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Irrigation Photos

Thanks VS, they are great and I will replace the current irrigation photo in Riverina with one of the new ones. Also, they will be very useful for the WP:ACOTF article I proposed, Water supply in Australia. Cheers.--Mattinbgn/ talk 10:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you - I am glad that you like them. I support your nomination in WP:ACOTF and have also commented there. --VS talk...images 12:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Message

got your message - i have over-committed myself on acotf and have to retreat a bit... maybe think about it first SatuSuro 02:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your note - appreciate your view and certainly understand time constraints (but if you do find the time ... ). --VS talk...images 02:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep - although next 5 weeks I'll be quite busy. I would also suggest notifying DanielT5 as he's doing a lot of work on the Wheatbelt region at the moment and with the timing of settlement there it's quite likely soldier resettlement schemes were involved. Orderinchaos78 02:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I will - thanks for the tip. --VS talk...images 02:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Soldiers settlement

Sorry about that; was in a hurry to log off and obviously didn't check my work closely enough. Looks like someone's already fixed it. Hesperian 10:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Not a problem - looks like Mattinbgn got to it first. Cheers!--VS talk 10:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey that is a good idea - I will bring my creative writing skills into play. Thank you. --VS talk 22:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay thanks to Golden Wattle's idea I have put Soldier settlement (Australia) up as a Did You Know candidate here. --VS talk 23:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

It took a while. It is interesting sometimes the interest it attracts because of that profile. :-) --Golden Wattle talk 23:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Tumbarumba

Now Commons - thanks for the reminder :-) --Golden Wattle talk 19:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


Fair use rationale for Image:KentuckySoldiersSettlementEstateSettlerscottage.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:KentuckySoldiersSettlementEstateSettlerscottage.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. When you use a generic fair use tag such as {{fair use}} or {{fair use in|article name}}, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. howcheng {chat} 19:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Public Domain due to age

I have tagged with {{PD-Australia}} due to age. Note Public domain images can go on Commons - the same tag is used there. Regards--Golden Wattle talk 20:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I did the other two from the Soldier Settlers page as well --Golden Wattle talk 20:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for assisting with all three images. I had not come across this type before hence putting them on to English Wiki - I will move them over to commons now that I know. --VS talk 20:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images are not allowed on Commons but Public Domain are OK.
For more info on Public Domain in Australia have a look at the template, basically my use is always to do with age - pre 1955 is usually safe. The ACCC says "photographs (if taken before 1 May 1969, 50 years from the end of the year they were taken; on or after 1 May 1969, 50 years from the end of the year of first publication" The rules change again in 2005 if they were still under copyright at that date. The elapsed time is then 70 years.--Golden Wattle talk 20:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for further info. Any ideas as to what category to save them to in Commons? --VS talk 20:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
When I am at a loss I go for Commons:Category:History of Australia or something general. You might like to start a page on Soldier Settlement there. I would also categorise Batlow under Towns of the Riverina .... Multiple categories help. You can see the category tree when you look at Commons:Category:Australia and use the plus signs to navigate downwards from what looks relevant. Regards--Golden Wattle talk 20:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Cool. Great tips. Hope you have a great (end of the working week) day . --VS talk 20:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted the images (CSD I 8) since you have now uploaded them to Commons--Golden Wattle talk 21:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for speedy deletion, and good point on Crown Land. --VS talk 23:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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Billnudgel, New South Wales

Thanks. Sloppy.--Grahamec 05:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

  • No problems - it's easy to do (speaking from experience) when you look at as many towns as we do. --VS talk 06:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

