Talk:Walking with Dinosaurs

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Contents 1 Cost of Series 2 Sea Monsters 3 Criticism/So-Called Violence 4 Dinosaur World 5 Saurophtirus 6 Spirits Of The Ice Forest - Pterosaur 7 Sea Monsters And Prehistoric Park 8 Unidentified animals 9 Semi-protection? 10 Overview Article 11 The Ballad Of Big Al 12 Pages 13 The Future Is Wild 14 Chased by dinosaurs 15 Australian allosaur 16 The Accuracy_Dispute/Unidentified animals, original research, etc. 17 MORE SCIENTIFIC CRITICISM & CRITIQUE REQUIRED 18 Documentary? 19 SCIENTIFIC CRITICISM & CRITIQUE 20 Userbox 21 THE UNIDENTIFIED CREATURE IN EPISODE SIX 22 Fair use rationale for Image:Wws.jpg 23 Driven to Distraction 24 The Next Chapter

[edit] Cost of Series

The Guinness Book of World Records reports that the series was the most expensive documentary series per minute ever made [1]

is this still true? the citation no longer works, and i'm sure "planet earth" cost more in total, but i dont know per minute? Mikey - "so emo, it hurts"© 21:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

True. I believe it was about $9,000,000 but I have forgotten. Radical3 18:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sea Monsters

Who can contribute to this section?61.230.78.58 12:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I probably can. I've seen all three episodes of Sea Monsters before. Maybe, I can add some facts. Radical3 23:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I remember seeing sea monsters in south africa where it was shown with chased by dinosaurs. a lot of it was cut out and it wasnt shown in order so it became quite confusing.

[edit] Criticism/So-Called Violence

I'm removing some things here including that whole list of 'so-called violence' because it is biased; especially that list is completely unecessary. Jerkov 19:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Could we add some kind of paragraph showing that the programme has attracted criticism for it's portrayal of theories as fact? I certainly felt when watching it that the stylistic choice by the producers to humanise the creatures often involved very questionable "facts".

e.g. Episode 1

The Thrinaxadon young are stated by the voice over to "leave the nest after nine weeks". There is very little evidence the programme makers could give to lend weight to such a suggestion.

and Episode 2

the method of egg-laying by Diplodocus is pure speculation - I remember seeing a "making of" documentary about the episode, in which the producers were shown picking this method as the most televisual out of several possible theories. They then showed the special effects team designing the ovipositor apparatus from scratch, without reference to any fossil evidence.

All instances like this throughout the series are presented as gospel truth, something which I know paleontologists around the world have found uncomfortable (no luck on finding quotable sources, though). However, could we not add to the criticism section:

Some have found the programme's portrayal of life to be based upon speculation and assumption without detailed evidence from the fossil record. It has been suggested that the programme at times deviates from documentary into drama by including unvalidated theories.

Any thoughts? I feel this would greatly increase the balance of the article, especially if anyone can find citations to back it up. 82.3.211.32 09:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Aren't such details supposed to maintain the illsuion of this being a real documentary? Open admission that we don't know something would destroy the sense of immersion that was pretty much the main point of this series. It depends really on whether the stated goal of the programme was to provide a documentary about prehistoric animals, or to give the impression of being a documentary about prehistoric animals. I tend towards the latter - after all, the specific "characters" each episode follows and the landscapes and events surrounding them aren't (necessarily) real either. -- Leushenko (talk) 17:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dinosaur World

Didn't there used to be a simutainment downloadable game called Dinosaur World? It was a sort of virtual exploration game? Should there be a section on that?

Well...ever since the BBC site broke down, leaving only the Big Al game, the Sea Monster Adventure, the sea monster fact files and the essays about each episode, Dinosaur World was removed. And there isn't another download of it at the Australian site copy either. It doesn't have much to do with Walking With Dinosaurs, besides featuring animals from the film, and so shouldn't be included. Maybe.61.230.72.211 00:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Dinosaur World has been put back on the BBC page! Dora Nichov 02:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

If u dont belive him, i have the game User:4444hhhh

[edit] Saurophtirus

I don't recall the book describing Saurophtirus as an ectoparasite on Diplodocus; it clearly shows the creature to live on pterosaurs like a louse. So I'm removing its entry under Time of the Titans. Jerkov 17:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spirits Of The Ice Forest - Pterosaur

Does anyone have an idea of which kind of pterosaur appeared in Spirits Of The Ice Forest? Dora Nichov 01:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

A few fragmentary pterosaur specimens have been found in Australia, but none have been named. Probably just meant to be a generic pterosaur.Dinoguy2 19:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh. That was what I had been trying to find out -- the name of the pterosaur found near Australia. Dora Nichov 00:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

They didn't name the pterosaur but I believe they name it in the encyclopedia. Radical3 18:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

No, they didn't or else I wouldn't be asking. Dora Nichov 09:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sea Monsters And Prehistoric Park

Maybe these two should be merged with this article. They ARE specials, you know. Dora Nichov 03:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Merging them with this article would make it a bit long; I don't see a problem with keeping them seperate. Jerkov 19:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Then the other specials should have their own pages too. Either that, or have all the specials combined in one article called "Walking With... Specials" or something. Dora Nichov 02:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I think The Giant Claw and Land of Giants can be given an article under "Chased by Dinosaurs". And didn't Ballad of Big Al use to have its own page? As for Prehistoric Park, is it really a special to WWD? It seems more like a spin-off series to me. Jerkov 16:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, The Ballad Of Big Al once had it's own page. Chased By Dinosaurs and Sea Monsters are definitely specials. Prehistoric Park? Not sure, haven't seen it yet. Dora Nichov 21:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Prehistoric Park is a completly seperate series, using similar production staff and starring Nigel MarvinMichael.O'SullivanLim

