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[edit] Leading image

Does anyone know of any copyright free paintings of Vishnu which we can use within the introduction? The current one is too low-res for the infobox and has a dubious copyright notice in the commons. Maybe an old painting exists somewhere? Regards, Gouranga(UK) 13:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I am searching for a free image. This image is temporary.--Redtigerxyz 13:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I've uploaded an image. It's title is: Image:LVishnu.jpg. The picture exists on many websites and has no known author (just search Standing Visnu on google to see what I mean). No copyright info nor license info is given on any of the websites. To be safe, I'm not going to use it yet, but can someone tell me whether or not it's safe to use for the leading picture? Armyrifle 23:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Though the image is beautiful, it soon may be deleted. Can Armyrifle ask the website author about the copyright status of the image. I also suggest other users that they upload the image in wiki commons so that even if the image is not included in the article, people can view it. Aslo free, PD old images are prefered.--Redtigerxyz 12:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The first image looked better it shows the current images of Vishnu.Paintings look a little abstract while images look good.Donrub 08:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)Donrub

I've changed the copyright info and the summary to fit the situation. I've based it off the info of a Hanuman image that has the same copyright case (impossible to determine copyright and licence, used by many people). Hopefully, this is satisfactory. Just to be safe, is it ok to use this image (Image:LVishnu.jpg) as the leading image? Armyrifle 04:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I still feel free, PD-art images will be prefered as they represent the iconography more accurately then images like Image:LVishnu.jpg but since it is of higher resolution, i am temporarily putting it as the lead image.--Redtigerxyz 06:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can someone please verify where this Rig veda script existis in RV?

The below mentioned text is given in the article where it mentions a Rig Veda script at V.I.15b.3. I dont see such numbering in Rig Veda at all Is it a typo mistake where it is supposed to be VI.15.3. In rigveda numberings at sacred-texts.org) I don't see any alpha-numeric numberings given like the 'b' in the 15b. The numberings in sacred-text site for RigVeda runs like X.xx.xx format (5.15.3). Can some one please tell me whether the quote 'O ye who...' given below (this in in wikipedia's vishnu page] comes in RV or is it a general statement given by the Translator. I am unable to find out which RV sloka is cited by the translator as the numbering seems to be given wrong here!. Thx.

From Wikipedia Visnu Page ->[The foreword of P. Sankaranarayan's translation of Vishnu sahasranama, Bhavan's Book University, cites Rig Veda V.I.15b.3, for the importance of chanting Vishnu's name, "O ye who wish to gain realization of the supreme truth, utter the name of Vishnu at least once in the steadfast faith that it will lead you to such realization"]

Ram S 20:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vishnu or Vritra?

The sixth paragraph of the section called "In the Vedas" concludes with this parenthetical sentence:

"(This story can be found in later epics and Puranas with ever increasing emphasis on Vishnu's role, till in the Bhagavata Purana, Vritra is a warrior, philosopher and devotee in whose comparison Indra is a pale figure.)"

Surely, "Vishnu" is meant instead of Vritra?

Olav Smith 22:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It is Vritra that is meant rather than Vishna, but I have removed the sentence on the grounds of it being confusing & unsourced. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 07:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Devas have different names in the Vedas e.g. Shiva's name in the Vedas is "Rudra."--ॐJesucristo301 21:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly, the name of the Hindu god Vishnu, without the digamma, is Ish-nuh, which in Chaldee means “the man Noah.” or “the man of rest.” Hindu tradition has Vishnu ‘resting’ or sleeping on a coiled snake called Shesha, floating on an ocean. Shesha means “remainder,” and according to careful researchers, Shesha represents the ‘residue’ of the universe after its destruction at the end of an age. Clearly, this is similar to the Deluge and the ark of preservation with its occupants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.211.144 (talk) 22:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Articles

NO MERGE. Thirumal is one of forms in which Vishnu is worshipped like Vitthala in Maharashtra, Shri Nath ji in Rajasthan, where Vishnu takes on local characteristics and mythology into His folds, though that does not mean that they should all be merged into a single article, infact it is their very separate nature that makes the Hindu iconogarphy so interesting, and worth preserving serarately, it is polytheist monotheism afterall.