IBRA

I don't think I'm capable of implementing a zoomable map. On each of the IBRA region articles I've written so far - Esperance Plains, Mallee (biogeographic region) and Warren (biogeographic region) - I've included both a location map and a detail map. But the detail map has excluded stuff outside the area and has focussed more on capturing land use than geographical context. Perhaps this is where I can take your comments on board. Include features outside the region boundaries in maps like the one below, and be just a wee bit more liberal with my place name captions ;-) Hesperian 12:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The Mallee region, with agricultural areas in yellow, and native vegetation in green
The Mallee region, with agricultural areas in yellow, and native vegetation in green
  • Thanks for your response Hesperian. The maps are great and I will use them. Interestingly I note that your map of The Mallee region has brought forth a disambiguation I was not previously aware of. In my response to your question I was referring to the The Mallee - as in Sunraysia/Malee. I have taken the opportunity to refer the disambiguation at Mallee. --VS talk 21:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I'd already included a link at that page; I've removed the duplicate (mine). Hesperian 02:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Pfff - I am going to sue that optometrist for saying I don't need glasses! Thanks for removing the duplicate. --VS talk 04:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Irrigation in Australia is new ACOTF

Irrigation in Australia has been selected as collaboration of the fortnight. Keep up the good work. --Scott Davis Talk 13:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Boinka, Victoria

I thought this article a probable hoax.. but I guess it's not.

However - I would not include it in the "Cities and towns in The Mallee and Sunraysia regions of Australia" template as a town. At best it is a village, but more likely it is a locality within Mildura. I think the same could be said for other placenames included on the template where the population is X(within 7km radius).

BTW. If you are linking to travelmate - could you please change your URL to be one that isn't http://www.travelmate.com.au/MapMaker/MapMaker.asp - you need to include the parameters to make the link go straight to a map of a place, like you have for fallingrain.com.

20:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi GarrieIrons - thanks for your comments. As you would have seen Boinka was not a hoax - in fact it has a rich history. (Actually I was quite happy with the article and its rich start). I take your point on not including it as a town - but if you have a look at the article again you will see that I had not done so - referring to it only as a locality and it is (again as is already posted on that page not within Mildura (it is 174km from that City). To the point of whether localities should or should not be included .... We had the same discussion when constructing Template:Riverina with the consensus agreeing to include localities/communities as a part of the template providing that such a place met strict guidelines (including that the location/community was actually still physically locatable in some way) - see here for details of that discussion. However I realise that by not including the word communities in the template that might not seem so clear so I have adjusted that part this morning at Template:Sunraysia. Finally to your point about www.travelmate.com.au - the link actually goes directly to a search page (a map is not being suggested - only distances are) where any person can type place A and place B to see the distances between the two locations. The alternate - given that there are at least 4 locations being referenced is to make the info box totally unworkable). Cheers. --VS talk 21:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Gundagai editor

Thanks :-) --Golden Wattle talk 21:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

and thanks again--Golden Wattle talk 06:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
and thanks again. I have placed range blocks on but there are at least three ranges involved. She seems to have moved to Canberra; in the past there were only two ranges that covered her. Regards --Golden Wattle talk 18:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: AU Falcon

Thanks for your ideas. I will incorporate some of them, but, not to be rude, but I think that the spacing on the information boxes need to be inline with the text, and we need a promotional image of a AU1 and AU2 Falcon to go with the box. BTW: 1. Do you know anything about the EL Falcon? 2. Can you introduce me to some people?

Thanks a heap though. I appreciate any help I can get.

HB4026 06:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahmmm - well I am not really your best help for the EL Falcon or cars in that way. It is not my primary interest - but I was interested in answering your plea for help on WikiProject Australia. I am not quite sure what point you are making regarding the info box (as I didn't alter it in any way). My main concern was to show you support (as a new editor) and also to point you in the direction of writing good to great articles. Apart from language and grammar - which by and large you have a good grasp of you desperately need to focus on referencing - that means that you really can't write anything unless you can and do back it up with a third party reference. At the moment the article reads a little like a promotional pamphlet but broad references (from a number of sources) will help that. In terms of meeting people - it is quite simply really - edit in your field of interest, edit well showing clear references that give a Neutral Point of View and talk to people on other Car Pages and you will have Falcon (and for that matter Holden, Toyota, Mitisubishi etc) friends before you can say Ford wins Bathurst. Just keep going - make a commitment to edit a few edits every day and you will be noticed very very quickly. --VS talk 06:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Riverina GA