I know it's separate series, but that doesn't stop it from being a special. Dora Nichov 09:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

But its not even part of the BBC, its an ITV series. Even if it was made by Impossible Pictures, you cant argue cos you haven't seen it yet OK?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOB 17:43 28 February 2007

let's look at it this way: in Sea Monsters, you see t-rex briefly, and it looks exactly like the rex in WwD. now, the rex in prehistoric park looks COMPLETELY different. i think that we should take that into account when referring to them as seperate series. its like th raptors in jurassic park and the supposed dromaeosaurus in "when dinosaurs roam america" and the ones(again, supposedly)in WwD Brontoraptor 01:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

PP is not as closely related to WWD as SM, but they're still distantly "related". Dora Nichov 10:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

i guess i see what you mean. i think that a link to SM should be made on the PP page Brontoraptor 18:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... I think most of the Walking With... pages link to it so it's fine. Dora Nichov 02:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unidentified animals

Can we be sure that the small ornithopod in episode 6 is a Parksosaurus? There were two similar creatures, Thescelosaurus and Orodromeus, in North America at the same time. Is the creature identified anywhere? If not, it should be listed as "Unidentified hypsilophodontid, possibly Parksosaurus, Thescelosaurus or Orodromeus". By the way, what is the dinosaur-like animal scavenged by the T.rex in episode 6? Jerkov 19:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about the Parksosaurus, but I think the dead dinosaur is a baby Tyrannosaurus or something. Dora Nichov 21:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

We still need to find out:

• What were the pterosaurs in Spirits Of The Ice Forest? (Probably one of those unamed pterosaurs found near Australia, the article says Pterodactyl)
• I saw Time Of Titans again and thought I saw Othneilia...
• What were the small pterosaurs in Giant Of The Skies? (The article says Pteranodon)
• What were the small ornithopods in Death Of A Dynasty? (The article says Parksosaurus)

Dora Nichov

Okay, I fixed some of the article entries because they were unbased speculation and/or incorrect; here's some explanation:

• Spirits of the Ice Forest pterosaurs: Pterodactyl is not a valid term, many people mistakingly use it in reference to pterosaurs. The link went to Pterodactylus, which is even more off because that creature didn't exist 106 million years ago.
• The Time of the Titans ornithopod is definitely Dryosaurus; the same creatures (green with stripes) are seen in Ballad of Big Al and identified as Dryosaurus. Othnielia have blue heads.
• The small pterosaurs in Giant of the Skies were not Pteranodon; that creature didn't exist yet 127 million years ago. They may look like young Pteranodon, but that's because the Quetzalcoatlus model from ep. 6 was reused; this has a small crest. I don't know of any pterodactyloïd pterosaur in the Early Cretaceous with such a crest. The closest thing is Gallodactylus, but that one's from the Late Jurassic.
• The Death of a Dynasty ornithopods: I fixed the article to show the three possible creatures here.

If the user(s) who keep changing these things back do(es) it again I'll talk to him/them.

As for the creature in ep. 6, it doesn't look like a Tyrannosaurus- both the young and adult rexes don't have the crocodile-like back plates this creature has. It looks most like a basal archosaur like Postosuchus or Ornithosuchus, but these went extinct in the Triassic. Jerkov 18:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, the dead "thing" was a carnivore anyway. Dora Nichov 02:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

This creature look like a Ceratosaurus,but this dinosaur live at Jurassic,not at Cretaceous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.26.223.226 (talk) 13:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The episode 4 pterosaur with the Pteranodon crest is probably Ludodactylus, but until someone tells us officially what is is (i.e. on their website) we cannot be sure. And there was another ornithopod in the late Cretaceous, Oryctodromeus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalraptor (talk • contribs) 22:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection?

I'm getting a bit tired of constantly having to correct the creature listings, especially the persistent "pterodactyl" listing for the pterosaur under Spirits of the Ice Forest and stuff like that. Should we semi-protect the page? Jerkov 18:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Me too! Some guy keeps changing "Thrinaxodon" to "cynodont", "Dromaeosaurus" to "dromaeosaur" and "Allosaurus" to "allosaur" on this page and "Indricotherium" to "indricothere", "Cynodictis" to "bear dog", "Chalicotherium" to "chalicothere", "Embolotherium" to "brontothere" and "Entelodon" to "entelodont" on the Walking With Beasts page. This guy has also been seen on the When Dinosaurs Roamed America article. All three pages should be protected. It's tiring doing this reverting over and over. I mean, can't this guy see the refences beside each unidetified animal? Dora Nichov 02:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

RED ALERT! I've just caught the guy on Sea Monsters! He's: 84.45.157.120, I think. I've left him a message on his talk page. By the way, we should protect all four pages that have been vandalised by him. Dora Nichov 02:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Judging from the nature of his edits, I don't think he's an actual vandal, but that doesn't change the fact that he's messing things up. If we can settle this by talking to him I'd prefer that over the semi-protection, but if he makes more of these edits after being informed by you I think semi-protection is the best course of action. Jerkov 15:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

NEWS! He has replied. Tells me to leave him alone. Says he's only eleven years old, blah blah blah... Dora Nichov 13:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, you're handling the situation in a overly aggressive manner. Keeping a calm tone makes for a far better pwning. -- Majin Gojira 13:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Whadya mean we're (or I'm) handling the situation aggresively? Dora Nichov 13:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Since the matter appears to already have been settled, It's a little late for this:

Stop changing animal names in Walking With Dinosaurs, Walking With Beasts, When Dinoasurs Roamed America and Sea Monsters!

