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blocked - 63.169.210.5

This IP address was blocked as putting up external links to several sites. User talk:63.169.210.5 Yes it is my own personal pages of information on the Santa Fe Trail, about a 1000 of them I think. If you would look, every page that we put a link on is connected with the Santa Fe Trail in some way or other. We thought that people might like more information about this trail. If we did brake your rules we are sorry, just trying to help get out information. We would like to have the links put back if you see that our site is about the Santa Fe Trail. Thanks for your time and great site! Santa Fe Trail Research Site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.169.210.5 (talk) 02:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal pages are not allowed for a few reasons- we need sources to have some sort of credentials, editorial oversight, or some other useful purpose. The details are at Wikipedia:External links. I'm not sure whether your site would be able to handle the bandwidth that Wikipedia could pull in.-Wafulz 12:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Your edit to Bangkok

Hi. You may not have noticed that this edit inadvertently removed all the coordinates, since that template was used to place coordinates both in the text and in the corner. Thought you might like to know. Paul_012 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that- I thought the template was already elsewhere in the article. My bad.-Wafulz 12:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

TLA

(material is either redundant with Acronym and initialism or trivial)

I don't agree. At the very least you need to initiate a discussion on the Talk page before you take such steps. I'm not a WP expert and can't point you at the appropriate pages, but I know there are pages to describe the policies and procedures that "should" be followed.

As with most situations, it's not black and white; certainly not as black and white as you have implied/suggested. As the page describes, (described?) the TLA has a history and culture of its own that extends way beyond Acronym and initialism. You may think it's trivial, but if this is the case, then I suggest your opinion is based on ignorance, and I suggest you do a wee bit of research/investigation before unilaterally deciding to make such bold moves. Pdfpdf 14:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I went by the guidelines Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections and Wikipedia:Be bold. I don't have to initiate discussion- I've done this with other pages and not received complaints. There's no need to call me ignorant- just tell me you disagree and provide your rationale.-Wafulz 14:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Mmmmm. This is more complicated than I thought. First, let's deal with your response, and then move on to more useful discussions.

It probably sounds like I'm "splitting hairs", but I didn't "call you ignorant" - I suggested that if you held a particular opinion, then that opinion was based on ignorance. No matter. Let me say that it was/is not my intention to "call you ignorant", and I'm sorry that you feel I did. I apologise for my injudicious choice of words.

As I said previously, this is not black and white. I've done a bit more looking around, and found that it's even more complicated than I originally thought. There seems to be quite a collection of pages involved, including:

No doubt there are others too.
Then there's terms without pages: e.g. "three-letter agency"

The page Talk:Three-letter abbreviation contains:

This article is about three sentences of useful material (defining a TLA and an in-joke) and a bunch of trivia. I don't see why having a separate article is relevant.-Wafulz 13:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm thoroughly confused as to what you are talking about. If you wish to be more explicit, I'm happy to address your points, not the least of which is "I don't see why having a separate article is relevant." I do see why this is the case and, as I said, am happy to address your specific concerns. Cheers, Pdfpdf 14:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The "references in popular culture" and "trivia" sections are either trivia or random content to "fluff up" the article and give it content- the type of content here is frequently deleted because it's just an indiscriminate collection of information. The only part of the article that is actual encyclopedic material is the history of a TLA, which is about three sentences long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wafulz (talk • contribs) 14:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I now understand what you mean, and have some sympathy with that opinion. (Though I wouldn't want to delete those sections - I think WP needs to have some component of entertainment when informing.)

I could go on (at length) and develop a justification, but I won't. (I have some domestic matters that need to be addressed, and I'm running out of time.) I'll just present my suggestions/opinions and ask for your opinion.

