Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Fred Ashley White

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[edit] Fred Ashley White

This is a vanity, non-notable, and/or spoof article by an anonymous user. The subject, who may exist, is said to be notable because of the two eponyms "White's sign" and "White's butterfly sign", apparently bogus claims (see above). This "surgeon" is a DDS according to biography on WhoNamedIt (ref'd twice in article). It is now gone, see Google cache for old copy.There is more discussion of this on Cleanup/October 4. -R. S. Shaw 23:49, 2004 Oct 16 (UTC)

  • Delete: What good do these people think they're doing? Is it a challenge? Since we let anyone write, it's a cheap thrill. At any rate, this is a hoax. There may be some feeb at the base of it all, but the citations are bogus and the claims are spurious. Geogre 04:19, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete; let this bomb just flutterby. — Bill 21:10, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Well spotted, R.S. Shaw. JFW | T@lk 21:32, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Very well spotted, R.S. Shaw. I also have a longer comment on Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. Securiger 00:47, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Don't Delete, just modify some - On the surface this this does appear to be confusing so we let our students have a crack at it. They love these medical mysteries (medical anthropolgy). So here are some of the results. On the cached info it shows he is a maxillofacial surgeon, not a regular dentist, huge difference, they list quailifications including skull surgery. [1], of which he was a member, but now appears retired. In it's roles it included a membership in the specialty of pathology [2]. The HCA stands for the Hospital Corporation of America, and there are multiple case studies archived like this. These were published after the HealthTrust private offering and the merger with Columbia Healthcare. The articles do exist. Yes, it's known that cerebrospinal fluid can be present with skull fractures, but in all previous literature it occured with Battle's sign, the article includes two detailed case studies that showed this phenomenon occured without Battle's sign. Thus the importance. As for the external concussions from a bomb exploding the lungs, this has only been recently documented, victims can have no apparent external injuries and the article explains Dr. White was there in the Middle East and he had more recent articles about traveling to Africa and on other blast injuries from the bombings of the US embassys in Africa. Associated Traumas My students tried to contact Dr. White at the address listed with the International Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons, and received an automated response, that he was on Sabbatical, until later this month, doctorwhite@email.com . My only suggestions are maybe make this a stub article, as with the other two articles white's butterfly sign and white's sign or let it stand. Samuel Everett, National Archaeological Society, nationalarchaeological@mail.com
    Note - Here are a few facts concerning the above text from "Samuel Everett": It was posted by a user at IP address 67.209.210.75. This address is from the same range as various addresses used by the creator of the three articles under discussion here (67.209.210.252, .109, .113, etc.). This address is shown by GeoBytes to be located in Ocala, FL, which is 17 miles from Citra, FL. Citra is the city of residence shown for "Fred A. White" in the new member listing of the American Academy of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology newsletter at aaomp.org.
    Note also that the email addresses given by "Samuel Everett" for himself (nationalarchaeological@mail.com) and for Dr. White (doctorwhite@email.com) are on free email services by the same provider (despite the slightly differing domain names). -R. S. Shaw 00:22, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)
    • Abuse note: My comments of 00:22 above were erased by anonymous user at IP 67.209.202.202. I have reverted that erasure. -R. S. Shaw 21:59, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)
    • Samuel, I'm afraid your vote does not count as you're still an anonymous user. For a medical eponym to gain encyclopedicity, it has to be around for a couple of years and be widely used by clinicians. Until this happens Dr White does not need three Wikipedia pages as a showcase of his genius. JFW | T@lk 21:02, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Del unnotable. --Jerzy(t) 07:23, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)