Since this is an "Opening volley", it would have been more effective to word it thusly:

Please stop changing the animal names on the following pages: Walking with Dinosaurs, Walking with Beasts, When Dinosaurs Roamed America and Sea Monsters.

Or, for even more authoritative:

Please refrain from changing the animal names...

For the rest of it:

It's very annoying! Can't you see references beside each animal!? You're making the articles less specified and less imformative! You... The nicest thing I can say is you're making the articles worse!

This just badly done, here. A far calmer approach would have elevated this greately. "It's very annoying" is jhighly subjective, and "The nicest thing I can say" is just a bland insult.

This would have been A) more word-effective and B) more direct.

Your edits only cause detriment to the articles in question, as prior to your edits, the animal identities were fully cited. Please refrain from continuing these edits.

An "Or risk moderator intervention." can be added if the need is felt.

But I'm a writer, so, I tend to be nitpicky that way. -- Majin Gojira 22:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. But I was a bit angry when I was writing that. After all, he WAS messing up the page quite thourghly. Dora Nichov 09:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

IT'S WORKED! He has agreed to stop. Dora Nichov 10:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I did find another 'pterodactyl' from him on this page today. Jerkov 15:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I've explained the meaning of "Pterodactyl" on his talk page. Dora Nichov 00:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

This is COOOOOL!!!!!!! Its like CSI Miami meets Napoleon Dynamite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry Dora, for the spin-off page higher up.I just realised your a really cool person!!!! 17:54 28 February 2007

Huh? What did I do? Dora Nichov 09:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overview Article

I think that there should be an overview article for the entire Walking with... series, to serve as an introduction. It should contain VERY BRIEF summaries of Walking with Monsters, Walking with Dinosaurs, Walking with Beasts, Walking with Cavemen (even if it is only loosely associated), The Ballad of Big Al, Chased by Dinosaurs, Sea Monsters and Prehistoric Park. It should also contain data such as the people who worked on the series, filming location, the CGI Company used for the projects, the puppet company used, etc. What does everyone else think of this?

P.S. A spin-off of "Walking with Beasts" titled "What Killed The Mega Beasts" was also made and I think it should be included in the main Walking with Beasts article as a Walking with Beasts Special. - 03:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, Walking With Cavemen has nearly nothing to do with the Walking With... series, other than a similar name and the fact it's from BBC. Dora Nichov 09:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I know it has little to do with it, but its a safe bet that anyone whose heard of it associates it with the rest of the Walking with... series. And those two similarities you mentioned aren't the only ones they share. What little CGI Walking with Cavemen has is also from Framestore CFC and they probably also used the same people to make the puppets (such as the Gigantopithecus) as they did in the other series. Besides being Anthropocentric, the only difference I see is the fact that the Series Creator Tim Haines was not involved. It's worth at least a mention. By the way, what did you think of my "overview article" idea?; and what is your take on "What Killed The Mega Beasts", which, by the way, also used Framestore? - 21:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I still don't think Walking With Cavemen has much to do with the rest of the series. Walking With Dinosaurs, Walking With Beasts and Walking With Monsters are known as the Walking With... Trilogy Dora Nichov 10:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine. Then we won't include Walking with Cavemen. But you still have not mentioned your opinion on the other concepts I have mentioned. - 22:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't have much time to finish my last message. I don't think we need an overview article, but we can make a new book at Wikibooks about the Walking With... series + specials. As for What Killed The Mega Beasts... I don't know much about that, can you tell me more? Is it really a special? And what animals does it feature? Dora Nichov 00:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

What Killed The Mega Beasts is a Discovery Channel special that aired not long after Walking with Beasts. Most reviews are negative, though I like it. In particular, the animation seems to have been inferior and low-budget, but still from Framestore and better than the CGI effects I've seen in some other documentaries. Also, it is accused of being mostly sensationalist. If you like paleontology it is worth viewing (as I said, I like it). Just like "... Cavemen" it is only Loosely associated with the Walking with... series. The Species depicted are: Mammuthus, Megatherium, Castoroides, Megaladapis, Thylacoleo and Dinornis. The documentary talks about what could have caused the Ice Age Extinction: Chill (Climate change), Ill (Superplague disease) and Kill (Human hunting). It also shows the individual beasts and their possible reason for extinction. For more details, type the title in Google.com. You may find it on Amazon.com. - 01:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I have a list of the Creatures that were not given their own page in "The Complete Guide To Prehistoric Life". They may have been featured but they were not given their own page. They include creatures from the loosely associated spin-offs as well (such as Walking with Cavemen,Prehistoric Park and What Killed The Mega Beasts). They include animals which may simply have had cameos on the series (such as a dead individual) or they may have simply been mentioned in their respective series' books. All the other animals mentioned in the series have their own page in the book. There is a total of 60 creatures here.

Walking With Monsters:

• Mesothelae
• Rhinesuchus
• Euchambersia

Walking With Dinosaurs:

• Muttaburrasaurus
• Triceratops
• Dromaeosaurus
• Quetzalcoatlus
• Steropodon
• Phytosaurus
• Coelurus
• Plesiopleurodon
• Deinosuchus
• Parkosaurus
• Dinilysia
• Metoposaurus
• Edmontosaurus
• Saurophthirus
• Dryosaurus
• Leptolepis

Walking With Beasts:

• Formicium
• Eurotamandua

Walking With Cavemen:

• Gigantopithecus
• Paranthropus
• Homo habilis
• Homo ergaster
• Homo erectus
• Homo heidelbergensis

The Ballad Of Big Al:

• Apatosaurus

Chased By Dinosaurs:

• Azhdarcho
• Saurolophus

Sea Monsters:

• Halisaurus
• Bothriolepis
• Astraspis
• Graptolite
• Onychodus
• Cheirolepis
• Cladoselache
• Neuticosaurus
• Hainosaurus
• Squalicorax
• Mastodonsaurus

Prehistoric Park:

• Ursus
• Elasmotherium
• Toxodon
• Nyctosaurus
• Eosipterus
• Microraptor
• Mei
• Incisivosaurus
• Ornithomimus
• Troodon
• Albertosaurus
• Titanosaurus
• Parasaurolophus
• Crassigyrinus
• Pulmonoscorpius

What Killed The Mega Beasts:

• Megaladapis
• Dinornis
• Castoroides
• Thylacoleo

01:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I see more evidence that Walking With Cavemen is part of the series every time I search on the subject. - 01:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Walking With Cavemen is NOT included in the overview making-of episode from Walking With Monsters. Dora Nichov 01:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Also Mastodonsaurus is in the Sea Monsters book, there was no mention of it in Walking With Dinosaurs. Dora Nichov 01:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

And the dwarf Allosaurus is meant to be an Allosaurus. Also, what is POINT of that list? Just because some animals aren't in the encyclopedia doesn't mean that they're not in the film. They are idetified from other sources too. Dora Nichov 02:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and have you started the new book on Wikibooks yet? Oh, yeah, you don't have an account. You can create one on Wikibooks. Wikimedia account creating doesn't require ANY information! Dora Nichov 02:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Humm. I could have sworn that Cavemen was part of the series. Oh well. I guess I should have done more research.The Mastodonsaurus thing was a mistake. I've fixed it. The point of the list is that I have WAY too much time on my hands and I happened to notice that the book was missing some creatures. As for the Book-creating and the fact that I need an account, to make an account you need cookies and I don't like them. Viruses/Spyware/etc. They may or may not have them, but I don't like to take chances. - 02:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

OK. Guess I'll have to create the book, then. Dora Nichov 04:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

And what's Eurotamandua? Where do is appear? Dora Nichov 04:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I've added Dryosaurus to the Walking With Dinosaurs section of your list, as it had a cameo in there too. I also added Pterodactylus to The Ballad Of Big Al, I'm not 100% sure if it's there, though (see below), and removed dwarf Allosaurus. As I said, it's supposed to be an Allosaurus. Dora Nichov 04:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Added Coelurosaurus and Isotelus to the Sea Monsters section of your list. Also, I think there was good reason for the book-only animals to be excluded from the encyclopedia -- they didn't have animated versions! By the way, you may have to re-count your creatures. Dora Nichov 05:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Eurotamandua was the live-acted arboreal anteater in the first episode of Walking with Beasts.I've removed the Dryosaurus from The ballad of Big Al because it had a cameo on Walking with Dinosaurs first and there is only supposed to be one entry per animal. I don't think that the Pterodactylus was present but I will leave it there. The creature count has been fixed and is now up to 64. Is Isotelus a Trilobite? if it is then it should not be included as the encyclopedia had a page on trilobites. That would make the count 64. - 20:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Pterodactylus wasn't in Ballad of Big Al, the only pterosaur there was Anurognathus. Yes, Isotelus is a trilobite. It is identified in the Sea Monsters book as the giant trilobite Nigel uses to lure the giant orthocone (makes sense, since Isotelus is the largest known trilobite unless I'm mistaken). As for Coelurosaurus, it shouldn't be there. Coelurosaurs didn't exist yet 230 million years ago and Coelurosaurus itself is not even a valid name. The depicted creatures were probably supposed to be generic herrerasaurs, like Staurikosaurus. Jerkov 22:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Jerkov, you said that the coelurosaurs in When Dinosaurs Roamed America were Coelurosaurus, and now you say it's an invalid term. Isotelus is a Trilobite, it is mentioned, but doesn't have an entry in the encyclopedia, as is Rhinesuchus. By the way, if Anurognathus are decipted as feeding on Diplodocus's backs like modern oxpeckers, then why would BBC make it the pterosaurs that feed on carcasses? Dora Nichov 09:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

There is a page on trilobites in the encyclopedia, so Isotelus does not need an entry to the list. - 13:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Jerkov, you said that the coelurosaurs in When Dinosaurs Roamed America were Coelurosaurus, and now you say it's an invalid term. It is indeed invalid, but since the creatures in WDRA were explicitely referred to as Coelurosaurus by the narrator it should be listed on that page- better to list an invalid name (but used in the series) than none at all.
• By the way, if Anurognathus are decipted as feeding on Diplodocus's backs like modern oxpeckers, then why would BBC make it the pterosaurs that feed on carcasses? It's either a mistake or the creatures supplement their diet with carrion. Either way, they're clearly intended to be Anurognathus; they have the same short jaws.

Jerkov, I know that the original version takes precedence. In this and many other aspects of my life, I am all about what is official. But my list was meant to be all-inclusive (if it was mentioned ANYWHERE in the Walking with... series in ANY VERSION/EDITION/etc. it must go in my list). By the way, if you know of any other edition that mentions any other creature, please let me know. - 22:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess if it was a mistake it wouldn't be right to keep it in the list. I'm removing it. By the way Jerkov, we have met before on Wikipedia. Did you see my concluding post on Talk:Rhinoceros concerning hybrid Rhinos?. - 23:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to raise another issue. Notice the fact that more evidence is being uncovered to support the fact that many of the Theropods in WWD are feathered. I think that the makers of WWD should refilm the scenes that used puppets of said creatures and replace the CGI's of the creatures wherever they appeared. Basically, they should make a new edition of WWD. I know that it is not yet certain that those creatures were feathered, but it's a safer bet to say that they were than to say that they weren't (though it's still possible that they weren't; see Juravenator ). Comments would be appreciated. - 02:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone. I agree about feathered dinosaurs. I remember When Dinsoaurs Roamed America saying they were coelurosaurs. Dora Nichov 09:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

