Talk:Voluntarism (metaphysics)

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Either the author is a philosophy student and is used to reading "sentences" that, instead of communicating a complete, duplicatable thought, are just a bunch of words thrown together, or else the author does not have a sufficient grasp of the English language to be trying to communicate in it. Nouns are switched with adjectives, verbs are omitted, phrases dangle, completely unintelligible. Here are the areas I find offensive:

"... the school of thought, which regards the will to the difference of the intellectualism (as contrast) and emotionalism as basic facts of the realization (i.e. as epistemological voluntarism) or as a nature, cause of the world-whole ..."

I can't even suggest how to fix that.

"...but more irrationally, useless dark, driveful urge, in relation to which the intellect represents a secondary phenomenon."

How about "... He considers the will to be an irrational, useless, dark, driving urge, in relation to which the intellect is but a secondary phenomena"?

"This putting out of the drive-detention-vital dynamics has influenced ... the philosophy of life."

What? And WHOSE "philosophy of life", pray tell? User:68.84.166.82

I found this thoroughly indecipherable, but I don't know anything about it, so I can't fix it.

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[edit] Non-sense

I think this page is a good canditate for the patent non-sense section. It would be nice if somebody who was an expert helped to fix it, since as it stands it serves no purpose.

[edit] ====== Agreed. ====

The page reads as if it had been written in German, then run through Google's Babelfish language tool wringer to convert it to pidgin (and meaningless) English.

Can we get a sociology grad student (and native English-speaker) to write up a comprehensible definition of voluntarism?

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I agree that this seems to have been done by Babelfish from German, esp this line:
"This putting out of the drive-detention-vital dynamics has influenced."
I hope somebody gets it fixed up soon - Sayfadeen 03-May-2006

I may have access to some reference sources on this subject - I'll see what I can contribute to making it more understandable. --Lini 11:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Have made a few edits which I believe help; hope to do more as I've consulted more references on the subject and on the philosophers and scholars referenced in the article. --Lini

[edit] Opening paragraph from article moved here

I am moving the opening paragraph, as it was prior to my edits today, here to the Talk Page. The first part of the sentence I have basically reworded in the article. The content of the second half of the sentence can be added back in, where appropriate in the article, if we can determine the meaning intended by the editor, in more plain English.

Voluntarism is the school of thought, which regards the will to the difference of the intellectualism (as contrast) and emotionalism as basic facts of the realization (i.e. as epistemological voluntarism) or as a nature, cause of the world-whole (metaphysical voluntarism of Arthur Schopenhauer) and attributes a thinking and feeling to the will (psychological voluntarism is desire against ones will, example: I would do anything for that apple)

--Lini 11:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Propose rename this Voluntarism (Philosophy)

Because there are both epistemological and metaphysical examples and people will get confused thinking epistemology is a subset of metaphysics which it wasn't last time I looked :-) Carol Moore 01:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)CarolMooreDC talk