Hi VS. Thanks for making a start on the Riverina article. Work and illness (nothing serious, just annoying) have kept me away from Wikipedia more than I would like. Things are starting to improve on both counts so should be back into it shortly.--Mattinbgn/ talk 11:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Understood - hope things get better soon on both counts. --VS talk 11:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it may be difficult to assert a fair use rationale for the CSU logo in the Riverina article. It may be worth replacing it with an actual photo of the CSU Wagga campus if possible. In my opinion this would be a better illustration than the logo of CSU's presence in the Riverina as well. Your thoughts?--Mattinbgn/ talk 21:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes - I agree - Consider it done - I will take a few of the campus either some time today or tomorrow (I am in the neighbourhood over the next couple of days). I will post the good ones in our Wagga Wagga Commons area and put one up on Riverina in place of the logo. --VS talk 21:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. If you can't get there I may be in Wagga Wagga for work on Friday and should be able to make time to get there.--Mattinbgn/ talk 23:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Job's done. I have uploaded new image to Riverina opting for the informative style of pic. However if that is not preferred I will have 6 or 7 others up on Commons and linked to Towns of the Riverina by later this evening. --VS talk 03:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. I think that nearly all points in the GA review have been addressed with the exception of rewriting the one sentence paragraphs. I intend to try and finish that this evening sometime.--Mattinbgn/ talk 03:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Good - glad you approve of image. I will be about tonight so if you need help, or another proof-reader etc pls let me know (it will probably also help prevent edit-conflict if I don't get on the page at the same time as you). --VS talk 04:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Bidgee has raised a good point about growth in Wagga Wagga and the sponge city phenomenon. I want to try and incorporate that into the article this evening. As soon as that is done then I think we should ask Nehrams2020back to have a look as soon as possible.--Mattinbgn/ talk 11:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Done! I will let him know now. Thanks for all your input.--Mattinbgn/ talk 12:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Hey it was my pleasure to help. Will be nice if it is good enough to get the nod. --VS talk 13:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a heap for helping me. I am extremely grateful for any help that I can get. With the EL Falcon, thanks anyway :). I also have to apologise, I thought you were the one that deleted the photos, it was another user 'The Paranoid One' that deleted the photos through speedy deletion. How do you upload photos from the net without violating copyright? Thankyou alot HB4026 10:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I suggest you start here to understand fair use of images. It is complex and in most cases simply copying an image (of the type you are looking for) from the net will be a breach of copyright. Of course the easiest way to get around some of this is to get a reasonable digital camera and go hunting for the type of cars you want in your articles and take your own picture. Just a thought.... --VS talk 10:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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Jerilderie, New South Wales

Sorry, the only thing I did was change the link of Michael Jones, because it leaded to the Michael Jones disambiguation page. Now it leads to a non-existent page called Michael Jones (scholar), and I also added that guy to the disambiguation page. You can check the changes here Is that correct? --Dpapic 06:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your response. In a general sense what you have done is okay but my question was more in relation to do you have a reference or citation as to when and where (somewhere on the net or in a book or??) that Michael Jones (scholar) said what you the articles says he did? In other words how can I and other wiki readers/editors verify that what was said is correct. If as you say you just changed the link direction then you may not know. If so let me know and I will adjust the article appropriately.--VS talk 06:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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Valerio Ricetti (copied from here)

Thanks for your feedback on this article Jreferee. I have now adjusted according to your "biography tips" link and would very much appreciate if you can give me any futher assessment or thoughts please? --VS talk 22:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi VirtualSteve. You may want to revise the footnotes. I did the first two. Check out the categories used in the articles to which are dynamic linked in the Valerio Ricetti. The talk page for these articles may have banners that you can use on your article and the article page for these articles may have Categories that you may use in the Valerio Ricetti article. -- Jreferee 22:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Cool. I have many edits but this is my first bio. Appreciate your suggestions again. Cheers!--VS talk 23:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Just read this article - fascinating!--Golden Wattle talk 18:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on the Nan Kelley article