HOLD EVERYTHING!! Comments would be appreciated. They also showed Utahraptor in Europe while it is only known from Europe, so this doesn't mean anything. By the way Jerkov, we have met before on Wikipedia. Did you see my concluding post on Talk:Rhinoceros concerning hybrid Rhinos?. Yeah, I remember that. Jerkov 13:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Have we all frogot what this disscussion was for in the first place? Who will make the book? I guess if no one volunteers, I will have to, as 68-something refuses to create an account. By the way, does anyone disagree about making the book in the first place? Dora Nichov 14:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought that you had established the fact that you would make it. - 20:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine I'll make it when I have enough time (I don't right now). Dora Nichov 10:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I've started. You can help! Wikibooks: the Walking With... Series Dora Nichov 06:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait, someone did it allready! Thanks!:)Ps: What killed the mega beasts is made ny someone else!74.104.224.214 01:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Ballad Of Big Al

It's a long time since I saw it, and I have some questions.

• Were the pterosaurs Anurognathus or Pterodactylus? Or were both featured?
• I know there's Apatosaurus, but in which part did it appear?

Dora Nichov 04:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the pterosaurs were anurognathus. Apatosaurus was in the hunting scene. - 20:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

No, the sauropods in the hunting scene were Diplodocus. Apatosaurus was seen in several wide shots; it's basically a Diplodocus with more vivid coloring and no spines. Jerkov 21:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pages

I think The Ballad of Big Al and Chased by Dinosaurs should have their own pages. It makes the page too long if they are included in Walking with Dinosaurs. And how about a page for the making of Walking with Dinosaurs? Mr A 17:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. Long pages aren't that bad. Most of the featured articles are very long. Anyways, there is not enough information on any of the ones you mentioned to make there own pages (they would be very short, if not stubs). In-fact, I think Sea Monsters should be included here as well. - 21:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd think we either gave the specials their own pages each, or merge all the specials into this page. I don't care as long as we do one of these. Dora Nichov 09:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

OK. I'd go for merging the specials in then.Mr A 19:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

OK. Dora Nichov 01:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

We have three options so far:

1. Merge all specials into this page
2. Merge all specials into a separate psge, titled Walking With... Specials or something similar
3. Give all the specials separate pages

I don't care as long as we do one of them, though I personally prefer the first and second ones. Dora Nichov 09:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I vote option number 2 as the specials are somewhat different from the original series, but they are not long enough to warrant their own pages. - 02:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I vote for 1 or 2, as long as they are together.Mr A 15:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Whatever you say... Dora Nichov 09:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Took a while, but done for Big Al. J. Spencer 16:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Future Is Wild

Is there some relation of this series with The Future Is Wild? I find the narrative and visual styles similar. --Error 21:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

No. Dora Nichov 05:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, "The Future Is Wild" seems to be made by the same people that did the following: "When Dinosaurs Roamed America","Dinosaur Planet","Giant Monsters" and "Alien Planet". - 21:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe so too. NOT the same as the Walking With... Series. Dora Nichov 09:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chased by dinosaurs

Some one keeps removing stuff from the Chased by Dinosaurs page which I made myself. I am so annoyed. Please get them to stop it.

That would be me. I do not think the article should have been split from the Walking with Dinosaurs page withought being thuroughly expanded. You appear to be assuming that the article you created holds precidence simply because you created it, and that's just self-serving. -- Majin Gojira 00:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope you enjoy my new orginization of the pages.- DinoBird

i think that "chased by dinosaurs" should either get its own page or at least a section under "walking with dinosaurs". its seperate enough to deserve its own. its also annoying because ive been trying to find an article for that for reference for my own research, because right now it just redirects to the WwD page. anyone else think this should happen? Brontoraptor 01:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Australian allosaur

Under Spirits of the Ice Forest, the large theropod is listed as Allosaurus (identified as allosaur). Just out of curiosity, if it's only identified as an allosaur in the show, why is it marked as Allosaurus, rather than "Unnamed allosaur" or something similar? Its presence in Australia is based on fragmentary bones that might belong to an allosaur, but nobody has referred them to any specific genus that I know of, and finding an actual Allosaurus in the Early Cretaceous of Gondwana, when all other known specimens come from the Late Jurassic of Laurasia, is extraordinarily unlikely. I think it's far more likely that it's either a carcharodontosaurid, a relict primitive tetanuran like Crylophosaurus, or something completely different (the bones in question have even been assigned to some kind of ornithomimid or alvaerzsaur). In short, better switch the label over to just allosaur or unnamed allosaur, and link allosaur to Allosauridae at least. Dinoguy2 05:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a dwaf allosaur. odd name for a dinosaur if you ask me!:)74.104.224.214 01:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Some dinosaurs weren't all that big. Anyway, dwarf is relative; a red dwarf star is still far bigger than the whole Earth.--Simul8 13:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It's only known from a femur (not sure if it really is a femur, i may be wrong) that has a lot of resemblence with the allosaurus that lived 150 million years ago in West USA, only that it's half the size, suggesting that the allosaur that lived in Australia was half the size of the one in the US. Radical3 15:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Dora Nichov 13:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Which also means it's a probably new genus, not Allosaurus. Dinoguy2 00:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

i think it should go as "An unidentified species of dwarf(or polar) allosaur", and redirect to either "Allosaurus" or "Allosauridae". i suggest this because in an rpg that i started, the people go back in time and sometimes encounter undiscivered species, which are then labeled as something like "an unidentified species of coelurosaur" or "an unidentified species of Massospondylus". just my input, i only try to help. Brontoraptor 01:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Accuracy_Dispute/Unidentified animals, original research, etc.

