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--Neon white 17:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC) Apart from the fact that I think you're pursuing a grudge, because I'm challenging you on the Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel page, I think you're a little rash to be challenging things on the law page - I have no problem with you suggesting POSITIVE improvements, i.e. replacing things (when they are well referenced), adding qualifications (again you need references) or adding more material (when it's referenced). I've replied otherwise on the talk page. Wikidea 11:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Please do help out with the History of economic thought page, particularly with the final sections. I should also shorten Marx substantially. Again, got to be references, because the article is getting pretty good. Go with the suggestion for the law page, and if you can pull out the part where Proudhon is talking about liberty, then why not add that too. Of course, I know that, but part of a big article like the law one is to try and be concise and get main points in, so that people are encouraged to go looking elsewhere. Wikidea 12:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Can you take down your neutrality tag now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidea (talk • contribs) 12:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad too. Now you just need to agree with me on the Bank of Sweden Prize page!! Wikidea 12:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] skeevie

i thought you might want to check out this really skeevie ex parte discussion i discovered this morning.--emerson7 06:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Like I wrote to emerson7 (User talk:emerson7#subterfuge?), you might also want to check Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (common names)#Common name vs. correct name. –panda 17:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Prize in Economics

Do you have any good reason for removing the citation to the Nobel Foundation? If not, then you should replace it. –panda 18:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[copied from User talk:Panda#Nobel Prize]
They do not say that prize in economics is not a Nobel Prize. By attributing such view to them you are conducting original research. -- Vision Thing -- 18:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

So you're claiming that "The Board of Directors later decided to keep the original five prizes intact and not to permit new additions."[1] is original research for claiming that there's only 5 Nobel Prizes, and those 5 do not include the econ prize? (Please reply here, I'm watching your talk page.) –panda 18:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

How do you explain the fact that Prize in Economics is in the Nobel Prizes category on Nobel Foundation site and that reliable sources (such as that article reviewed by Nobel Foundation) are saying that this is a Nobel Prize? -- Vision Thing -- 18:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
My question is specifically about the quote above. Are you claiming that citing that quote would be original research for claiming that there's only 5 Nobel Prizes, and those 5 do not include the econ prize? –panda 19:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, since that source is not unambiguous whether this is or isn't Nobel Prize. -- Vision Thing -- 19:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
What part is ambiguous? It states specifically "the original five prizes." What other 5 prizes could it be referring to? –panda 19:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm talking about Nobel Foundation site in general. -- Vision Thing -- 19:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
One again, answer the question. What part of the quote is ambiguous? –panda 19:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Please see Primary, secondary, and tertiary sources part of no original research policy. It states: "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a secondary source." (Nobel Foundation site is a primary source). -- Vision Thing -- 19:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
For the second time, please answer the question. What part of the quote is ambiguous? –panda 19:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Prize in Economics

Please stop with edits like this one. As you are aware of, your suggestion to use Nobel Memorial Prize instead of Nobel Prize has been rejected. If you want to reopen that debate, please do, but until that refrain from unilateral changes. -- Vision Thing -- 11:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Let's don't compare apples with cement trucks here. The article name is one thing, that it's called within articles is another thing. By the way, please stop introducing lies to Wikipedia. That may be considered vandalism. // Liftarn
The official name of the prize is Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. Please stop changing the name of the prize in all articles related to this topic. –panda 16:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Milton Freedman and Prize in Economics

Do you have any special reason for removing the official name of the prize, as stated in the cited reference? This was never discussed on the talk page -- that was a discussion between calling it one unofficial name versus another. –panda 18:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

In that discussion "official" name was also mentioned, and rejected. If you want source for this claim please see Brittanica's article where it's clearly stated that Friedman won Nobel Prize [2]. -- Vision Thing -- 19:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I've already suggested this to another user but I'll suggest it to you as well. Have you considered replacing the current citation to the Nobel Foundation with a different one since the current citation doesn't support the statement that it references? (No where in the citation does it state "Nobel Prize in Economics".) –panda 22:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Sure, I can do that. -- Vision Thing -- 16:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Prize

