Talk:Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme

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[edit] Irrelevant information

Another setting by J.S. Bach is a chorale prelude for organ (Schübler Chorale No. 1), BWV 645, which has been recorded with cello by Yo-Yo Ma. This work is most often performed in an instrumental arrangement, without the choir, under the name "Sleepers Awake" with one performer as a soloist. Usually the solo instrument is a cello. The instrumental arrangement has made this perhaps the most performed Bach cantata and one of the most performed pieces by Bach. It lasts about 5 minutes.

I removed this text because it's totally irrelevant to the cantata. The portions concerning the cello, while not inaccurate, concern an arrangement of BWV 645, which is an arrangement itself for organ of the cantata movement for tenors and obbligato oboe. Thus, it is unnecessary for it to be a part of the article. This article is currently in a rather woeful state; I will edit it further soon. —Cor anglais 16 (Talk) 23:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to go on record to say that I believe this information needs either be included in this article or made into a completely different article. BWV 645 is a terrific and famous work, which I actually thought this page was referring to, until I read closer. Kntrabssi 09:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not new, but just updating people who are reading this later (like me) that BWV 645 has an article as one of the Schübler Chorales DavidRF 06:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More information

I have now added more information to this article, including basic musical characteristics and appropriate (read: Lutheran-specific, as Bach was a Lutheran) information on the situation with the lectionaries. More musical information from someone who knows would be welcome! In particular, I have heard that there has been a virtually exhaustive study of BWV 140 done, but I don't know who did it. It should be referenced! I removed the information regarding the Revised Common Lectionary, as Lutherans use either the historic one-year lectionary or their own three-year lectionary, not RCL. Furthermore, it is a shame that chorale fantasia is currently red-linked, as this is a great genre of music. I will plan to start an article on it soon. —Cor anglais 16 (Talk) 13:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

There might be more information to be found in these discussions. —Sesquialtera II (talk) 00:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrent instrumentation?

I wonder where whoever wrote it got that there's an Oboe da caccia? The score clearly indicates a 'taille' (which is apparently just Bach word for a cor anglais), and the oboe solo during the duet being a normal oboe. Maybe newer versions show the caccia, but the linked one in the one I've always seen. Anyone? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 17:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

There's no Taille page. I'm not expert on baroque precursors to the cor anglais, but I'll try to reword it... Pfly (talk) 09:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to follow-up -- there is a Taille page obviously, but it's not about the instrument. I looked in the Oxford Composer Companions: J.S. Bach book (ed. Malcolm Boyd, 1999) and found two bits of info. First, "taille" is defined as a "French term used generally for any voice or instrument which plays a middle, or tenor, part. In Bach's scores 'taille' usually indicates an oboe da caccia." Second, under the oboe da caccia entry, "... 'taille' is given as designation ... only when the instrument is used alongside two oboes." Anyway, I can't pretend to be knowledgeable about baroque instruments and Bach's terms for them myself, but I thought I'd pass along this bit of info on the topic. Pfly (talk) 04:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)