Can someone please explain, in plain english (preferably using fewer than six commas), what exactly is disputed and where it might be discussed? Or, at the very least, edit the boilerplate in the article so it parses?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.168.174.141 (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Just a note about my reversion--including the names of unidentified animals is original research, and there was a tag on the top of the page requesting this be cleaned up. I did so, and removed the tag. Most of the identifications came from the companion book, which is why they are now listed in that section. Looking up an identification of an unidentified animal in a source outside the one you;re discussing is about the most basic definition of the word "research" I can think of, and is inappropriate (as is editorializing in comments following some entries, like the note about how hte Liopleurodon was too big: this is correct, but should be included as part of the discussion in the main text and properly sourced). Dinoguy2 05:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

These were very good changes. I would like to see the discrepancies between the book and the program accounted for and better integrated, but this is FAR superior to what was there before.

Usually the book describes a well-known animal (e.g. Thrinaxadon) as basis for a similar, though lesser-known animal (e.g. the North American cynodont cited by the Walking With folks as evidence for inclusion of a cynodont in the first scene of the program, which takes place in North America) that lived in the location of focus in the program. Perhaps a comment to this effect should be integrated, at least as a start.Denn333 05:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Really, I'm pretty sure both the book and website are meant to be references for the program. Dora Nichov 13:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the unidentified animals should only be listed when it's not possible for the depicted creature to be anything else (for instance, if a Carnotaurus was shown, but not identified anywhere). That's rarely the case though; I just removed Dsungaripterus again. Jerkov 15:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, THAT case should be turned to "unidentified pterosaur" because no source states it and because it can be anything. However, those that are referenced in the book and website should be listed as such. I can't quite believe that the site and book would use the name WWD and is by the makers of the program, yet doesn't feature the animals. Dora Nichov 00:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

You're right, but that's original research/synthesis. If it wasn't named in the program, it should not be named in the article about the program, period, except in a prose (not list) section discussing the relationship of each episode to the book. That would be ok, as long as the book is named and properly referenced as a footnote. Having a ist of names followed by "identified in book" is not appropriate for this kind of encyclopedia article. Having an actual prose section which says something like "blah blah blah...the cynodont was not identified by name in the program, though in a companion book, Walking with Dinosaurs the Book, the cynodonts were referred to as Thrinaxodon, despite the fact that Thrinaxodon remains are not known from North America.(cite for WWD book)(cite for Thrinaxodon location info)" Dinoguy2 02:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and there are some changes you keep reverting that are simply incorrect. WWD is not a documentary, which by definition and according to even the article on Wikipedia is used to document reality. WWD is made in the style of a documentary but is completely fictional (like Spinal Tap). It's actually a mockumentary, or fictional "documentary". Dinoguy2 02:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think you just solved the whole dispute, Dinoguy2. This is an excellent compromise. Jerkov 12:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I did a bit of cleaning. I haven't reverted the whole thing, but I still feel the animals identified in other sources should be listed as such. I've done things so that they look tidier and the article is shorter as well. Dora Nichov 02:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The edits you made did not address our comments--in fact, they seem to indicate either rejection of our problems or that you are not understanding them. If you would like to cite the book, how about a footnote? The animal on the show is NOT Thrinaxadon, for example, as has been explained to you over and over.Denn333 04:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Well sure it's not Thrinaxodon, but I'm pretty sure the shark IS Hybodus and the bird IS Iberomesornis. Oh, plus you guys didn't even list the unidentified pterosaur in episode four. Dora Nichov 09:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, tell me, why CAN'T it be a Thrinaxodon? In the Triassic, all continents were pretty much connected, so Thrinaxodon could have been in North America as well. Remember that only a small percentage of animals become fossils, so just because we haven't found any fossils doesn't mean there weren't any. Dora Nichov 09:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

"Oh, tell me, why CAN'T it be a Thrinaxodon? In the Triassic, all continents were pretty much connected, so Thrinaxodon could have been in North America as well. Remember that only a small percentage of animals become fossils, so just because we haven't found any fossils doesn't mean there weren't any." That's original research. Jerkov 10:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be if I said "It's a Thrinaxodon because I say/think so!" But because the companion book, website AND encyclopedia identify it as Thrinaxodon, we should list it as such. Dora Nichov 12:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

A. The web site clearly states that it is NOT a Thrinaxadon. You've been told this before, and you continue to insist on things that are NOT true. B. At this time, I need to ask you not to revert DinoGuy1's edits. You are ruining this article and causing problems for others.

Thanks, DoraNichov.

Denn333 20:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

What is it about these prehisotric animals shows that brings out uncomprimising defenders of spurious fancruft and original research? This is getting to almost as bad as Prehistoric Park (one of my top 10 worst Wikipedia articles)... Dinoguy2 02:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

ROTFLMAO!! So Dinoguy2, your not just a hypocritical troll, your a liar as well. Their was no spurious fancruft and original research in Prehistoric Park, all my claims had in-episode citation which you even admitted at the time!! hence you shifted gears to fight on a subjective basis rather than a factual one. Yet here you are spindoctoring your failure and writing diatribes about what a horrible, dishonest, evil person I am! But then, your clearly an egomaniac so the idea that you where proved wrong must realy have eaten away at you. Nubula 04:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The website says it's not Thrinaxodon? Where? I thought it said it WAS Thrinaxodon. Besides, one exception doesn't count. The Iberomesornis, Steropodon, Hybodus, etc should be true though. And personally I think I made at least SOME good edits, like separating the animals only seen in the introduction and adding the unidentified pterosaurs to Giant Of The Skies.Dora Nichov

Dinoguy2... I suspect that these guys are hobbyists, mainly children, who no little about science and experience these films in a way that was not intended. DoraNichov himself, I think, is a child living in Taiwan, and takes great ownership of these articles. The only reason I stand by is because I came to these articles some time ago myself and could not make head or tail out of what I read. The hardest thing is that he simply does not understand the errors he makes. I chalk it up to immaturity and stubborness.