My suggestions/opinions:

  • None of the content of any of these pages should be discarded.
  • WP does not need three separate (and different) pages for TLA, Three-letter acronym and Three-letter abbreviation. The content of these three pages should be merged into one of the pages (possibly into TLA?) and the other two pages should redirect to that merged page.
  • I agree with you that the case for these three pages being separate from "Acronym and initialism" is not strong. However, they do address a situation that does have a life of its own, so perhaps the so-called "merged page" (mentioned in previous bullet) should be further merged into a new section added into the "Acronym and initialism" page? If so, the pages for TLA, Three-letter acronym and Three-letter abbreviation should all redirect to this new section in the Acronym and initialism page. (e.g. Acronym and initialism#TLA)

What do you think? Pdfpdf 11:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Post Script: A lot of people have put a lot of effort into creating, improving and discussing these pages. No, you dont have to initiate discussion, but the fact that templates and defined processes exist to support discussion of such matters seems to me to imply that it's probably a good idea to use them. At the very least, it would be polite to consult these people before boldly deciding to discard their hard work. Pdfpdf 11:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm moving this to the talk page of the article in question.-Wafulz 01:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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Good idea.
I think it's now largely resolved. Is that your opinion too?

FYI, I've put the following on Talk:Three-letter abbreviation#Why should this article stand on its own?
(There's nothing of significance that's new. (Well, not intentionally!!) I'm just wanting to tie up any loose ends before closing the conversation.)

Yes. Again, I have some sympathy with your opinion. Accordingly, I support the changes you have recently made.
So where are we up to? (i.e. What's the current situation?)
<detail removed>
More importantly: Where do we go from here?
(Again) My suggestions/opinions:
  • Leave the current "new" situation as it now is, with the following exception:
    • Talk:TLA - redirect to Talk:Three-letter abbreviation
Your feedback (etc.) please? Cheers, Pdfpdf 08:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, Pdfpdf 08:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Helicopters in pop-culture

Hey, just a heads-up that the article for which you closed the deletion discussion was recreated as Helicopters in Popular Culture with different capitalization, but it's the same article. I already {{db-g4}}'d it but I thought you might want to salt. Eleland 17:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're active...

I'd appreciate if you would unclose the MFD for WP:TRIVIA. The guideline talk page is constantly beseiged by complaints about the trivia policy, and it makes it look as if the guideline isn't supported. People are constantly questioning the support of the page, but since polls are discouraged, there's no good way of deflecting those complaints. The MFD would be a way of getting general community input: if the guideline is as strongly supported as I suspect, it would be nice to make it clear to the nay-sayers. And I'm not worried that the consensus might actually lean the other way; see the {{trivia}} TFD debate that just recently concluded. Mangojuicetalk 20:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm really busy right now, but you (or any other admin) can unclose it if you feel.-Wafulz 20:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Remember Hubier?

He's not giving up: User:Connerybond1962.--Atlan (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Blocked, reverted, etc etc.-Wafulz 22:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, good work. I'll let you know when I see another sock.--Atlan (talk) 22:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Another one: User:Jamesbondltkill007.--Atlan (talk) 17:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Back at WP:Trivia

Ok, so you kept it. Good idea to try to use talk pages first. Also, what is so wrong with trivia anyway? I just don't get it. Cheers. --Alien joe 21:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Think about it logically: WP:TRIVIA is a guideline because the community decided by consensus that it should be a common standard. Deletion requires community consensus; if community consensus has said "this style guide is a project-wide standard", then it has a snowball's chance in hell of being deleted. It's tough to swallow, but the vast majority of people think trivia sections are a bad thing.-Wafulz 22:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

strange tag

Hi, did you intend to tag a user talk page as replaceable fair use?[1]. Just curious as the talk page is in Category:All_replaceable_fair_use_images. John Vandenberg 02:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I probably meant to use a warning template.-Wafulz 03:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Shoutwire

I'd like to hear your justification for deleting the Shoutwire entry. TruthCrusader 06:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

I saw that you closed an MFD for Wikipedia:Trivia sections, so figured you should be made aware: could you please spend a moment to add your 2 cents to Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Sections vs. collections and also Wikipedia:Requested moves#September 12, 2007? There seems to be a continued campaign to remove any mention of Trivia sections, but no real attempt to get alternative viewpoints to the table. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

List of all known weapons used in hogs of war

You haven't completed the Nomination of this article. (I'm telling you this because i'm waiting to say Delete)--Jac16888 18:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear God man, have some patience. It's been like five minutes :).-Wafulz
heh heh. What can i say, its a bad article--Jac16888 18:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Angry Nintendo Nerd

Thanks for creating the redirect...I would highly suggest the protection go back in place, though. The deletion log on this page is pretty significant. --UsaSatsui 00:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Putting the cart before the horse

Firstly, I would like to start off with acceptance. I do understand the actions u took. Secondly, before I begin I would like to state a quote:

If the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia.