Thanks for your help on the Nan Kelley article. It earned a DYK. today. I really appreciate it. Chris 02:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

  • My pleasure. --VS talk 03:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

counties

this is interesting information, is Yancowinna excluded because of Broken Hill's links with South Australia? I have included a sentence about them being used in industrial relations law at Cadastral divisions of Australia. Thanks mate! --Astrokey44 10:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

  • No problems. I'm glad the info helped. Yancowinna in this case is excluded because of distance from Sydney. Many awards are almost the same from one county to another but may for example include an extra weeks leave and some other entitlements. Put simply those sort of extras were negotiated long ago in an effort to gain a reward for members who were in the union's view working in more isolated areas. A broader (but still general answer) is for me to say that it is unlikely that any county reference will have anything to do with closeness to any other state because of demarcation - that is ownership of the award. I'll try to explain.... The example award is a Metals award "owned" by the NSW branch of the AMWU who would rarely if ever share anything in terms of employees (read members) with their 'comrades' in the SA branch of the AMWU. Partly this is about factionalism and partly because of sheer ability to lobby State parliaments. The whole area is pretty complex but suffice to say that throughout all of the states that have counties there are such examples. Your inclusion in the article encompasses this but if you don't mind I will make a minor adjustment to give it a present tense. Nice talking with you as always. --VS talk 12:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
of course, any info you could add there would be helpful. perhaps you want to write a section there about this. Cheers --Astrokey44 12:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep that would be my pleasure - a sub-heading that talks about Relevance of counties in Industrial Relations or similar? I will turn my mind to it over the next few days.--VS talk 12:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

wow thats a great site! (nope hadnt seen it before) that will be useful on adding to town infoboxes. Thanks! Ill go add it to the article now.. --Astrokey44 13:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Thought it might be useful on NSW site - my pleasure again. Glad to be of some assistance.--VS talk 13:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Great! I have made locator maps for all the counties you have created and added them to the articles. Let me know if there are any others.. I will have to get round to doing the rest of them soon anyway. --Astrokey44 13:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way something else to note is that many of the counties have rivers as their borders so that towns on a river are sometimes in two counties - for instance the part of Wagga Wagga south of the Murrumbidgee is in Wynyard County, but North Wagga is in Clarendon County. You can see this on this detailed map --Astrokey44 01:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks - I did notice that on the Geographical Names Board of NSW site. So what I am doing at the moment is picking the actual place name of eg: Wagga Wagga rather than North or South Wagga Wagga etc and using that county. However when I eventually get around to suburbs I will choose the actual place and county nominated. --VS talk 01:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC) PS My intention is to go through the 250 odd names on template:Riverina first and send you updates on any new county stubs I start.