DoraNichov... I need to ask you to provide links for each time you you refer to a web resource. Embed the links properly. If you cannot cite your source, I'm going to have to question it as a false statement or original resource and revert such errors under Wikipedia rules. That is the compromise I am willing to make. Your other alternative is to put your speculation in as a footnote. Look at the the When Dinosaurs Roamed America article, which serves as an example of a well-written article about a similar film.

Do we have an understanding?Denn333 09:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

A CHILD IN TAIWAN!? Lol lol. What nonsense. I'll bet you'll be guessing my age, name and appearance next right? Don't make stupid assumptions. If you read my usepage carefully, you'll see that I'm a fennec fox in the Sahara. OK, despite that relatively minor complaint, I have to admit that I actually agree with you for once. I shall add the links. Oh, I think you say that When Dinosaurs Roamed America is a good article because you wrote it. Though I'm not really blaming you 'cause that's human nature, and fennec fox nature for that matter. Maybe that's why I keep reverting. Still, I believe that at least some of my edit is good. Dora Nichov 12:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

May I point out that the species shown are real, so you cannot say it is completely fictional. The individual creatures though, usually are. 70.184.32.37 02:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MORE SCIENTIFIC CRITICISM & CRITIQUE REQUIRED

This article urgently requires a section for scientific critique and criticism of the series since it is presented as a "documentary series" --inferring an acute and accurate reflection of actual events and occurances rather than caricatured interpretations.

At present, it sounds unlike a "documentary series" but another fan boy, love-piece; like unfortunetaely so many Wiki peices have become, which leave Wiki open to justified accusations of being a Wonki.

This, by the way, is not call for misguided Creationist cranks to attack this insertion. Stick to collaborative, easily verifable sciencific data.

I don't know that any scientific criticism has been published. It's just a TV show, which scientists understand, so they ignore it. I suppose you could dig up published sources that debunk each claim in the show individually, if you've got enough time on your hands. Many could probably be found cited here on Wikipedia already. A lot of it could be dismissed with a simple "however, there is no actual evidence for this", a nice way of saying "they made it up." Dinoguy2 09:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, a large percentage of paleontology involves guesswork. Dora Nichov 09:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually... well, to an extent. But the Walking With... series presents it as fact and doesn't address the numerous alternatives, which is very misleading. And some stuff is just plain made up, like the sauropod ovipositor. There's absolutely no reason to think sauropods layed eggs like sea turtles. Most of the behavioral stuff is simply based on random modern examples, not on any scientific evidence about the dinosaurs themselves (for example, the Liopleurodon jumping out of the water to catch prey, or the hypsilophodont social colony, or the symbiotic pterosaurs living on sauropod hides). Dinoguy2 13:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean. No disclaimer. Dora Nichov 13:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Documentary?

Someone keeps changing the genre to documentary. I would point out that while WWD is filmed in the style of a documentary, it is not one. Here's the reason. You may be familiar with the book Raptor Red. Is this fiction, or non-fiction? Why? How about The Sun Also Rises. Fiction or non-fiction? Of course they're both fiction. Are they based on reality? Yes. Could they have really happened? Sure. Did they really happen? No. Now on to television. The Making of Walking With Dinosaurs - documentary or mockumentary? Walking With Dinosaurs - documentary or mocumentary? The first is a documentary. It documents in film a real life event: the production of this show. The events really happened and nothing is fictitious, or based solely on speculation/artistic license. The later is based entirely on artistic license informed by science. It's filmic paleoart. It is not a documentary. Dinoguy2 13:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

At this point I've always agreed with you and I promise it isn't I who keeps changing this. Dora Nichov 13:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It's also possible the change just keeps getting lost in reverts I guess. Dinoguy2 14:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe. Dora Nichov 13:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't debate what you guys are saying here, but you should also realise that there are thousands of other so-called documentaries out there, which are simlar in style to WWD, but are as if not less accurate. It would only be fair change all these other documentaries. Singling out WWD and calling it mockumentary, a decidely belittling term if used for a documentary in its genre, is being unfair and unproductive. WWD was meant to be taken as entertainment and for representation of prehistoric life only. Everybody who enjoyed the show understands this. It was not meant to be factual and considered critically by professional paleontologists. Note that shows like Dinosaur Planet are currently described as documentaries. DannyLee9 18:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

They shouldn't be. And what's belittling about "mock"? It just means "false". There may be a better term, but calling something that's not only entirely scripted, but generated mostly in a computer, a documentary is just flat-out wrong. Dinoguy2 02:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Do as you like. Dora Nichov 00:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I've found out about Thrinaxodon! Dora Nichov 11:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

"Mock v. To treat with scorn or contempt;deride ridicule." 10:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SCIENTIFIC CRITICISM & CRITIQUE

Its been said that this article urgently requires a section for scientific critique and criticism of the series and as I'm home for the summer and I have the time on my hands to debunk each claim in the show individually. So is their enough support for this hypothetical section? if their isn't I won't waste my time. Nubula 00:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

given the lack of reply I'll take this as a no. Nubula 02:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

There should totally be one. Wish I knew how to. Earfetish1 (talk) 21:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It would be original research. Unless somebody has published a scientific critique we can site, it would be inappropriate to include one, unless it was very carefully worded. Dinoguy2 (talk) 00:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

Add {{User:Cuddly Panda/Userboxes/WWD}} to your userpage. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk · contribs) 01:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] THE UNIDENTIFIED CREATURE IN EPISODE SIX

I wonder what the dead creature that the T.rex scavanges in episode six is. I cannot think of a carnivorous dinosaur from that time and place. I read here that someone suggested it was a young Tyrannosaur. this does not make sense because in WWD Tyrannosaurus is shown as being a blackish colour, even the hatchlings. the creature seems to be a greenish colour.

