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Comments expansion on some parts (as state sophistication process ), mentioning Hussite Wars, etc M.K. 14:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Explanation needed

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< with the title didysis kunigaikštis which would be translated as High King according to the contemporary perception. The later construct for its translation is Grand Duke (for its etymology, see Grand Prince).> M.K. 20:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birth place

Well, actually Vytautas was born in Trakai, but not the current geographical location known as Trakai, but rather in a place that was also called "Trakai", and that was renamed as "Senieji trakai" (Old Trakai). A monastery was later built on the older location. Because of this renaming there is occasional confusion. <Lokyz>

[edit] Kunigaikstis

Please clarify the question in Talk:Jogaila#Kunigaikstis. `'mikka (t) 23:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Great?

I won't discuss Vitovt/Vytautas question, cause it's allready talked in archives. But the fact remains: you won't find in sources of 13-14 centuries name Vytautas. The same is with "the Great" - Vytautas became "the Great" only in 1920-1939 in Lithuania, when he was declared a national hero, even a bit a cult of a person. In 1930 was a Vytautas mania years, boys were named Vytautas. --82.135.217.70 18:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

There were no Lithuanian language chronicles at all, that is the case. Surprisingly, the boys are named Vytautas even today, and I know some :) Iulius 20:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Cult of Vytautas appeared in preWWI and interbellum years, please translate from lithuanian "Amþiaus pradþioje iðsikristalizuoja ir stipraus valdovo kultas, persmelktas romantinio individualizmo (V. Krëvës „Ðarûnas“, 1911, garsus pastatymas Valstybës teatre 1929; vëliau „Skirgaila“, 1916–1924, B. Sruogos „Milþino paunksmë“, 1932). Supaprastinta romantinë istorijos traktuotë, atliepianti jaunos nacionalinës valstybës ideologinius poreikius, ásigalëjo tarpukario laikais skatinama efektingø masiniø renginiø 6. Stereotipiniø „garbingos senovës“ vaizdiniø ideologinës eksploatacijos kulminacija tapo Vytauto Didþiojo mirties 500 metø jubiliejaus minëjimas 1930 m., palikæs neiðdildomø pëdsakø lietuviø vaizduotëje" [1] "Palyginti neseniai - Lietuvos prieškaryje - vėl plačiai pasklinda, ar, tiksliau, yra paskleidžiamas Vytauto mitas. Pasak Lietuvos istorijos instituto doktoranto Dangiro Mačiulio, šis mitas padėjo įteisinti autoritarinę Antano Smetonos valdžią." [2] --82.135.217.96 12:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I also do not see the need to include "the Great" within the article title. As per our naming conventions, "If a monarch or prince is overwhelmingly known, in English, by a cognomen, it may be used, and there is then no need to disambiguate by adding Country." I do not see how this individual is overwhelmingly known in English as "the Great". Additionally, it should be mentioned that he has also been known in English language publications as Witold. Olessi 20:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


I think "the Great" in this case is more like a last name, you could probably say Vytautas Kestutaitis or Vytautas Gedminaitis, but most of the people won't understand you. Now if you remove "the Great" at all, and call Vytautas only, you have other problem, because boys are named Vytautas in Lithuanian even today it brings a confusion which one are you talking about (Is it Vytautas the Great? Is it Vytautas Landzbergis? Is it some other Vytautas?). I think in these days it's most commonly used form. Tautvydas 15:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Approaching Good article status

Just a quick note: Editors may wish to take a look at Wikipedia:What is a good article? as it appears that this article may meet several criteria.--DO11.10 02:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)