Do you have any good reason for reverting 17 edits to the Nobel Prize article by several editors, including removing several references and reintroducing factual errors in the text? If not, I would encourage you to revert your own edits. –panda 17:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC) p.s. Please reply here, I'm watching your talk page. –panda 17:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your unilateral changes in the introduction. However, I think I've kept all relevant changes made in the meantime. If you see factual errors please correct them or say what they are. -- Vision Thing -- 18:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't explain why you reverted 17 edits.[3] Do you have any good reason for doing that? –panda 18:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I noticed that you intentionally removed/did not replace all instances of the official name for the econ prize (Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel or Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel) from the article. –panda 19:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed one mention which you added in the intro today. -- Vision Thing -- 20:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Correction: you reverted 17 edits today [4] -- the edit summary states "rv to Anthon.Eff". If all you wanted to do was move text from one location to another, that doesn't require reverting 17 edits. So once again, what was your reason for reverting 17 edits? BTW, I've replied to your comment on my talk page. –panda 20:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I counted wrong, I meant 18 reverts. –panda 03:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC) It's still 17 reverts. –panda 05:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Vision Thing. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and "no personal attack" policies. Thank you. // Liftarn
Hello Vision Thing. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and "no personal attack" policies. Thank you.
–panda 20:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics

As you've noticed, panda and Liftarn and allies have been busy trying to replace "Nobel Prize in Economics" everyplace it appears in WP. Rather than trying to stop them, I think it best to make a small concession. To me, "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics" is an acceptable compromise (though not common enough to serve as the title of the article), and I think that very few economists would object to this name. I find objectionable, however, their use of the long, ugly name "Bank of Sweden prize in the economic sciences in memory of Alfred Nobel." So my position is that whenever I encounter the long, ugly name, I will replace it with the shorter name, which these editors appear to find acceptable. If you object, please let me know, and I will reconsider. --Anthon.Eff 21:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I agree, "Nobel Prize in Economics" is my preference, and if that is where the consensus is leading, then I will simply use that name. By the way, looking at the Danish and Swedish papers this morning after the prize was awarded--the Swedes are definitely different from everyone else in being careful what they call the prize. So probably the Swedish editors we've quarreled with would not seem so strange in their own country. Where they go wrong, IMO, is in trying to be activists forcing the rest of the world to follow the Swedish custom.--Anthon.Eff 21:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Speedy deletion of Fear of God (LA)

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[edit] Template for Econ Prize

Please see Template talk:Nobel Prize in Economics#Proposed Template Name & Title. –panda 21:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nazism

This article is considered to be of a controversial topic therefore any substantial changes have to be discussed on the [page] before any edits are made. Removing certain terms from the article as this user did was not justified by a consensus and seemed to me to be based on a personal point of view. --Neon white 17:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The Harvard Salient is both verifiable and reliable. Please do not remove sourced material from this article. --Neon white 00:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The talk page says This is a controversial historical topic, which may be disputed. Please read the talk page and discuss substantial changes there before making them. --Neon white 17:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Prize in Economics

Thanks for the notification. I've been away for awhile and I've taken all of the Nobel stuff off my watchlist. I think I'll continue to stay out of this. The issue has become just too unpleasant: panda has been following me around to other articles and posting complaints about my behavior. So it's best to stay away. In the end, if their position is too unreasonable, other editors will come along and change it, so it isn't as if they can do permanent damage to WP. --Anthon.Eff 18:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Stop moving it to the incorrect capitalization. It's really petty: there's absolutely no reason to think there is consensus behind the incorrect capitalization. If the RM fails, I'll make sure it's put back to Nobel Prize in Economics. see also. Cool Hand Luke 16:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I would have if you asked, in spite of another admin asking for no page moves, but at this point that would be a reward for your edit warring. I cannot believe you changed all the redirects to reflect the wrong capitalization. It looks like about two thirds are in favor of the move, but you are almost certainly alone in preferring the wrong capitalization. Cool Hand Luke 17:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Why didn't you ask another admin to move it to the correct title? Why did you instead move it to the incorrect title three times? I moved the article off of NYScholars' Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences, and your Nobel prize in Economics, which were both bad faith moves with 0.0% chance of being adopted. I see your point about confusion, so I'll move the page back, but I wish you had asked someone instead of conducted a petty and sterile edit war. Cool Hand Luke 17:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] template

Thanks for changing the communism template. it looks great now. --Soman (talk) 20:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Murray Rothbard image

Hey, I didn't realize that we were still using non-free images in the Rothbard article. I have modified the image's summary to note its free status, and I have submitted a permissions statement to the OTRS folks. Cheers, DickClarkMises (talk) 09:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marx