Yeah. I thought I saw a dead small mammal in that scene too. Dora Nichov 09:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I have also seen that mammal but I saw a skeleton as well. the dead creatures seem to be physical models, not CGI ones which means that some effort was expended in thier construction and transport. If anyone can contact the guys who did the props and puppets for WWD maybe they could shed some light on these dead creatures. As for the mystery animal in episode four, I have no idea. 196.208.78.150 14:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC) 16:01 (CAT) August 2007

This would be interesting, but is also the most basic definition of OR and could not be used in the article until published in some outside source... Dinoguy2 17:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

What ep. four mystery animal? And yeah, that's an idea about the carcasses... Dora Nichov 14:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant mystereypterosaur. you know, the one that the ornithocheirus steals a fish from.

sorry, I meant mysterey PTEROSAUR. you know, the one the ornithocheirus steals a fish from. dsungaripterus?196.208.82.26 17:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Different crest. Hmmm... Dora Nichov 14:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you are right. But if it isn't dsungaripterus then what is it? and didn't a similar pterosaur appear in episode 5? Oh, and sorry for the double answer, my computer was a bit unruly.196.208.78.67 18:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

My guess is it's a hypothetical restoration of something known from very scrappy remains that hasn't been given a name. Dinoguy2 00:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The ep. 5 pterosaurs didn't have a crest. They are exactly what Dinoguy said. No idea about ep. 4 though. Dora Nichov 13:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Dinoguy is probably right. In walking with... there are often creatures that are based on fragmentary remains.For example the "enteledont" in walking with beasts is NOT Enteledon, it is in fact a generic creature based on fragmentary fossils(Enteledon is not known from mongolia) . Meanwhile scan the talk pages for basilosaurus, sea monsters and WWM/WWB. I may be there. 196.208.76.68 15:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It's Entelodon. The encyclopedia says so. Dora Nichov 09:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. That's strange. I remember reading on the ABC walking with beasts website that it was based on fragmentary evidence. Maybe I'm wrong. Still, that doesn't mean that the pterosaurs aren't still based on some fragmentary evidence. same with the "polar allosaur".196.208.80.233 14:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Those two are indeed based on a few shattered fossils. They haven't even been named yet. Dora Nichov 00:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. But how do they know its an allosaur? It could be something totally differant.T.Neo 14:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It could be but maybe so far evidence points to it being an allosaur. Dora Nichov 02:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

By allosaur they mean allosauroid. It has certain characters only seen in that family. My bet is that if and when it's descibed, it'll turn out to be a primitive carcharodontosaurid, based on age and location. But it may never be named or even described, depending on how incomplete the remains are. Back in the old days, scientists would name every scrap of bone or stray tooth, which is why we have so many useless nomina dubia today. Modern scientists are smarter about it: Darren Naish even refused to officially name "Angloposeidon", and it's remains weren't that bad. I can assure you those pterosaur remains will never get a name. We'll just have to wat for something reasonably complete to turn up. Whether or not the scrappy stuff comes from the same animal as hypothetical new remains will be impossible to tell because they're non-diagnostic. Just look at the problem with Titanosaurus. Dinoguy2 02:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Dora Nichov 03:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Carcharodontosaurid? You may be right. I remember the narrator saying something to the effect of: most allosaurs died out in the jurassic but these survive close to the south pole. I would have cut this out because of the doubt around this creature and (like in the american version) given it a generic name. T.Neo 10:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I was reading through the argintinasaurus talk page when I came across some guy who had said (some time back) that argintinasaurus had to be aquatic for it's weight to be supported. I cannot belive that he thinks that. T.Neo 12:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

hello? anyone?196.208.82.227 11:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Aquatic sauropods? Wow... that's like REALLY obsolete, it's scientific consensus sauropods lived on land. Dora Nichov 12:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

That is exactly my point! I isn't mechanically feasible, it's lungs would implode and it's neck wouldn't be able to move to a vertical position. T.Neo 18:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Its neck didn't move in the vertical position, only Brachiosaurus, Camarasaurus, etc did. Dora Nichov (talk) 00:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Even that has come under fire recently. I doubt that any sauropod could move its neck verticlly. (I went to a lecture where Paul Sereno argued this case for Nigersaurus). but some sauropods had a posture that would have elevated the neck. The heavier camarasaurus tooth ware is evidence that they ate tougher food (conifar needles??). T.Neo (talk) 13:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Driven to Distraction

Has anyone else noticed the number of times Kenneth Brannagh's commentary uses the expressions "driven to..."? Actually a serious point, as the one weakness of the series is the sloppy writing of the narration. For example, the repeated descripton that "X has evolved Y" in a way that suggests it is a deliberate act by the creature in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.6.17 (talk) 14:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you're right. The narrator often uses the phrase "driven to". T.Neo (talk) 09:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Next Chapter

What happened to it. Rodimus Rhyme (talk) 13:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)