User talk:Vizcarra/November 2005

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Contents 1 Orkut account 2 La perla 3 RFA 4 Thank you 5 Christianity 6 Trotsky 7 Orkut 8 Nationalities 9 A Question... 10 Navy ships of France 11 Mexipop 12 Angelica Maria 13 UMM... 14 Diesel Nacional 15 Orkut account 16 La perla 17 RFA 18 Thank you 19 Christianity 20 Trotsky 21 Orkut 22 Nationalities 23 A Question... 24 Navy ships of France 25 Invitation to Edit diverse pages 26 Mexipop 27 Angelica Maria 28 UMM... 29 Diesel Nacional

[edit] Orkut account

I wasn't aware that Orkut required invitations to participate, but I think I am likely to give up using it entirely because it now requires a Google Account to log in, and I don't want to get a Google Account. Schoen 02:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the Gmail account will let you join Orkut -- but in any case, I probably can't help you because I can't log into my account without creating a Google Account. Perhaps you could try posting on Craigslist. Schoen 06:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] La perla

I'm not sure exactly why you posted that diff link to my talk page. Could you explain? Superm401 | Talk 02:12, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RFA

Since you have experience editing in the contentious Israel/Palestine articles, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ramallite. The candidacy is a close one, and I believe you are familiar with Ramallite, who has broad support from across the spectrum of POVs. Your input would be valuable. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 21:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite ^(talk) 04:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity

Str1977 & Vizcarra: Please take the "revert" dispute to the talk page so others can help resolve the impasse. Thanks. KHM03 21:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trotsky

Hey, como estas?

I would leave him out, unless he took Mexican nationality. What do you think?

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 15:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Perfecto! Saludos. :) Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 18:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Orkut

← My answer for your question. ;)

obs: transfered the conversation to there.

--Cawas 18:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you too! ^_^

--Cawas 02:44, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nationalities

Merely being born in France doesn't make one either ethnically French or of French nationality; the former is a matter of one's parentage, the latter is a legal issue. Please don't populate small categories with these dubious cases, esepcially if the objective is to make a category at CfD appear more useful and important than it actually is. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The categories is not about genetics. Asians born in the US are Asian-Americans, even when no genetic change has occurred. "Please don't populate small categories with these dubious cases, esepcially if the objective is to make a category at CfD appear more useful and important than it actually is"... wikipedia:assume good faith --Vizcarra 18:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

But the "Americans" part concerns the legal matter of nationality; being born in most countries, however, doesn't automatically make one a citizen (and I believe that this is true of France). Moreover, having what seems to be at most one grandparent of a certain nationality surely isn't enough (some of the se people would have to come under four categories just to cover their supposed ethnicity).

I did say "if", but I apologise anyway. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, if the cases are dubious, challenge them. So that the other party may provide proof of, in this case, French ancestry. "[H]aving ... most one grandparent of a certain nationality surely isn't enough". Well, that is a POV, isn't it? --Vizcarra 19:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A Question...

Should we add a category for Spanish Mexicans? I mean, i know most Mexicans have Spanish blood but we can do it like the others; only consider them if they're born in or have family (only as far as grandparents) that was born in Spain if them and most of their family was born in Mexico. You get what i mean right? I hope so... Well, There's also a category for Italian-Argentines and we all know that most of them have Italian blood. >>> Sagitario 04:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Navy ships of France

maybe vote on Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_10#Category:French_naval_ships_and_sub-categories Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mexipop

Gracias por el tip! AugustoRomero

[edit] Angelica Maria

How is she considered a Mexican-American actress and not a Mexican actress? I mean, of course she was born in the United States but has she done any acting there? Was she raised there? I would consider her a Mexican, but not Mexican-American, unless she has Mexican parents but that is not stated. Her father is a German-American and her mother could be anything for all we know. So she would be considered an American-Mexican, not a Mexican-American. >>> Sagitario 18:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

In that case, she sould only be in the categories; Mexican actors (because she was raised in Mexico, where she also began her career) and American actors (because she was born in the US). I think the whole "Mexican American actors, singers, artists, etc." categories are not needed. You don't see categories like those on Italian Americans, French Americans, etc. In fact, no matter what the occupation of the person is, they're all categorized in the same category. Category:Italian-Americans includes singers, actors, artists, politicians, etc. There's no need for those special categories in my opinion. >>> Sagitario 18:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] UMM...

Galician-Mexicans, Basque Mexicans, and Catalonian-Mexicans? Don't you think that's a little too much? We all know that those are regions in Spain so why not just categorize them under Spanish Mexicans? What's Next? Castillian-Mexicans? or even Roman and Sicilian-Mexicans? >>> Sagitario 02:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Why do you keep creating these un-needed categories? It's not like they'll ever be filled enough to be considered "categories". Just categorize those people in Spanish Mexicans. You might as well just quit, they'll probably be nominated for deletion soon anyway. >>> Sagitario 21:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, i DO consider them un-needed (and exagerated), as well as some other other "Mexican American actors" etc. categories. I'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks this, and you're not the only one who edits here so don't get mad if i make a few changes to your articles/categories. If you don't like it then sorry but don't edit. >>> Sagitario 22:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Reply: Category_talk:Spanish_Mexicans#Additional_categories >>> Sagitario 23:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Diesel Nacional

Hi - I just moved an article that was created as Dina Viaggo (sic) to DINA S.A., then discovered an article you had contributed to called Diesel Nacional. They are for the same company, but I wanted to get your opinion on which we should delete. I think most in the US know the company as DINA, through their one-time stake in Motor Coach Industries and the imported motor coach DINA Viaggio. Do you have an opinion? RXUYDC 00:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Orkut account