I am showing the artist is notable to an article of their own, if an artist passes this then all albums created by the artist would also be notable enough to warrant an article, see above quote.. (Excluding Harry and the Potters - The Enchanted Ceiling)

Harry and the Potters - The Enchanted Ceiling
This is a fairly simple one, I would like to inform you that Harry and the Potters are a notable band and you have deleted one of their albums, it is stated under WP:MUSIC#Albums:

If the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia.

Therefore, the article (if possible) should be reverted to its original content, if not then I shall recreate the page.

  • I can restore this one.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

The Parselmouths

4. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country, reported in reliable sources.

The Parselmouths have been on a national concert tour in one sovereign country, this being the United States of America, and reported at King5 a reliable source.

  • The national tour is more like an "upper west coast" tour.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The wired article doesn't mention them, and it's kind of a trivial source if it just mentions them in passing. I can't see the LA Times article (unregistered, won't let me register), and the king5 appears to be a local channel.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Collaboration doesn't really matter.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

The Remus Lupins

4. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country, reported in reliable sources.

The Parselmouths have been on a national concert tour in two sovereign country (several times, this being the United States of America and Canada, and reported 1 2 3

  • These aren't good sources for establishing notability. Wizrocklopedia might be, but I'd need to know their editorial structure- if it's just a site where fans submit bands to be reviewed, then it's not independent of its subjects.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Again, I'd need to see the LA Times article.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Collaboration doesn't really matter.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

This is merely three of the eight, though I am in the process of collaborating resources to endeavor the creation of these articles. I believe the above three artists are notable enough to warrant an article and an article for each album they release. Hpfan9374 00:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

  • You should really try setting up articles about the band first and then proving the band's notability. I guarantee you that if an admin sees an article on an album with no corresponding article to the artist, the article will get deleted.-Wafulz 02:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Very well. Though I hope you understand that even if an article for the band does not exsist (however is notable), then an article for an album can be made. Hpfan9374 03:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I know that. However, admins deal with hundreds of similar articles per day. It makes our job easier if we can quickly check that the artist has passed a notability test. Anyway, I'll be off for about a day now, so I won't be able to reply for a while.-Wafulz 03:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

151 Feva Gang

how's it going? this article for the past few months has been in need of wikification or to be wikified as was previously posted, and i have been working on establishing the correct formatting for this article, so i can definitly understand where the issue of reader confusion may come into play. however, I must address the issue of notability for this article and the need for deletion of this article. There are many dynamics to this article which do need to be clarified in order to clear up the confusion about the topic, which I plan to do in order to differentiate the gang-affiliation from the actual musicians being highlighted in this article. Aside from that issue, this article contains links to un-biased and objective music critiques ie garageband.com as well as other published news articles pertaining to the culture that 151 Feva Gang represents. The 151 Feva Gang article is an exact equivalent to the Bay Area's Hyphy article, Texas's DJ Screw article, or Atlanta's Crunk article as it is informing the readers not only of these musicians, but a widespread, yet underground culture and style within inner-city New Jersey and the within the overall hip hop community which has not been givin proper recognition due to a lack of information. The Hyphy Movement suffered the same lack of information for years. I'm just trying to provide that information.