Done maps for those now.. btw I have updated the infobox so that you can include the parish of the county as well as I have tried out with Temora. The geographic names board link you gave is great that it includes the parish too! --Astrokey44 09:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind that, I should warn you to put off adding any more counties to the town infoboxes until the discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_Australian_Place#counties finishes, as they may be deleted. --Astrokey44 12:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see the info on them kept too, the small towns look great with the parish, county, along with the lga and electoral districts listed --Astrokey44 08:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully, I have supported it. Have also left a link to there from WP:AWNB --Astrokey44 12:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this should count as a support vote. it doesnt look like there will be any more votes as there hasnt been for a week. --Astrokey44 08:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I have added stub articles for the counties you mentioned. Regards, --Astrokey44 02:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I have fixed the image, its easy to do since I still have the original svg file. Thanks for adding to the list, I didnt have a list of them so I was only listing them from the map, not an easy way to transcribe . By the way I just noticed alot of inbound links to NSW county articles from the geneology wikia [1] some disambiguation pages might have to be created - some of them link straight to a US county --Astrokey44 13:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Wow - I've never seen a genealogy page before - I agree some disambig pages will need to come also. I don't know if you have noticed that I have created all of the pages (that weren't there previously) from A to B including where the name came from. I have all of the rest created as a word document ready to go and will continue tomorrow putting them up. It is very interesting seeing where the names for each county came from.... I guess if you have time you might like to add county specific images to the pages without? I am enjoying this work - thanks for letting me help. --VS talk 13:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, sure Ill try to get some more locator maps made up for the new counties. The name info is great, this would be good for all of them.. and any other info you have on them too. Cheers, --Astrokey44 14:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Well I added that information from Nineteen Counties, but it may be incorrect as the counties were certainly used before then, as shown on a 1789 map [2]. Perhaps you should ask Golden Wattle who added it... I wonder if it is actually the parishes which are supposed to be fifteen-25 sq. miles, and hundreds of forty square miles - I know there were hundreds proclaimed in Cumberland County about that time, but they were later repealed. --Astrokey44 02:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough - I might just go in and adjust the information (as not having it would be more accurate at this time). Can't ask Golden Wattle - she is totally retired from the project (unfortunately).--VS talk 03:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Rosehill Cemetary --VS talk 23:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Hell

Yeah I created it and i used to forget which way i had created it and i still havent got around to doing the article about the other hells gates further down the coast (says something about western tassie to have two ) ... sigh, good to see someone else on the 'west coast' - it felt like a personal project for a while - cheers SatuSuro 01:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Tullakool

Thanks VS. It is amazing what you can find just by taking a look around. Great work on the Valerio Ricetti article by the way.--Mattinbgn/ talk 21:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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GW

Yes I did. Lets hope for her sake it is nothing serious and that a future return may be possible.--Mattinbgn/ talk 01:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi - thanks for your concern - nothing at all serious - just competing priorities with the real world and no end in sight :-(
I will watch the Gundagai article and a few others and then I needed to get right the info once I had fiddled with another's edit [3] - a never ending occupation so I shouldn't watch! Keep up the good work :-) - regards --Golden Wattle talk 02:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I (we) will - glad to hear it is nothing serious. (Thank you for noticing that I didn't want to invade your no message request). No doubt Wiki will hang around so that your return in the future will also occur. Cheers! --VS talk 02:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

And glad to have you back on the occasional stopover. Nice work on Gundagai this morning. Cheers!--VS talk 21:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Block of User:59.154.24.147

Sorry, not possible yet, too long has elapsed between the last warning and the new vandalism. TimVickers 22:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

  • No problems - thanks for your response. We'll keep an eye on him/her then. Cheers--VS talk 23:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Selected Picture

Hi VS,

I see this photograph of yours is being used as the selected picture at Portal:Australia!

Cheers--Mattinbgn/ talk 05:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Matt - that's pretty cool - thanks for letting me know. I have been a bit quiet the last couple of days (work and caught some dog's disease) Will get back into it on the weekend. --VS talk 06:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

D. H. Lawrence & Somerset Maugham

Steve, if you're still working on the Somerset Maugham article, I suggest you have a look at the D. H. Lawrence article, which I just stumbled across - it seems to me one of the best articles on a writer I've seen on Wiki, and could be useful as a template. PiCo 08:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

