inaccurate. Walter is actually saying 黒犬獣　（ブラックドッグ）! バスカヴィル! (Black dog! Baskerville!). She said: The reason I wrote it the way I did is because the Hound in the Holmes novel is not named Baskerville. Baserville is the family name of a group of people in the novel who are stalked and killed by a starved black dog.
To have Walter say to the HellHound 'The Black Dog...Baskerville!' would be even more innacurrate than anything, even if that's what the literal translation was.
So the dog's name actually is Baskerville. It's just named after the novel. Schrödinger 00:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

70.232.160.174 00:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)Johnny D.

If that translation is right, then perhaps "Baskerville!" was just an exclamation referencing the family in the story. No matter the circumstance, the dog's name at least shouldn't be explicitly labeled as baskerville in the article, especially given the dispute.

Um, there is no dispute. The text editor literally invented new lines because she disagreed with Hirano's choice of name for the dog. She argued that, since the dog in the novel isn't named Baskerville, then the dog in Hellsing cannot be named Baskerville. This doesn't really make any sense, as the dog may be simply named after the novel. This would be like saying that, since the cat in Erwin Schrödinger's famous thought experiment wasn't named Schrödinger, it is wrong to name the catboy in Hellsing Schrödinger. She isn't arguing that Walter isn't calling the dog Baskerville, she is arguing that it's incorrect for Hirano to name the dog Baskerville. They released a second version of the chapter with the literal translation intact. Walter is saying "The black dog! Baskerville!". Schrödinger 05:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I suppose I see your point. Perhaps Hirano's words just struck me as strange, especially because the dog hadn't had a name. Pardon if I sturred you up. I have to wonder, though, does Alucard have more than one? I thought there was more than one head that dealt with Luke, but that could have just been me misjudging the amorphous blobs.

Nah, you didn't stir me up. =P Yeah, before I actually read the chapter, but knew that Alucard's hellhound (singular) appeared and was called Baskerville, I was confused. In the fight with Luke, there were definitely at least two heads. But in this chapter, and on this page from volume 8, it has a single large head. At first I thought that maybe the famous 8-eyed dog from the TV series opening and OVA trailer - which still hasn't appeared in the manga - was going to be in it, but it turned out to be the dog that ate Luke... Schrödinger 06:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

76.210.199.229 01:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)JohnnyD

I wonder what dark horse is gonna publish it as

76.210.199.229 10:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)JohnnyD

Any chance that Walter was simply being sarcastic with his comment there? At least his expression wasn't very serious. Perhaps he was merely mocking the hound by calling it Baskerville, as the dog in the Sherlock Holmes story was eventually killed. And how did Walter know the beast's name anyway? Rexas 19:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's what I thought too. But for now, all we can do is take it straight out of the translation. Dark Horse isn't so far behind. I personally don't think it's going to stay literal, but it's hardly anything to focus on anymore.

75.35.37.161 03:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)JohnnyD


[edit] -- Walter's reasons for becoming a vampire?

I recently was able to read a chapter 80, and after Alucard punched Walter in the face he said something interesting.

From what I understand( and from what I have read from the translation) Alucard was treating his battle with Walter as a quarrel 
between children. Thats why he changed into his child form. In fact Alucard was treating, from my understanding, the war as 
mainly  as petty quarreling between children. Alucard said that Walter was looking down on him. Alucard reasoned out that 
Walter, Anderson and these artificial vampires only wanted to fight him because they feared becoming useless, forgotten. Hence 
in their search for a way to overcome their "uselessness", in their search for a purpose they so desperately wanted to fight 
Alucard and Hellsing. They turned Alucard as the object for their insecurities and fighting and defeating Alucard as their goal 
or a goal they could finally die in trying to accomplish.

Walter's world revolved around defeating Alucard so much that "he even forgot how to continue on his own". Alucard stated that he hasn't changed from the past 60 years.( Could this mean that Walter's insecurities or feelings of uselessness extended even from that time, aggravated by the fact Alucard seemingly continued to become stronger while he aged?).

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