Notability of Lunia

Hmm im requesting teh removal of teh tag. Its notability is pretty good,if we're talking on terms of people knowing about it. I mean mmosite.com and Gamengame are good. also define notabillity xD!cause i dont get it >.> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru (talk • contribs) 22:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That's not what notability means here. Notability means that non-trivial, independent verifiable information has been published in multiple reliable sources (sources with editorial oversight). Specific web-based notability is here.-Wafulz 22:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Userpage protection

Thankyou for the semi-protection of my userpage. I was about to request it. You must have read my mind. Arendedwinter 12:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick action on the Kayla article Guthroth 12:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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Dear Wafulz/Archive 10! You are receiving as you are a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey There's been more new thing going on at WP:HOCKEY, and I think this will help you to stay informed. Since the last newsletter sent out in August, there's been great changes. Read on to find out! Maxim(talk)

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Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy has just been promoted to featured list status, while the bot was delivering the newsletter. Maxim(talk) 02:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

And I've just promoted Art Ross Trophy. And Clarence S. Campbell Bowl is at FLC. This should be the last update. Maxim(talk) 00:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
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New recognized content

By Maxim

Especially due to the featured topic drive, there have been many new featured lists promoted concerning NHL awards. Here's the full list of all the 13 FL's promoted since the last newsletter.[1][2]

  1. Featured article Hart Memorial Trophy
  2. Featured article James Norris Memorial Trophy
  3. Featured article Vezina Trophy
  4. Featured article Conn Smythe Trophy
  5. Featured article Frank J. Selke Trophy
  6. Featured article Lady Byng Memorial Trophy
  7. Featured article Lester B. Pearson Award
  8. Featured article Calder Memorial Trophy
  9. Featured article Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy
  10. Featured article King Clancy Memorial Trophy
  11. Featured article Jack Adams Award
  12. Featured article Presidents' Trophy
  13. Featured article List of Calgary Flames players

There have been no new good articles or featured articles. Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy has been given A-Class status due to multiple issues raised at FLC.

  1. ^ The last one, List of Calgary Flames players, is the only one not associated with the featured topic drive.
  2. ^ At the time of publishing, there were 5 lists at WP:FLC and 2 lists in the "Holding cell", as there's been an accepted guideline to not put more that 5 trophy lists at the same time to, "compensate for the sanity of the reviewers".
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Did You Know?

By Maxim
There have been 4 new articles featured in the Did You Know section? on the Main Page since August.

...that Wally Tatomir, head equipment manager of the Carolina Hurricanes, holds four patents on ice hockey-related equipment?

...that ice hockey player Mark Major attained 355 penalty minutes during the 1997-98 AHL season for the Portland Pirates, where he averaged 4.5 penalty minutes a game and still holds the club record?

...that Garth Butcher was a member of Canada's first-ever gold medal team at the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships before becoming a pest and setting team records for penalty minutes in the National Hockey League?

..that the AMP NHL Winter Classic is scheduled to be the first regular-season outdoor National Hockey League game in the United States?

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Featured Topic Drive

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Started by User:Scorpion0422, the aim of this drive is to make NHL awards a featured topic. A featured topic is basically a set of very high quality articles (good articles and featured articles/lists). In this case, the topic is NHL awards. Many users have helped, including Scorpion0422, Resolute, Serte, Hasek is the best, Maxim, Croat Canuck, Spike Wilbury, FutureNJGov, and T Rex/Dinosaur puppy. The progress has been very good; there are 12 featured lists promoted, and 2 good articles:

  1. Featured article Hart Memorial Trophy (Scorpion)
  2. Featured article James Norris Memorial Trophy (Scorpion)
  3. Featured article Vezina Trophy (Scorpion)
  4. Featured article Conn Smythe Trophy (Serte)
  5. Featured article Frank J. Selke Trophy (FutureNJGov)
  6. Featured article Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (Scorpion)
  7. Featured article Lester B. Pearson Award (Scorpion)
  8. Featured article Calder Memorial Trophy (Croat Canuck)
  9. Featured article Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (Maxim)
  10. Featured article King Clancy Memorial Trophy (Maxim)
  11. Featured article Jack Adams Award (Maxim)
  12. Featured article Presidents' Trophy (Scorpion)
  13. Good article Stanley Cup (Earlier collaboration, very many involved)
  14. Good article Traditions and anecdotes associated with the Stanley Cup (Maxim)

Check the project page if you are interested in helping out. Although it's closer to being done than not, there's still work to be done. The next topic that might be tackled is Stanley Cup, but this remains purely speculative and in discussion.


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