counties

Awesome!, I'll add maps shortly. I've been adding the river boundaries where possible too.. now all we need is a list of which of the 7,459 parishes belong in each county hehe --Astrokey44 12:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • F*ck! Well it can be done but do you think it is worth it (and the month or two of editing)? Where would we put it up? Perhaps just a table on each county page? --VS talk 13:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • lmao.. well maybe as a lonnnng project that could sit here for a while, there are alot of projects that stay unfinished for years on WP. yes I thought a list for each county like how it is done on Cumberland. --Astrokey44 13:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Guess what (apart from you being a bastard and putting the idea in my head!!). I am going to do it - absolutely - it's a stunning project (there will be detractors that think that putting this stuff up is no longer important but the history alone is fantastic). I won't put it up into info boxes - else we will receive the ire of some of the community but I will add it to every NSW county as a table. Consider it done! (I may have to loan some money from you for the psychiatrist).--VS talk 13:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
well dont do it unless you really want to.. there are probably better things to do here :) I will take no responsibility for medical expenses! but if you do want to, great! - the national library has 19th century maps of most of the counties with parishes marked and even some separate maps of individual parishes like [4] which might help. --Astrokey44 13:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah - it'll be fun!! I already have it partly worked out (well in my scone at least). Watch these spaces--VS talk 13:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow!! Ive just seen the articles you updated, the box looks amazing! it is great with the LGA and the coordinates. How did you even find this information? --Astrokey44 02:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Glad you like it - I sort of worked it out in my head last night. It's a lot of work in terms of sorting and then checking every link and coordinate etc but I have the template in place on my desktop and if I knuckle down then I should be able to prepare up to about 4 or 5 counties per day (perhaps a few more on weekends) so I should finish in about 20-28 days. I have opted not to link Parishes - they just turn into a very, very ugly sea of redlinks or link to other obscure pages. I thought the good, better, best touch was that each one points directly to its governing LGA and to a centralised coordinate which can be opened (as you no doubt know) via Google Maps etc. --VS talk 02:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes its definately better not to link parishes. that was fantastic how you could go straight to the map for each one!.. I could see people who live in those areas finding it useful. I also agree the LGAs are excellent to link to, as they are more known than the counties, and it tells you which LGAs the counties are in. --Astrokey44 02:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

ok cool, Im still amazed at how you did it so fast! Ive now finished putting maps on the articles. Just had another idea.. what about a box for them like with the LGAs so that you can navigate to neighbouring ones - I've added a type:cadastral to infobox australian place and tested it out on Argyle County, New South Wales. What do you think? --Astrokey44 11:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I like it for many reasons but mainly because a navigational tool makes the whole concept of Counties much more valid and is a tangible way of getting a reader to conceptualise this part of Australian history. I think you should go for it. I also think that with the Parishes and your Navigation addition the NSW GeoStub could pretty well come of the page (at that stage the page is way bigger than a stub). --VS talk 11:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
great, Ill start adding them. goodbye stub template! --Astrokey44 12:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The Working Man's Barnstar
For super fast and fantastic work with your parish-LGA-coordinate tables! --Astrokey44 03:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Gosh thanks for the barnstar. I have so much further to go but I appreciate very much the acknowledgement. --VS talk 03:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Ah, I was wondering what you were going to do with cumberland :) Just a couple questions about it I put on the talk page --Astrokey44 12:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Cumberland

Thanks for picking the duplicates up - I have since adjusted back to 57 which is my count of my data. Duplicates have been removed and I put a note on the talk page and the edit summary. Sorry - it was just a damn hard one to decipher through the LGA's etc. --VS talk 12:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries, that was a great job finding them all! By the way, do you know when the four small sydney city parishes were proclaimed? --Astrokey44 12:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I had a good look through my data regarding Cumberland. Can't tell you exactly when Saints Andrew, James, Philip or Lawrence were initially proclaimed but I can tell you that each of the first three parishes had their location confirmed (assigned) as late as 1976 under the Geographical Names Act 1966 No. 13 (NSW) so they are still totally relevant in terms of the link between naming/locating of places and Crown Lands and just in terms of legal value. St Lawrence is proving harder to assign by the powers and they have deferred their decision at this time (which reads to me like they do not have the data easily available in terms of the exact parameters of the Parish etc).--VS talk 13:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I just found a really interesting article on the church of St. Lawrence which said that unlike the other three, the church was named after the civil parish & also that all parishes were proclaimed in 1835. --Astrokey44 13:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a brilliant article - well worth incorporating into Cumberland County page and into NSW Counties I would suggest.--VS talk 13:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