Also one form of Vishnu, would hardly known in another region, except through its connection with the central Vishnu icon, so AVOID. For example the Thirumal form of Vishnu is virtually unknown in most of North India, so it would only create confusion, and added layers. (Ekabhishek (talk) 05:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC))

Vishnu and Thirumal, refer to the same deity. Former is the Sanskrit Name, While the Latter is the Tamil name. They are not seperate deities, any one in Tamil Nadu will tell that. Hence I Strongly Suggest, to Merge these two Articles Vinodh.vinodh (talk) 07:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Support: Many books[1] identify Vishnu and Thirumal, Perumal. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 11:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Comment: The current contents of the Thirumal article are describing the history of Thirumal as if He was originally a seperate deity. If this is the case I would vote to keep the articles as they are. If this is not the case, and the reference is giving a very unorthodox view, then yes, I agree it re-direct here, and we can merge what little information may be relevant. From what you have said above it sounds like the latter is far more likely. Best wishes, Gouranga(UK) (talk) 11:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Morecambe1 (talk) 10:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Gouranga. Instead of merging at present we should mark Thirumal as unreferenced and search for some supporting references. If none are found after a few weeks and the article content turns out to be a hoax, then we can attempt a merge. Note that we have separate articles on Rudra and Shiva and; Ganesha and Vinayakas because of the same reason. Abecedare (talk) 16:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


No merge these are two subjects about two deities, they are related, but each have attributes that are different enough to merit its own article. In Tamil, Thirumal is identified to as Kannan. I have cited a reference below. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Here is a reference, [2] please see page 177; PERUMAL, V. (1982). Glimpses of Tamil Culture. University of Michigan.  Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
ref provided by Ism schism says: "Lord Vishnu is popularly known as Thirumal (kannan) in Tamil." Doesn't that mean Thirumal is Vishnu. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 05:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

A passage from the Krishnaism page, under construction reads: According to Hardy's impressive study of the various connections between records and traditions there is evidence of early "southern Krishnaism",[1] even there is a tendency to allocate this tradition to the Northern traditions. There is a narrative context in which the early writings in Dravidian culture such as Manimekalai and the Cilappatikaram present Krishna, his brother, and favorite female companions in the similar terms.[2]

South Indian texts illustrate close connections and provide undeniable parallels to the Sanskrit traditions of Krishna and his gopi companions, so ubiquitous in later North Indian text and imagery.[2]

While some refer to devotion to idigineus Mal (Tirumal) as early forms of Krishnaism, since Mal appears as a divine figure, largely like Krishna with some elements of Vishnu.[3] It has been suggested by Hardy that the term "Mayonism" should be used instead of "Krishnaism" when referring to Mal or Mayon.[1] On the other hand another prominent early evidence gathered from the poetry of Alvars, whose name can be translated "sages" or "saints", is that they were devotees of Mal. In their poems there comes a pronounced orientation to the Vaishnava and often Krishna side of Mal. Its is however important to note that they do not make the distinction between Krishna and Vishnu on the basis of the concept or theory of the avataras.[3]

  1. ^ a b HARDY, Friedhelm M.: Viraha-Bhakti. The early history of Krsna devotion in South India. Oxford India Paperbacks 2001.
  2. ^ a b MONIUS, Anne E.: Dance Before Doom. Krishna In The Non-Hindu Literature of Early Medieval South India. In: Beck, Guy L., ed. Alternative Krishnas. Regional and Vernacular Variations on a Hindu Deity. Albany: State University of New York Press 2005; Ch. 8. pp. 139-149.
  3. ^ a b Devotion to Mal (Mayon). philtar.ucsm.ac.uk. Retrieved on 2008-05-22.

maybe it can be seen from this perspective, as a separate deity? Wikidās-ॐ 07:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Definitely no merger - in this way you will merge all in Vishnu. Moreover article points out to the evidence that Perumal worship, as seen today has been a product of syncretism of an indigenous deity with Vishnu.Thus no, just as no, as there are different perspectives on this particular deity, not everyone agrees to =Vishnu. Its a later development. As article states that was associated with Krishna the dark or black deity of Yadava cow-herders in North India, eventually to be identified with Vishnu when Krishna was accepted as an avatar of Vishnu.Wikidās-ॐ 19:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Krishna article and avatar discussion

There is a discussion on Krishna's status as avatar at Krishna and Vishnu avatar discussion. Any comments you have would be appreciated. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 02:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)