I think your drastic cut re anti semitism violates NPOV. I fully agree what I added was long and in need of cutting and simply ask that you restore more of the valuable content-cut less. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I thought that what Slrebenstein wrote was a load of hotair. It had no POV because it said nothing. Telaviv1 (talk) 12:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to Debt money, you will be blocked from editing. Also, you broke the three-revert rule on that one. -- Vision Thing -- 20:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I only reverted three times. Each revert is clearly numbered. I did not violate WP:3RR. 69.138.16.202 (talk) 22:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Responding to "Citation needed"

Hi! I just want to inform you that I question a {{fact}} template of yours at Talk:The_Black_Book_of_Capitalism#"Citation needed"?.--JoergenB (talk) 15:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emma Goldman

Thank you for your attention to detail on Emma Goldman. I wonder if you'd like to have a look at this discussion on the talk page. Cheers! – Scartol • Tok 22:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] article edits

you have my full support. thanks for your edits. keep going. see you. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 20:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your recent edits to Template:Communism and its related pages.

Hi Vision Thing, Could you explain why you reverted my edits to the above mentioned template and the relevant pages? The reason why I have been switching many of these navigational boxes (ideologies, politics/government, etc) to a navbox is because not articles have the "length" to support infoboxes, therefore creating a lot of white space. I would like to respectfully ask you to revert back to the navbox of version of the template. Regards, nat.utoronto 14:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Collapsable sections

Hi! You have done considerable work on the {{socialism}}. There has been considerable discussion on the issue of the collapsable sections of templates like that one. I created a centralized place for discussion about this issue here. I hope you can bring your views to the discussion. - C mon (talk) 18:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Center for Economic and Policy Research

I see you insist on including the assertion in the CEPR article that it is seen as supporting and apologizing for Hugo Chavez.

Here is why I believe this is inappropriate. The assertion is, first of all, about a particular perception of CEPR rather than about CEPR itself. It makes no factual reference to any CEPR document, position, etc. Why should such a perception, which is not shared by all, be afforded such prominence? Others might reasonably have different perceptions. No argumentation or evidence is provided that validates that such a perception is even common or held outside a narrow ideological spectrum. That is, given its obvious partisan nature, the referenced source can hardly be pointed to as support that a particular perception of CEPR is uniformly accepted. You might reasonably say that the authors of the reference source and its sources judge CEPR in such a way, but I see no reason why any mention of how CEPR is perceived is even helpful in an entry that doesn't first explain what the CEPR's work and policies actually entail.

Essentially, the assertion is not adequately supported and violates the neutrality principle of Wikipedia.

With all due respect, I think unless additions to the page are made that substantiate and explain the claim, it hasn't a chance at surviving mediation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crmjones (talk • contribs) 22:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Milton Friedman & Nobel Memorial Prize

As long as you continue to remove text without discussing it ([5], [6]), I will continue to replace it, especially since you seem to have issues with only part of the text. I don't necessarily endorse the text (I didn't write it), but you've now been asked twice to discuss the text in talk before removing it. I've also asked the editor who wrote the text to comment on it so hopefully the two of you can work this out. –panda (talk) 14:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Marx=

More Neocon Vandalism? Twice now Vision Thing has removed from the criticisms section of the Wiki entry on Capitalism one particular contribution to the debate about the acceptability to capitalism of unfree labor. The reference in question is a book by Brass, Towards a Comparative Political Economy of Unfree Labor, a text published in 1999 consisting of articles appearing throughout the 1980s. Even the least bright member of humanity will appreciate that, in chronological terms this text precedes that on the same subject by Marcel van der Linden, published in 2003. Either the latter also goes, or both van der Linden and Brass stay. I am posting this on your website, where it is one of many similar objections to interventions by you in areas where your competence to do so is – how shall I say this – not of the greatest. 8 April 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.103.64 (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Holiday

Hi, I'm going away for a short Holiday, do you think you could hold down Economic freedom, Opposition to trade unions and Milton Friedman while I'm away? If J.R. Hercules keeps adding POV, you may wish to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/J.R._Hercules . Thankyou. Larklight (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting your input at Wikipedia:WikiProject Economics/Featured Article drive

Since you are a member of WikiProject Economics, I would like to direct your attention to Wikipedia:WikiProject Economics/Featured Article drive. We are currently deciding on an economics-related article to bring to Featured Article status and we would like your input. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 14:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalism External Link

Why did you add back in the external link without giving a reason or discussing it further on the relevant section of the talk page? Munci (talk) 07:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)