Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Inglemoor High School
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Inglemoor High School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep
[edit] Inglemoor High School
Nothing on the page suggests this school is notable. Edward 01:29, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep and respectfully disagree. —[[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 06:47, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Nothing on the page suggests this school is not notable. Dr Zen 07:05, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. --Improv 07:35, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing on the page suggests this school is notable. Gamaliel 07:42, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Merge into Kenmore, Washington and delete -Skysmith 09:23, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep Reasons given on my user page. The Steve 11:14, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: It has an IB program. That puts it in the company of 1,100 schools in the US. It's one of the largest in WA. That puts it in the company of others as well, and size isn't inherently notability without something to apply to (i.e. the world's largest parking lot is still a parking lot, but if the world's largest parking lot was causing a microclimatic crisis, it might be worth a mention in an article on climate). Misnamed. Possibly worth a discussion in its town page, where this level of detail would be good, or in a big table of Schools of Washington State. Geogre 15:55, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, this school is notable. --[[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 17:24, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Good school stub. - SimonP 17:41, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, article fails to establish notability. Lord Bob 22:10, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. High School. Merge and redirect is acceptable too. anthony 警告 23:13, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Weak keep. The article isn't much as it stands, but that baccalaureate program might make this worth expanding.- Lucky 6.9 23:33, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)- The International Baccalaureate diploma had a 100% pass rate in 2004, but only 17 out of more than 1800 students took the diploma. That would probably be only 5% of the students in the final year. It's just advertising hype.
Delete.Changed vote: merge with Kenmore, Washington . Vanity. User:Simfish is sophomore at this school and likes to brag about it. Fine, let him do so, but not in an encyclopedia. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway Talk ]] 02:47, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)- Please cite your reference for this statistic. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 00:47, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Both figures are in the school profile on their website. "Inglemoor serves approximately 1860 students in grades 10 – 12" (School and Community, on page 1) and "IB Diploma Recipients: 17 " (Class of 2004, again on page 1). The year size is also given there in the SAT grades, 365 students. So only 5% of the class of 2004 took the IB Diploma and they all passed because only the brightest students were put forward for the examination. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway Talk ]] 02:38, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- What you're reporting isn't that surprising, really. The IB diploma is rather like an alternate Advanced Placement program. I taught at a place where the only students who signed up for it were the kids beyond the AP range. They had a 97% pass rate. Again, not surprising. The IB diploma is only selectively recognized by US colleges, but a number of them count IB classes as freshman year courses in college. Public schools are very rarely a part of it (although I taught at one), because the dues paid by the school are very high. It's not really a contributory factor in determining notability. Geogre 03:38, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Not that it matters, but many IB schools in the US are public. I went to one, for example. Mike H 04:21, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
- Please cite your reference for this statistic. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 00:47, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge into article on Kenmore, Washington. Not noteworthy enough for its own article. --Carnildo 00:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Based on these new findings, I'm changing my vote to merge with the Kenmore article and to delete this as a stand-alone. - Lucky 6.9 02:24, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete or merge. 'one of Washington's largest high schools' is stretching things--among suburban WA schools, 15-1700 is actually the low end of the range--many are well over 2000, some nearly 2500. Niteowlneils 03:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. High schools are notable. --L33tminion | (talk) 05:35, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable. --ShaunMacPherson 08:04, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge into Kenmore, Washington article - not enough of note here to warrant a separate article. Average Earthman 10:44, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- keep'. Yuckfoo 01:55, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. Indrian 05:36, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep - "notability" STILL isn't a listed criterion - David Gerard 10:13, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge into Kenmore, Washington article - or Washington school list. Not notable enough to have its own article. Xander 20:46, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Notablity not a deletion criteria. Intrigue 23:33, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I'm puzzled by people who repeatedly claim this. Is not triviality given as a reason for reconsidering whether a subject deserves a separate entry? Certainly the word "notability" does not appear. Perhaps those who use the phrase "not notable" should use the word given: triviality. I hope that would satisfy the problem with the non-appearance of a particular word in the guidelines. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 04:17, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- VFD is not the place to decide whether or not a subject deserves a separate entry. It's the place to decide whether or not there is consensus for an admin to delete a page. Whether or not notability is a deletion criteria depends on what you mean by notability. One of the problems with the term is it can mean so many things. As far as I'm concerned, notability is not only a factor, it is the only factor. If something is notable, then it should be kept. If something isn't notable, then it should be deleted. As such, saying that something should be deleted because it is not notable is redundant. anthony 警告 04:54, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Anthony, you don't have to take my word for it. Look at the top of the VfD page, where the possible outcomes of a VfD are listed as: delete, keep, merge and/or redirect, cleanup and transwiki. If you go to the deletion policy you will see that an entry that is "Such a minor branch of a subject that it doesn't deserve an article" should be merged. This and no other place most definitely is where Wikipedia decides as a matter of policy whether a particular subject merits a separate entry. I agree with you on notability, although it is a pretty nebulous concept. Notability to me just means "should be in the encyclopedia." We'll differ on individual cases which is why a voting process is the right thing to have. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 05:17, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- People who believe that these school articles are minor branches of a subject could merge them into articles about the school district without vfding them if that was their concern. Intrigue 21:15, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- VfD is like the Lord Privy Seal or the Holy Roman Empire: it shouldn't let its name interfere with its doing the role that has evolved for it. Part of its role is letting the community make some decisions that would be the subject of an edit war if we just relied on those who are now VfD-nominators to do the merge and then police it single-handed. This is where we get a posse together, not to hang anyone, but to make the credible sign that says "Encyclopedia rapers will be hanged, by authority of the West-of-the-Pecos Citizens' Committee" so that we don't need the rope and guns so often -- and don't find that the nominator (who presently can drop a dime here by doing the nom, & get back to plowing with a clear conscience and high standards) instead sees the rape go down, trades some shots with the barbarian, and (too often) ends up saying "well, i suppose the 'pedia can tolerate a few rapes, 'cause there's no point to hanging the rapists if i'm kept from plowing and my contribution to the 'pedia starves death."
- In a line, this is the only place where the nominator can simply say "this isn't worth its own article" and have a decent chance of WP (not them) making that stick. Making it stick amounts to it getting either deleted or merged, and putting a visible burden of proof on the child who wants an article on the biggest institution they have a sense of having a role in, with a big heading, to soothe their ego by crowding everything else off the screen.
- --Jerzy(t) 04:01, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)
- But this does not force other articles off the screen. Ask yourself these two questions:
- How many people will type "Inglemoor High School" into the search box looking for information on this school? (A small number, I think)
- How many people will type "Inglemoor High School" into the search box looking for something else? (None, or almost none)
- If the answer to question 1 is much greater than the answer to question 2 and that also holds true for things of the same type of the same relative level of notablity, then the article should be kept. --L33tminion | (talk) 07:58, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
- But this does not force other articles off the screen. Ask yourself these two questions:
- Anthony, you don't have to take my word for it. Look at the top of the VfD page, where the possible outcomes of a VfD are listed as: delete, keep, merge and/or redirect, cleanup and transwiki. If you go to the deletion policy you will see that an entry that is "Such a minor branch of a subject that it doesn't deserve an article" should be merged. This and no other place most definitely is where Wikipedia decides as a matter of policy whether a particular subject merits a separate entry. I agree with you on notability, although it is a pretty nebulous concept. Notability to me just means "should be in the encyclopedia." We'll differ on individual cases which is why a voting process is the right thing to have. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 05:17, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- VFD is not the place to decide whether or not a subject deserves a separate entry. It's the place to decide whether or not there is consensus for an admin to delete a page. Whether or not notability is a deletion criteria depends on what you mean by notability. One of the problems with the term is it can mean so many things. As far as I'm concerned, notability is not only a factor, it is the only factor. If something is notable, then it should be kept. If something isn't notable, then it should be deleted. As such, saying that something should be deleted because it is not notable is redundant. anthony 警告 04:54, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I'm puzzled by people who repeatedly claim this. Is not triviality given as a reason for reconsidering whether a subject deserves a separate entry? Certainly the word "notability" does not appear. Perhaps those who use the phrase "not notable" should use the word given: triviality. I hope that would satisfy the problem with the non-appearance of a particular word in the guidelines. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 04:17, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep - current(02:42, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)) version provides notability. JesseW 02:42, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Del, unless someone merges it w/ its town in time. --Jerzy(t) 03:40, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)
- Keep. Schools are notable. I don't see why we can't include all high schools and colleges. It's hardly as unmanageable (in terms of namespace conflict) a proposal as including all people. --L33tminion | (talk) 07:51, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep Wyss 12:05, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep The Recycling Troll 17:34, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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