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[edit] Avoid_Copyright_Paranoia

This article is related to age old indian deity and most of the images on internet domain related to this deity are supposed to be in public domain.History of this article shows some one had posted an image and subsequently some body removed it. Please confirm if it is ok to upload an image from Govt of Maharashtra owned Web pages which are supposed to be copy left licence.

[edit] Time Being

pandharpur tukaram Marathi literature

[edit] Split proposal

I propose the article be split into 2:

  • 1 for the deity
  • other for the temple

Just like Venkateswara and Tirumala Venkateswara Temple are 2 articles. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 05:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. They are two different subjects and there is enough information/references for an article on each. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 05:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Sure it should be done. However what will be included in the deity page? Its not so clear for me what goes where, as its for Tirupati temple/Balaji. Wikidās ॐ 19:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Vithoba temple, Pandharpur is formed.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 04:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I will work on the article in a few days and plan to cover these points: The deity article will include:

  • Legends
  • Major temples: including main center of worship
  • Literature dedicated to Vithoba
  • Warkari movement
  • Festivals
  • Involution of deity: From form of Shiva to Vishnu
  • Importance in Maharashtra

--Redtigerxyz (talk) 04:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] comments

  • This statement comes as a surprise to me. According to M. S. Mate, the devotee Pundalik (believing Pundalik to a historical figure, rather than a mythical one) was instrumental in coaxing the Hoysala king Vishnuvardhana to build the Pandharpur temple to Vishnu. The deity "Vitthal" was named upon the builder king Bittidev, the alias of Vishnuvardhana.[5]
Vishnuvardhana, the Hoysala king went as far north as Lakkundi in Gadag district before being defeated by Chalukya commander Achugi of Gulbarga. I dont believe Vishnuvardhana ever had the opportunity to cross the Krishna river. Perhaps you mean Veera Ballala II who is known to have reached Gulbarga which puts him in range of Pandarpur at the Maharashtra-Karnataka border?Dineshkannambadi (talk) 00:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Here is the ref. [1]--Redtigerxyz (talk) 09:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. If the temple were consecrated in 1189, as mentioned in the article, then it would be the time of Veera Ballala II. He had successful clashes with Seuna Bilhama in 1189-1190 in the general area under consideration. But then a early 12th century date for the temple is also postulated which is during the time of Vishnuvardhana. The fact that Vishnuvardhana (and his descendents) took to Vaishnavism and built many Vaishnava temples in south Karnataka certianly adds some credibility to the theory of his influence over Pandarpur temple, although Pandarpur is still a ways away.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 11:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
As noted, the Pandharpur temple may OR MAY NOT be built in 1189 AD. The date is disputed. I did not find the name "Veera Ballala II" in Vithoba context anywhere. Also Mate presses Vishnuvardhana as the creator to explain the name Vithu, derived from the king's name and the king being a Vaishnava.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Good enough for me.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 15:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • V. P. Chavan says that "Pandurang Stotra" by Adi Shankaracharya, if geninue, establishes that Vithoba worship existed as early as 5th century AD, the period of it's author.
I think the dating of Adi Shankaracharya is not firm and ranges mostly from 7-8th century. More as I go along.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 00:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Y Done --Redtigerxyz (talk) 09:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Please provide disambiguation for tirth-murti and Kshetra-murthi.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 00:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't get you. disambiguation?? --Redtigerxyz (talk) 09:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I mean English language translation.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 11:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • There are several places where "dash" is used. This is a style preference. Generally ndash looks better, but others may not agree. (ex:Rakhumai - "mai" means mother). Also, in some places, the "Sanskrit name" appears first and then the English disambiguation. In other cases, the order is reversed. Keep to one style.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)