Talk:Vladimir (disambiguation)

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[edit] Best name for the article's location

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  • There is No city of Vladimir in English Wikipedia???? The page Vladimir is a Disambig page with
Vladimir — a city in Russia

refering to Vladimir, Russia that is simply a redirect back to disambig! abakharev 01:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Wrong, there are two of them now: Vladimir, Russia & Vladimir (city). mikka (t) 02:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

We need one place to discuss these issues and I suggest to discuss it here of all talk pages (talk:Vladimir, Russia, talk:Vladimir (city), etc.)
It seems to me, that the city article, should be under Vladimir with "otheruses" template on top, which will bring up a Vladimir (disambiguation) with all the other meanings. When someone enter Vladimir, the city is a more likely aim (I think), than the article about the name Vladimir name, St. Vladimir or other meanings. We have a convention to do it as I am proposing in such cases, while I may be wrong in my assumption that the city is by far the most likely aim of the Vladimir search. With the mess with several articles +DABs we might have to go through a WP:RM vote, but I am willing to submit a proposal, should we agree on it in principle "in the family". Regards, --Irpen 03:31, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
Of course. Click "what links here" and you'll see that 90% of redirects refer to the former capital of Russia. --Ghirlandajo 05:42, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brevity of DAB

Since the main purpose of the DAB articles is to direct the reader elsewhere, I think it is more correct to have the encyclopedic material (like name etymology) at a separate article Vladimir (name), where I moved it back. I moved the newest version, which I edited somewhat. Hope others agree with this option. --Irpen 21:28, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Too many Vladimirs now

I don' think people like Nabokov, Mayakovskiy, Putin, etc. are ever referred to as simply "Vladimir". As such, they should not be at this DAB. OTOH I would add Vovochka I am less sure about Lenin. Maybe he gets in via Vovochka. Objections? --Irpen 04:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I would guess whoever listed these people just added most famous Vladimirs. Vovochka would be a good addition; as for removals, if you feel a cleanup is in order, dive right in, although I would guess people who would land on this page would most likely be those who can easily remember Mayakovsky's, Putin's, or Nabokov's first name, but forget their last names (or not know the spelling). If anyone objects, I am sure they will make themselves heard. I myself would definitely remove Didi. I do not feel strongly about keeping/removing others—either way is probably fine (I, however, do not think the list is too long). In any case, this is hardly a high-traffic page.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 04:27, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
We can make a list article for this purpose, something like List of notable people with first name Vladimir. Otherwise, all Vladimirs notable for an article would get at DAB. Do we need Vladimir Bessonov, a soccer player, also listed at Vladimir (disambiguation)?
The DAB should serve to disambiguate between people mostly known as simply Vladimirs. These usually apply to kings, tsars, other rulers and saints. I would just leave those here and add Vovochka (currently a redirect to Russian joke I just created. I will wait a little bit for objections before striking down several names from this list. --Irpen 05:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
I think a separate list of notable Vladimirs is a great idea!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Please don't invent bicycles. Done. See. mikka (t) 03:23, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Mikka!!! --Irpen 06:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)