Talk:Volkswagen Jetta

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Possible copyright infringement. See:

http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/8783/jettahistory.html

Bill 15:29, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

That page doesn't exist, so I don't think it'll be an issue. The article could still use a generous dose of encylopedic-voice, though. -- Crag 15:14, 2004 May 19 (UTC)

The new Jetta is pugly... but they have some clever ads. Not the first ones, where VW didn't even have the courage to show the car. --Madchester 20:33, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)

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[edit] Needs a dose of sense of perspective

Could do with looking at the subject from a more VW like (European) point of view.


Should we include the critical/public response for the A5 Jetta, cause it hasn't been well receieved, for its exterior appearance at least. --LeoTheLion 1 July 2005 17:26 (UTC)

Criticism of new vehicle models is often strong initially, especially among owner enthisiasts, but it usually dies out with time. I think it's too early in the model cycle of the A5 to discuss aesthetic criticism. Give it a year and there might be more objective commentary on the matter. (Consider, for instance, Chris Bangle's designs at BMW. The new 7-series was broadly criticized, but the new 5- and 3-series models, which take their design inspiration from the flagship 7-series, have been better received. Even the 7-series got a recent design makeover. Time and refinement tend to mitigate strong initial reactions.) --Maande10 01:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

All of the pictures are of sedans except the A4 picture, which is a station wagon ("avant"). For comparison purposes, they should all be sedans. If the wagon version of the Jetta, which hasn't existed for all the models (A4-only?), needs to be shown, it should be in addition to the sedan, not instead of it. --Maande10 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Bora Picture

Agreed, here in the UK the estate version of the Bora is extremely rare, in fact i have never seen one. Being a Bora owner myself the picture here really does not do this car justice. It would be good if someone could update this, I could add a picture of mine (no copyright issues) once I have got my head around uploading pictures! Infomonkey 13:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] At the bottom

What's this? "One famous individual privligaged enough to drive the Volkswagen Jetta is the world revered Number Six. With his Volkswagen jetta, birkenstocks, and headband, he strikes fear in everyone's heart"

[edit] Anyone want to integrate this into the article?

This section was on the Borat page:

The name Borat was also given to a silver Volkswagen Jetta, or Bora, that visited many VW Festivals around the UK. After an early festival, the letter "T" was added to the Bora on the rear of the car, and Borat was born in the automobile world.
The car featured a VW Votex kit (OEM parts available through the dealership or resellers), which was, and still is, quite a rare kit to be seen in the UK, although it features more prominently in the USA – where the Bora has always been called the Jetta (in 2005, the Jetta name was readopted worldwide).

It doesn't have any place on the Borat article, and from what I can see it doesn't merit an article of its own, so could someone merge this into this article? I don't have enough knowledge on the subject to do it myself, so if this information is relevant, then I would be grateful if someone could write it into the main Jetta article. Thank you! --Doug (talk) 19:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising campaign

Be gentle with me, as this is my first time on the talk page of an automobile. But I think the Jetta's current shock-and-awe advertising campaign warrants a mention here.

If you haven't seen 'em, in each ad there are a few friends talking in the car, just about random stuff, when suddenly, SKREE WHAM!!!, they're involved in a rather devastating-looking car accident. The commercials then skip ahead to just after the accident, as the friends are viewing the devastation, and one of them starts, "Holy..."

I don't know if I'm in the minority of people who've taken "whoa, holy crap!" notice out of that ad campaign, but if it's as successful as I imagine it probably should be, would information about that campaign be appropriate for inclusion here? ekedolphin 03:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies for deleting parts A4 and A5

My pc is stuffing up it won't let wikipedia change hence some of Jetta stuff is lost it can be repaired I tried but PC won't let me sorry for inconvenience.--202.6.138.33 07:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

     Fixed--202.6.138.34 07:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A little unprecise on the A4/Fox

There seems to be a lack of precision in this part:

In some European markets, the station wagon version was marketed as a Golf ("Estate" in the UK and Ireland, "Break" in France, "Variant" in some areas) and had a Golf grille, headlights, bumper, and fenders.

I can only speak for the German market ("Variant", as all VW station wagons are called over here), but the Golf Variant wasnt sold instead of the Bora Variant, but in addition to it. And, as the cars were built on the same platform, I couldnt state which replaced which, especially as there were at least two more differences: The (more expensive) Bora featured a higher quality cockpit and, afair, each model had also its tail-lights fitted to the base version.

Further, due to my knowledge, the Fox is not based on the Jetta. I believe it is based on the Polo model.

[edit] Organization

I think the Jetta moved up to the "compact executive car" class as of MK5, just as the Passat moved up to the "executive car" class. Confirm/deny?

This page is in a Complete mess. Can someone try to re-arrange everything.

Please sign your posts with 4 tildas ~~~~

I very much agree, the article needs major work. Perhaps you could offer some suggestions, mysterious user? Analoguekid 04:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

OK well I decided to do a little housecleaning on the page. I've moved the generation infoboxes so they line up with the text about their respective generations. I removed the excessive number of external links and put just the one to the worldwide VW site. From that site is it possible to go to a specific country website on the Jetta. As the car is sold in over 100 countries around the world, it is silly to post a link to each individual site. More cleanup to come.--Analogue Kid 20:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed the headings for the various generations get changed around quite a bit. This is likely due to the fact that various generations sold at different times in different countries. I'm going to remove the years and just have Mark I, Mark II, etc. In the article text, it can be noted that a particular car was sold for these years in this country and so on. That way we keep our worldwide readers satisfied.--Analogue Kid 15:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

12.168.67.36 20:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC) - Just to mention I did this, but there was a formatting 'bug' that may have only been visible on firefox (I didn't check other browsers), I just fixed it by breaking up the Infoboxes from one big list at the start of the article and putting them in the section for the various generations of car. The [edit] links were stacking up over some of the text in the mk4 section. This way the [edit] links are showing up right.

Good call, I noticed that too. Wasn't sure if it was just a fluke.--Analogue Kid 22:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested Merge

It has been suggested that MKIV Wolfsburg Edition be merged into this article.

I am opposed to such a merge. The reason is, people don't realize this but trim lines such as "GL" "Wolfsburg Edition" and others are very region specific. The only place you'll find them is in North America. I feel that it is nearly impossible to catalog every trim line in every market around the world so as to give fair weight. The Jetta page already has a globalize tag on it because it focuses way too much on the USA. I'm in the process of cleaning up the page and removing this region specific info, and a merge would just make things that much worse.

As for what to do with the MKIV page...I propose two options. One, it gets deleted because it's basically trivia and not very encyclopedic, so in a nutshell No indiscriminate information. Two, if people decide the page is worth keeping, it needs to be dramatically expanded in scope. Something like Volkswagen Special Editions or similar. The Wolfsburg Edition was certainly not limited to only the MkIV, in fact, every A platform car in the USA had such a trim at one point in its life cycle. Plus I'm quite sure there are special edition models in Europe and perhaps in other markets that may be worth mentioning on such a page.--Analogue Kid 17:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I suggested the merge after running across that page. I agree it should probably be deleted but I thought a merge suggestion might prompt someone to improve the article because it really doesn't stand alone very well right now. Stardust8212 20:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
It should be merged, its extremely relivant information to the Jetta article, and doesnt really work as a stand-alone.Tory 22:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Could you extrapolate on why it is relevant? A single trim line on a single generation in a single country seems way too specific for an encyclopedia that must appeal to a global audience, not just the USA. I'm thinking information such as that is more suited for VWVortex or some such enthusiast site.--Analogue Kid 03:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
So seeing as Tory has neglected to respond to the inquiry in over a week and no further objections have come up I think I'll just redirect the page here. If there's anything useful in it to make a Volkswagon Special Editions page or whatever it can be recovered from the history. Stardust8212 23:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

The article has undergone a huge improvement. It's well on it's way to becoming a good article. Some suggestions:

  • Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions the units should be SI in the text and Imperial in brackets and consistent throughout the article
  • Per WP:UNITS the units in text should be written out and the abbreviation used in brackets. e.g. "Luggage compartment volume is up to 453 Litres (16 ft3)."
  • It would help to make subsections (with 3 equals-signs) to reduce the long blocks of text. For example for the Mark IV the could be a subsection "Safety"

This article is coming along really well and I don't think it will take too much work until it's a GA. James086Talk | Email 13:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Some good suggestions, thanks!--Analogue Kid 14:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] +++

I wish all auto-related articles were this good! Thanks to all who have contributed. --328cia (talk) 05:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it still needs some work here and there, but I appreciate the praise.--Analogue Kid (talk) 11:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Mark" vs "Mk", and Jetta "names"

"Mark" is a pro-noun, whereas "Mk" is the well established abbreviation used for generations of motor cars.

Regarding the actual names - being as the VW Jetta is from a German manufacturer, then according to Wikipedia rules, the first name of the car, and its subsequent generations should always be listed as the original "home market", ie Germany. Any alternative names should be listed in the AKA part of the infobox, along with additions in the text of the article. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 14:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Mk may be well established in the enthusiast community as a convenient shorthand, but Mark is still the way to go for a general interest article such as this one. See Lincoln_Continental_Mark_VII for example.
Erm, actually, "Mk" is the established standard useage for professional motor vehicle engineers, etc. It is also the de-facto standard in the Oxford English Dictionary, along with the Collins English Dictionary. "Enthusiast communities" are not considered WP:RS - and so should not even be raised. The fact that you may have found another article with "Mark" doesn't mean it is correct! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 16:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you'll find if you read each section that it notes the name changes over the years and says "oh by the way, it was still called the Jetta in the USA" rather than calling it the Jetta all along. You aren't even following your own standards when you title the third generation as "Jetta Mk3" because it was called the Vento in Germany at that time. Thus, it's best to keep just the generations in the subject headings and explain the various names in the running text and infobox.--Analogue Kid (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I do see your point about reading each section. However, a number issues arise - firstly, "Mark" is the name of a male human being, and is never used (written in full) in motor vehicle nomenclature, secondly, to use "Mark" would create major issues when searching, whereas "Mk" returns far tighter search results.
The issue of the Mk3 being called a Vento is also noteworthy, however WP conventions state that articles must be named after the "original" name. The text in the relevent sub-section should be edited to read something like: For the 3rd generation Jetta, the Jetta name was dropped, and it was officialy named the Volkswagen Vento in Germany, and all other European countries. In the US the name was...... There is method to my edits. Rgds 78.32.143.113 (talk) 16:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

For the reference of any future editors, a discussion regarding this subject was undertaken at WP:AUTOS and the outcome can be found here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles/Archive_12#Problems_with_heading_names--Analogue Kid (talk) 20:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Petrol version MPG

Does anyone know what mileage the petrol versions are supposed to get? Diesel is all that's on there now... TastyCakes (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Because there are so many different engines, it becomes extremely tedious to list the fuel economy of every single engine and transmission combination. Since Wikipedia isn't meant to be a buyers guide, that information isn't really important. The reason the diesel is listed is because the figures are notable for being very efficient. If you just want information for your personal use, check out VCA or Fuel Economy--Analogue Kid (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)