Talk:Wade Mainer

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Good article Wade Mainer has been listed as one of the Arts good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
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[edit] Evaluation

Close to B, could use a bit more content (probably from longer sources), and a free picture. If he got a presidential award, there is a reasonable chance there is a public domain photo in the appropriate presidential library. Also take a look at the way the sources are usedagain; for example, http://www.talentondisplay.com/kicprofiles04.html says "during WW II ... he couldn't afford to squander valuable gasoline on long trips to the radio station" which isn't quite the same thing as "couldn't afford", it implies patriotism or rationing was the issue, rather than just money.--AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the suggestions. I think that I have addressed all the issues. When I went to the NEA website, not only did I find a picture, but also another biography. I added in a few extra details about his early life, his position in J.E.'s band and his time performing for Crazy Water Crystals. I also went over each reference and made sure that I was using it correctly - I found one other mistake in addition to the one you pointed out: it was Eleanor Roosevelt, not FDR who invited him and his band to the White House. As for the one you mentioned, I'm not 100% sure that I agree with you, but I replaced what I had with the wording from the source, so that readers are free to make their own interpretations. Hopefully this is enough to make it to the B. I do think it could use some more pictures to break up the text, but unfortunately all his other awards are from the state of Michigan, which means that any accompanying are not free, as with the federal government. Cheers, CP 17:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Fast work! --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

There should be no references in the Lead, as it is only a preface to the article. --andreasegde 19:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

That is incorrect. Please see this discussion. References are not required, but they can be there if desired. Cheers, CP 00:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "In the lead section, both are permissible, but neither is required, as long as the lead summarizes the article (as it should) and all material requiring citation in the article is cited".
  • The comments show that nobody is really sure, but I'll stick with the Lead being a summary of what is in the article (and referenced in the article).
  • BTW, both "fingerpicking" and "clawhammer" in the Lead are not mentioned in the article.
  • How many books have you read where there are references in the preface/introduction? :)--andreasegde 04:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA assessment

Hi. I have placed this article on hold until a few problems are addressed. I will place it on hold for at least three days (unless everything is addressed before then), but after then I make no promises. I'll list the problems/queries according to the Good Article crtieria:

1. Well written

Pretty good here. A couple of things though:
  • There are far to many red-links. I think some, bar the most important, should be removed. It wouldn't be so bad if there were only a couple, but there are so many it's actually distracting. Y Done I left only three - his two bands and one to differentiate between Molly O'Days (Molly O'Day could be confused with the one referenced in this article) Cheers, CP 04:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Change the statement "he found religion" and "after becoming religious" so something more encyclopaedic and specific. I'm guessing he converted to Christianity? There are a lot of religions out there. Something like "he converted to Christianity" and "after converting to Christianity" instead. Religiously-themed should also be more specific, and wiki-link Gospel. Y Done Cheers, CP 17:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • In the lead it says his career was over seven decades, yet I count less then six? It says less then six in the article itself. So the lead needs to be fixed. Y Done I accidentally counted until the present day Cheers, CP 04:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

2. Factually acurate

No problems that I can see

3. Broad in it's coverage

OK a couple of things here. Please let me know if any are unrealistic or for some good reason shouldn't be included.
  • "Their biggest hit, Maple on the Hill" could you be more specific? How much did this sell, how it is clear this was their biggest hit? Y Done Sort of. I figured that the term biggest hit was fairly subjective, since it's likely popularity was not as much tied to tangible proof back then, so I noted where the claim came from. Cheers, CP 17:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "until he left for more profitable ventures" what ventures? Y Done Reworded to make it clearer what I was trying to say. Cheers, CP 17:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Could you expand on his influence? There is more mentioned in the lead about this that is not mentioned in the main article. The whole first paragraph of the lead is not mentioned in the article, and I think this, expanded a little, could be incorporated into the article. Y Done Move in the stuff from the lead and added a new source under "Later life." Cheers, CP 17:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

4. Neutral

No problems here

5. Stable

No problems here

6. Images

Fine here.

Anyway I'll place the article on hold. I don't think addressing these things should take too long. If you have any problems/queries feel free to contact me on my talk page. - Shudde talk 04:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I did the two easiest ones, and will do the rest tomorrow, when I'm slightly more awake, in order to ensure that they are done properly. I will also get rid of citations in the lead, since I need to clean that up anyways for it to conform to WP:LEAD's policy of not introducing facts solely in the lead. Cheers, CP 04:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I did everything. Please let me know what else needs to be addressed. 17:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Good stuff! I've passed the article. Great work, congratulations. - Shudde talk 22:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the review! Cheers, CP 01:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)