Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Westview High School

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[edit] Westview High School

Non-notable high school. The linked webpage suggests no importance. Delete. --Slowking Man 07:31, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

Delete. This is little more than a placeholder for the web link. - Lucky 6.9 07:40, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Delete, non-notable. • Benc • 07:54, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable as far as I know and currently a non-article. Jallan 18:16, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. RickK 18:47, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable and uninformative. I keep inventing new personal criteria for high school inclusion. My criterion-of-the-week: if you were a teacher looking for a job, would the article tell you enough specific things about the school to help you decide whether to apply there? My previous one: if you were an alum, would reading this article give you a warm fuzzy, a sense of a connection, and a feeling that the article was written by someone who really knew the school? This fails both criteria. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:19, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • So until the article is complete, you think we should keep deleting it? Seems rather hard for an article to get up to your standards if you keep deleting it before it has a chance. anthony (see warning) 21:07, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Keep towns with 2000 people, keep businesses with 2000 employees, keep wars that kill 2000 people, and keep schools with 2000 students. Everyking 22:38, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Delete; two thousand four-year teenage students cannot compete with 2000 full-time employees, 2000 (often lifetime) residents, and isn't even close to 2000 extinguished lives. If we get some note to this school, keep, delete otherwise. Cool Hand Luke 23:56, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• • Of course, one can also look at that from the perspective that students are constantly entering and exiting, so there's an entirely new set of students every four years. Over time, that's an awful lot of students, don't you think? Everyking 01:48, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I believe what I'm getting at here is that an arbitrary number (especially one that applies poorly across categories like "high schools" and "war") does not automatically make something notable. This school doesn't seem to be notable at all (and I have very low standards). There are thousands of schools with this many students. If the few words chosen for this article don't set the school apart, it shouldn't be here. It doesn't even set the school apart from the 3+ other Westview Highs in the country! Cool Hand Luke 03:49, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I truly don't understand your point, Everyking. So, what happens over time when tens of thousands of Westfield grads to go Wikipedia and read:

Westview High School is a large high school of 2,300 students, located in Beaverton, Oregon, a suburb of Portland.

They're going to say "I always thought my high school existed, and now I know it does?" They're going to say "Gee, I never knew it was located in Beaverton?" Three years from now some Westview grad with a comprehensive and encyclopedia knowledge of the school will come across the article and say "Wow! What a great start! A beautiful skeleton article, all I need to do is flesh it out a bit?" Reread Wikipedia:The perfect stub article. People that write stubs are supposed to be doing it as a temporary, short-term expedient. They are supposed to keep working on it. They are supposed to have an intention of expanding it themselves "in a few weeks" if nobody else says. This stub is nothing of the kind. Who is going to write the article? Will you do it? Dpbsmith 11:46, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My point is that it is information, and information that I consider encyclopedic, for the same reason that I consider information about the demographics of a small town encyclopedic, although in both cases the info is obscure and of narrow interest. It would be nice if someone expanded it someday, but this little bit of info we have now is better than nothing. I fundamentally disagree with your opinions about stubs. I could be persuaded that all articles on high schools below a certain size should be deleted, but I can't be persuaded to delete an article with encyclopedic content just because someone thinks it needs more encyclopedic content. Everyking 13:26, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Then Wikipedia would be the Yellow Pages. It would be acceptable for anyone to go to their local Yellow Pages and type in information from every advertisment there, perhaps from every listing there. A little bit is often worse than nothing when more information is easily available through Google without having to go through Wikipedia mirrors. Short and uninformative articles are of negative value, an annoying hindrance to people looking for real information on a topic. Jallan 17:09, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Actualy, I believe this article is worse than none at all. As I mentioned, the school is not the only Westview High in the country: there's apparently one in Idaho, California, Tennessee, and possibly more. The information as it stands is therefore inaccurate. Furthermore, this is worse than a stub. It's not a good start: not one that would take more than 60 seconds to replicate. If you must save this encyclopedic information, we can mention the school in the Beaverton School District page (another questionable article). I just did--one line isn't intrusive, y'know. Cool Hand Luke 17:21, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Delete. Currently no evidence of notability. Average Earthman 12:32, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete: no evidence of notability, not an article. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:04, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. --G Rutter 14:58, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable and non-article. Jallan 17:09, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Comment. BEEFSTEW items: none; BEEFSTEW score 0/10. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 18:12, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Don't care about the beefstew thing, all pre-university schools, unless something notable happened there, should be deleted. This is no exception. --Improv 19:36, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Keep - A real school is a genuine community of (sometimes) thousands of people that has an impact that lasts the rest of their lives. There is always something unique and notable about such a community, the only thing that can be said in favor of deletion is that the deleter is not interested. It is their right to hold that point of view, but move on, don't prevent others from reading it. Mark Richards 06:48, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I have no problem with articles that say what is unique and notable about the school. This article does not. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 15:13, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Could anyone find something interesting about this article as it stands? Like Dpbsmith humourously said above, is a member of that community going to see this page and say, "Wow! What a great start! A beautiful skeleton article, all I need to do is flesh it out a bit?"
    I feel no remorse for preventing people from reading "Westview High School is a large high school of 2,300 students, located in Beaverton, Oregon, a suburb of Portland." Cool Hand Luke 00:39, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 00:42, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. What happened to the policy that high schools are in? anthony (see warning) 21:07, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)