I wasn't aware that Orkut required invitations to participate, but I think I am likely to give up using it entirely because it now requires a Google Account to log in, and I don't want to get a Google Account. Schoen 02:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the Gmail account will let you join Orkut -- but in any case, I probably can't help you because I can't log into my account without creating a Google Account. Perhaps you could try posting on Craigslist. Schoen 06:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] La perla

I'm not sure exactly why you posted that diff link to my talk page. Could you explain? Superm401 | Talk 02:12, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RFA

Since you have experience editing in the contentious Israel/Palestine articles, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ramallite. The candidacy is a close one, and I believe you are familiar with Ramallite, who has broad support from across the spectrum of POVs. Your input would be valuable. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 21:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite ^(talk) 04:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity

Str1977 & Vizcarra: Please take the "revert" dispute to the talk page so others can help resolve the impasse. Thanks. KHM03 21:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trotsky

Hey, como estas?

I would leave him out, unless he took Mexican nationality. What do you think?

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 15:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Perfecto! Saludos. :) Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 18:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Orkut

← My answer for your question. ;)

obs: transfered the conversation to there.

--Cawas 18:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you too! ^_^

--Cawas 02:44, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nationalities

Merely being born in France doesn't make one either ethnically French or of French nationality; the former is a matter of one's parentage, the latter is a legal issue. Please don't populate small categories with these dubious cases, esepcially if the objective is to make a category at CfD appear more useful and important than it actually is. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The categories is not about genetics. Asians born in the US are Asian-Americans, even when no genetic change has occurred. "Please don't populate small categories with these dubious cases, esepcially if the objective is to make a category at CfD appear more useful and important than it actually is"... wikipedia:assume good faith --Vizcarra 18:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

But the "Americans" part concerns the legal matter of nationality; being born in most countries, however, doesn't automatically make one a citizen (and I believe that this is true of France). Moreover, having what seems to be at most one grandparent of a certain nationality surely isn't enough (some of the se people would have to come under four categories just to cover their supposed ethnicity).

I did say "if", but I apologise anyway. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, if the cases are dubious, challenge them. So that the other party may provide proof of, in this case, French ancestry. "[H]aving ... most one grandparent of a certain nationality surely isn't enough". Well, that is a POV, isn't it? --Vizcarra 19:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A Question...

Should we add a category for Spanish Mexicans? I mean, i know most Mexicans have Spanish blood but we can do it like the others; only consider them if they're born in or have family (only as far as grandparents) that was born in Spain if them and most of their family was born in Mexico. You get what i mean right? I hope so... Well, There's also a category for Italian-Argentines and we all know that most of them have Italian blood. >>> Sagitario 04:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Navy ships of France

maybe vote on Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_10#Category:French_naval_ships_and_sub-categories Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to Edit diverse pages

I've noticed you're really active in Wikipedia and I'm new here. I've contributed to some articles and would really appreciate your input on any of the subjects that might interest you:

• 1. Desafuero. I put some comments on the discussion page.
• 2. Carlos Salinas. Made some heavy edits: contributed to the discussion on the December Mistakes, added references to other Salinas controversies, etc.
• 3. TV Azteca. Added a section on the Privatization and related scandal.
• 4. Cantinflas. Minor miscellaneous changes.
• 5. Cronopio. Created stub article for these fictional creatures in Julio Cortazar's work.
• 6. Placebo. Changed structure of the entry, added sections, etc.

[edit] Mexipop

Gracias por el tip! AugustoRomero

[edit] Angelica Maria

How is she considered a Mexican-American actress and not a Mexican actress? I mean, of course she was born in the United States but has she done any acting there? Was she raised there? I would consider her a Mexican, but not Mexican-American, unless she has Mexican parents but that is not stated. Her father is a German-American and her mother could be anything for all we know. So she would be considered an American-Mexican, not a Mexican-American. >>> Sagitario 18:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

In that case, she sould only be in the categories; Mexican actors (because she was raised in Mexico, where she also began her career) and American actors (because she was born in the US). I think the whole "Mexican American actors, singers, artists, etc." categories are not needed. You don't see categories like those on Italian Americans, French Americans, etc. In fact, no matter what the occupation of the person is, they're all categorized in the same category. Category:Italian-Americans includes singers, actors, artists, politicians, etc. There's no need for those special categories in my opinion. >>> Sagitario 18:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] UMM...

Galician-Mexicans, Basque Mexicans, and Catalonian-Mexicans? Don't you think that's a little too much? We all know that those are regions in Spain so why not just categorize them under Spanish Mexicans? What's Next? Castillian-Mexicans? or even Roman and Sicilian-Mexicans? >>> Sagitario 02:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Why do you keep creating these un-needed categories? It's not like they'll ever be filled enough to be considered "categories". Just categorize those people in Spanish Mexicans. You might as well just quit, they'll probably be nominated for deletion soon anyway. >>> Sagitario 21:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, i DO consider them un-needed (and exagerated), as well as some other other "Mexican American actors" etc. categories. I'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks this, and you're not the only one who edits here so don't get mad if i make a few changes to your articles/categories. If you don't like it then sorry but don't edit. >>> Sagitario 22:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Reply: Category_talk:Spanish_Mexicans#Additional_categories >>> Sagitario 23:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Diesel Nacional

Hi - I just moved an article that was created as Dina Viaggo (sic) to DINA S.A., then discovered an article you had contributed to called Diesel Nacional. They are for the same company, but I wanted to get your opinion on which we should delete. I think most in the US know the company as DINA, through their one-time stake in Motor Coach Industries and the imported motor coach DINA Viaggio. Do you have an opinion? RXUYDC 00:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)