Talk:Volkswagen Corrado

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[edit] G-Lader (G60) motor

I don't know enough yet about the G60 to do it myself, but the G-Lader supercharger is an interesting design and I think that since the Corrado and the Golf Rallye, which have both reached cult-status among European car fans, were powered by the G60 at least at one point in their productions that the motor deserves it's own page. Someone should get one going.

Yeah I agree - don't forget the G40 that they stuck in the Polo, too. God knows why, it was like a shopping trolley with a jet engine.

I included a link from the G-Lader description back to the scroll supercharger article (which is what it was). Gives a little more insight into the G60 motor.

--Bagheera 18:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Horsepower ratings

According to the Canadian Owner's Manual for a 1993 VR6 Corrado, the hp rating is 178 NOT 174. Same goes for the G60, the hp rating is 158 NOT 160 as documented in the Corrado article. Perhaps there was a descrepency between US and Canadian models though this is highly unlikely as the Canadian and US Corrado engine designs were identical to my knowledge.

[edit] External links

I thought it may be useful to have some external links as the Corrado scene is still extremely active --JonRB 10:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


Why are there no external links on this article? There used to be and now there are zero. Not the same with the other VW vehicle pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.104.97.194 (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 24v VR6

A big thing on the scene, especially in the Uk at the moment is to replace the 12v VR6 with the newer 24v version from Golf 4motion and R32 models. Its excellent, I have one myself!

[edit] Photos

Are we happy with the new photos? Firstly, a shot from above is quite an unnatural view of a car. Secondly, cars all look pretty similar from above anyway. Thirdly, it's been (subtly) modified and is in a pretty unusual colour. I would prefer to see a completely standard, unmodified car from a natural perspective, not somebody's pride and joy from three different angles. And a popular colour would be good, too - most of the ones I see her in the UK are black or other dark metallic colours.


I think that it might be even better to find a Classic Green- this was the most common color produced (usually with a red dot or grey dot interior) or imported to the USA.

[edit] External Links

On August 25 2007 Pc13 revised the VW Corrado article and removed all external links and has subsequently removed the addition of any other contributed links to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.104.97.194 (talk • contribs)

Yes, I did. External links to car clubs contribute nothing to the article itself. See WP:LINKS. --Pc13 07:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry buddy, but you're an absolute idiot if you think for a second that those external links represent spam. Most of the sites listed are geared towards Corrado enthusiasts - the bloody car is an enthusiast auto. I just don't see how you're on point. If nothing else some other nutral parties need to stop by and give their input. Looking through your revision history on this article, it is pretty clear that you just came in out of nowhere and dumped a bunch of info. Not to mention, half of your edit/rewrite includes no sources whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.229.186 (talk • contribs)
Regardless of me being an absolute idiot who came out of nowhere, compared to your vast body of contributions as an anonymous user, if those links don't contribute to enhance the article, then they're not supposed to be here. See WP:LINKS (most specifically this section and WP:NOT. Car clubs violate points 1 and 4, and sometimes 5 (namely, VR6 Owners Club, which doesn't even deal directly with the Corrado) of the avoidable links guidelines. If any of those sites actually contained encyclopedic information then they could be kept as sources, but those sites all cover the Corrado in a very superficial manner. Whether the car is an enthusiast car or not is irrelevant, Wikipedia does not exist to serve the enthusiasts, but to provide information to the general public. --Pc13 10:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to see this devolve into name calling, I disagree with the statement that the external links listed in the history of this article represent spam. Quite to the contrary, the sites listed are helpful and informative to the reader. Unfortunately, the current article fails to mention the degree to which the Corrado has become an enthusiast automobile and as Richard Hammond said, a modern classic. As an enthusiast car, external links directing the reader to a handful of non-commercial websites devoted to the Corrado is very much appropriate. I appreciate the editors view that the links do not meet the Wikipedia guidelines however, I strongly disagree.
Going through the link provided listing what Wikipedia is NOT - I don't see how any of the specific listed examples apply to this case. You might try to argue that those links would run afoul of 2.6, that Wikipedia is not a directory, but the amount of links would need to be excessive, which they were not and also not informative which they were. Furthermore, you specifically pointed out that you thought the links violated point 1, 4 and sometimes 5. Well, lets take for example the site http://www.corrado-club.com/. The website has an entire page (http://www.corrado-club.com/corrado/faq/wheel-tire.html) devoted as a Wheel and Tire guide listing historical specs on the tires/wheels offered on the car since it's introduction. This is information not listed in this Wikipedia article and is a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured Article. You also said that the link listings violated point 4, "Links mainly intended to promote a website." You have no basis or proof to back up the statement that those external links main intention was to spam and not provide information. You go on to say that the external links may also fall under point 5, "Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services." I'm sorry, but thats just lame. Going through the sites it would seem a big stretch to think that those links/websites are commercial or for profit. I just don't see how you can justify removing wholesale the entire External Links listing. I appreciate anyone that takes the time to edit and help build Wikipedia. After-all it is what drives this community and I just want to thank you for helping. Lets help each other add more info to this article and let viewers find out about the car and the unique community that surrounds it instead of focusing on what should not go into the article. Thank you again Pc13. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.104.97.194 (talk • contribs)
If you really want to improve this article by using external sources as reference, I suggest searching for books rather than club websites. The sites you want to add to the link section offer little information. I know about these types of sites from when I tried to add information to Opel Ascona and Ford Capri -- finding useful impartial info online was tough. Furthermore, being enthusiast sites, they are prone to exageration and no small amount of deification of their respective cars. Corrado-club.com, which you pointed out, has a section linking to commercial sites, just like the VR6 Owners Club website. Some information is available on how to improve, restore or maintain the car, but there is no actual history section, and even the specification tables raise some doubts, such as the fact, claimed by another former editor to this article, that the US-spec Corrado VR6's 2.8 litre engine had an output of 178 hp (132 kW, or 180 PS --> metric horsepower), compared to the normally quoted 174 PS (128 kW, or 172 hp) found in the Euro-spec Golf, Vento and Passat (the European Corrado VR6 had a 2.9 litre engine only), and what modifications were done to achieve the extra power. Adding club websites just to have a link section is not helpful to the main article, and that's where the spam comes from. Unless they actually contribute anything to the amount of information available in the Corrado article, there's no point in adding them. Being a gathering point for Corrado owners is not enough to warrant a link from Wikipedia. --Pc13 21:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that cases regarding autos such as the corrado, where they have a particular cult following, of have long been discontinued by their manufacturer, it is appropriate to list car specific groups. Especially if they provide additional vehicle information. There is likely no official he support for the car anymore and VW does not have an official site up for the car. Other autos on wikipedia known for a close club racing and car following also have external links listing communities revolving around that particular model ie, Porsche 944, Mazda Miata, BMW 2002 all have club listings listed in their wiki article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.150.180.65 (talk) 21:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Responding to the request for comment, I think some of the provided links do appear to provide useful information to people researching this subject. I would exclude The VR6 Owers Club. Useful information is not easily apparent at this site. The Corrado VR6 Information Site would certainly be helpful, and the Corrado Club of Great Britain appears somewhat useful. I have altered the link to the "Corrado Club of America" to more specifically point to auto information rather than marketing. I cannot comment on the Germany Club. I hope this helps. Saraalan 03:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment