Talk:Voltairine de Cleyre

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Contents 1 Death date 2 On Tyrrany 3 Fact Check 4 anarchy link 5 Dyer D. Lum 6 'Real Anarchist'

[edit] Death date

The timeline in AK Press's book gives the date of her death as June 20, 1912 not June 6. Does anyone know which is correct? What does Avrich's book say? Chaikney 17:52, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

June 6th is the correct date. Emma Goldman wrote in a memorial essay about Voltairine de Cleyre published in 1922 in the Oriole Press:

It was reasonably certain that a second operation, if she could have survived it, would have left her without the capacity for speech. Soon grim Death made all scientific experiment on the much-tortured body of Voltairine de Cleyre unnecessary. She died on June 6th, 1912. In Waldheim cemetery, near the grave of the Chicago Anarchists, lies at rest Voltairine de Cleyre, and every year large masses journey there to pay homage to the memory of America's first Anarchist martyrs, and they lovingly remember Voltairine de Cleyre.

The essay may be found at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Goldman/Writings/Essays/voltairine.html. Mike Dillon 04:21, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

So if she died in 1912, why does it say she wrote an autobiographical essay in 1914? — Ливай 10:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

A posthumous collection of her works called Selected Works was published by Mother Earth Publishing Association in 1914. It was a 500 page volume edited by Alexander Berkman. We could probably hunt down the quotation and determine the real date, or omit the date from the article. Mike Dillon 16:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Dear Wiki people,

Voltairine died on JUNE 20, 1912. June 6 is wrong. See Avrich, p. 236; "Famous Anarchist Dies," Evening Bulletin (Philadelphia) June 21, 1912, p.1.

Thanks, Robert Helms

by the way I have the death certificate. City of Chicago; June 20 1912; #16758 --R. Helms

[edit] On Tyrrany

"... so long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrranize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men."

Did she say that?

Yes, that is a quotation from the essay "Anarchism and American Traditions", published in two parts in December 1908 and January 1909 in Mother Earth magazine. It was also separately issued as a pamphlet and may be De Cleyre's best-known work. It can be found in the Anarchy Archives at http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/cleyre/amertrad.html. Mike Dillon 04:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fact Check

A recent edit to the article states: "In 1909, together with Lucy Parsons, she renounced anarchism and joined the Communist Party of America."

Yet the Lucy Parsons article states that Parsons joined in 1939. What is the source for this edit?

Upon further research it would appear to be Bob Black who added this sentence to this article, and the one on Lucy Parsons. Given the history of this individual with regards to the anarchist movement, the current conflict between two statements inserted by one individual, and the lack of any evidence provided to support it thus far, I'm going to remove it for now. I'm also adding a fact check request to the Lucy Parsons page.

[edit] anarchy link

I have switched the anarchy link from the first paragraph to actually point to the anarchism article, not libertarian socialism. It seems to me that, though at times in her life de Cleyre did lean towards what many now term Libertarian Socialism, her clearest self-stated ideo-political allegience was to "Anarchy without Adjectives", which I feel makes the link discrepancy into a cruel irony. Discuss if this concerns you. Jxn 00:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dyer D. Lum

The article says: "her teacher, her confidant, her comrade". Who is being quoted here? If it is de Cleyre, then there it should probably be rendered "[her] teacher, [her] confidant, [her] comrade", or some such as it seems unlikely that she whould have said "her" herself. It should probably be attributed to whoever said it. --Taobert 00:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It's from Hippolyte Havel's introduction to the Mother Earth edition of de Cleyre's works. p.12. Libertatia 00:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Real Anarchist'

I enjoy her concept of 'real anarchist'.

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[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by NantucketNoon (talk • contribs) 11:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)