Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jennifer Carter
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Jennifer Carter was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE
The only thing this girl did is take part in a pageant, she isn't notable. Edward 16:47, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. She is notable. anthony 警告 18:24, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Is it hurting you? Tempians should care about the article. I put the pageant name back in, no reason to omit it. Are the organizers shamed she didn't win? -- user:zanimum
- Delete: I'm sure she's for world peace, but a city beauty pageant is not remarkable. Even I have dated a pageant winner (Miss Poor Judgment Hiawassee), and it's simply not a notable feat to compete in a pageant. I'm sure she's very nice, but she is not an encyclopedic topic at this point in her life. Geogre 18:31, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- aah, bless, delete. Dunc|☺ 19:23, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Ack. Non-notable. Delete Do we want an article on every contestant in every local pageant that ever existed? Yes, I suppose Anthony does ...RickK 20:15, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
- Yeah, if we had an article on every contestant in every local pageant that ever existed we might be a comprehensive encyclopedia or something. Can't have that. anthony 警告 20:47, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- That's not enough. We'd better have 10 pages on every person on earth, because that's what we need to be comprehensive. Perhaps all their pets and posessions too... Delete this utterly nonnotable person. --Improv 22:27, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Why would we need 10 pages on every person to be comprehensive? anthony 警告 01:48, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Well, you tell us. According to your understanding of "comprehensive," on how many people would we need to have articles in order to be "comprehensive?" Would you include everyone or not? How many pages does it take to document a human life "comprehensively?" If we can get by with less than 10 pages on Jennifer Carter, why can't we get by with zero pages on Jennifer Carter? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:26, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I'd include everyone about whom a verifiable NPOV article can be written. I never said 10 pages for Jennifer Carter would be unnecessary, I said that 10 pages on every person on earth would be unnecessary (not to mention impossible when dealing with verifiable NPOV information). I'm not sure if we could find 10 pages worth of verifiable NPOV information on Jennifer Carter or not. anthony 警告 17:54, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Well, you tell us. According to your understanding of "comprehensive," on how many people would we need to have articles in order to be "comprehensive?" Would you include everyone or not? How many pages does it take to document a human life "comprehensively?" If we can get by with less than 10 pages on Jennifer Carter, why can't we get by with zero pages on Jennifer Carter? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:26, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Why would we need 10 pages on every person to be comprehensive? anthony 警告 01:48, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- That's not enough. We'd better have 10 pages on every person on earth, because that's what we need to be comprehensive. Perhaps all their pets and posessions too... Delete this utterly nonnotable person. --Improv 22:27, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- As I've said before: there are more facts in the universe than there are things in the universe. This is one of those things about phenomenology. No thing is just a thing, and no fact is a thing. Geogre 00:49, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Right, cause you've dated a pageant winner, and we can't have an article about any type of person you've dated in an encyclopedia! anthony 警告 01:48, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Well, that would be one disqualification, if that's all that can be said for her. There are more facts than things, and you would have us chase every single one, provided a blindfolded monkey at a keyboard types it out? Geogre 02:05, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you mean by "there are more facts than things". There are an infinite number of facts (just consider "1 is a number", "2 is a number", etc.). There aren't an infinite number of things (at least not physical things, if you include intangible things I suppose both are infinite, and considering that the number of facts is uncountably infinite I don't see how you could possibly say that there are more facts than things, at best both are uncountably infinite). How this ties into whether or not we should have an article on a pageant contestant, I don't know. The number of pageant contestants is quite finite, and the number of pageant contestants about which someone has chosen to write a verifiable NPOV Wikipedia article is quite small. anthony 警告 17:54, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Yeah, if we had an article on every contestant in every local pageant that ever existed we might be a comprehensive encyclopedia or something. Can't have that. anthony 警告 20:47, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. In my opinion, the notability of a future contestant in a statewide beauty pageant is comparable to, or less than, the notability of a contestant on "The Apprentice 2." For which the consensus was to delete. If she were to become Miss Arizona (and thus presumably a contender for Miss America?) she would deserve a line in the article about that year's Miss America pageant. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 21:11, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. I might be inclined to vote keep if I saw evidence that the people of Tempe consider this girl important, because it is a sizeable place. Everyking 03:10, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- She was named Miss Tempe, isn't that enough evidence of this? anthony 警告 03:00, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Sorry Jennifer but you're a nobody. :) --Deglr6328 03:35, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable at the time of writing, and not guaranteed to become notable either. Average Earthman 17:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- C'mon Anthony. Delete. JFW | T@lk 04:19, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-notable local beauty pageant contestant. Weird how it says she "will represent the city in 2003". Block Anthony for trolling VfD in violation of RfA decision and making personal attacks. — Gwalla | Talk 03:11, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Participating in a state beauty pagent is not notable enough. Indrian 06:30, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. I would vote keep if it was a neutral sensible article focussing on the person as a pageant entrant (their progression through contest, where'd they come out of, etc.). After all, a US state is virtually a country, and I sure would hope national pageant contestants can have an entry on Wikipedia (if sensibly written). zoney ♣ talk 21:11, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Encyclopedic, relevant, factually accurate, verifiable. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 00:56, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not really any more notable than I am, and that's saying something. -R. fiend 06:59, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- But you're "just a guy with too much free time on [your] hands". Do you think that everyone is equally notable, because if not I don't see how can you say you're about as notable as a beauty queen. anthony 警告 03:26, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Assign Anthony to write an article about me. I've created popular Web content with probably more exposure than this beauty pageant! Why am I not on Wikipedia? Ashibaka ✎ 22:23, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I'd gladly write an article about you if you can point me to verifiable information on which I can base the article and the deletionists agree not to delete it. In fact, just point me to the verifiable information, and I'll do it anyway and if the deletionists delete it I'll keep it in my fork. Some links like [1] and [2] will be good enough for me to start. anthony 警告 02:46, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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