well ive made a start on adding the info.. Im not sure, I just wrote down the name of the church without thinking about it --Astrokey44 14:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Well fair enough - but it was a great self-misdirection. I am calling it quits for tonight (just after midnight here) - see you on screen tomorrow. Cheers. --VS talk 14:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought the church coords and hundreds would be a nice touch :) You are plowing through them! By the way I have added a new section on land districts to here. (at least two types of districts for NSW.. and they seem to be used in Vic & Qld too) I dont know much about these except from what I have seen in the old maps.. have you ever come across them? --Astrokey44 09:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I had a look through all of my material and links and can't find anything reflective about Land Boards and Districts - however - and this is only a question surmising on my part - could there be some link between the office of Commissioner of Crown Lands and the these boards. I wrote an article the other day on Evelyn Pitfield Shirley Sturt (with a name like that you'd quickly learn to fight) anyway he was the brother of Charles Sturt and in the early 1800's (at the age of 21) he was made Commissioner of Crown Lands (based in Yass). I figure that would be one hell of a job and perhaps by the 1890's the tasks got divided up? It may be a long bow but thought it was worth the mention anyway.--VS talk 11:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I found some more about the crown commissioner here. Perhaps one was in charge of each squatting district, was there anything about the district of lachlan or murrumbidgee? yass is near those. --Astrokey44 12:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

No nothing in Sturt references - just that he was Commissioner from 1837 - 1839. --VS talk 12:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Alloy wheels and other articles

Hey VS, check out my User Page in requests and you will understand what assistance I need. By the way, how did you get your barnstar?. Thanks Harrison Bass - HB4026 00:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi Harrison, thanks for your question - Barnstars are given by fellow members of the Wiki community when that person believes that an editor has done a particularly good job on an article or a project. There is no set criteria for giving or receiving - some times they seem to come for relatively small achievements and sometimes for much larger ones. Whilst any compliment (including Barnstars) are nice to receive - in general (well in my opinion anyway) the best compliment you will receive is a feeling of satisfaction that you have added something of real value to an area of Wiki.--VS talk

Random Smiley Award

For your contributions to Wikipedia and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award
originated by Pedia-I
(Explanation and Disclaimer)

♠TomasBat (@)(Contribs)(Sign!) 21:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you. I am smiling today as a result of your lovely random gift.--VS talk 22:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hey VS, you may remember me from editing the AU Falcon article. Do you know how to block established users? Because User:Wismosis has attacked Ellen Fanning because of her story on the Sunday program about Wikipedia. Wismosis has put gibberish through the article such as shsofhibbero and wrote she needs to perform fellatio. I think its deservant of him to be blocked for a while. Thanks. Harrison Bass - HB4026 01:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Harrison - I am not an admin and only they can block users. There are strict guidelines for blocking such people - but I note that someone has beaten us to it by protecting the Ellen Fanning article already. Thanks for keeping an eye out and letting me know. Keep up the editing work! --VS talk 01:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Goulburn Valley and some more photos

Hi VS, thanks for the kind words. Also, I am uploading some more Riverina photos this afternoon, including Balldale, Walla Walla and Culcairn. --Mattinbgn/ talk 05:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ze' challenge is accepted...

Well, I didn't think to bother looking that closely at the photo.

I'm lucky to kick an AFL ball the length of my back yard clearing my dog in the process, let alone kick a ball over a Riverina wheat silo (I'm sure they're much the same at Gunnadah and points equally distant).

Good photo. They are amongst the things that helped open country New South Wales up to profitable habitation (along with the associated railway lines) and are rapidly becoming just another piece of history to be discarded along the way...

Garrie 06:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ellen Fanning

Thanks anyway. If you would like to know I was the one that disabled the editing :-) Harrison Bass - HB4026 08:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Well actually it looks like it was user:BigDT that placed the protection on - 'cause you need to be an admin to do that too. --VS talk 09:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


Re: Deniliquin

hey, thanks for your comments.

I am not trying to promote any websites on wikipedia - that would be impracticle, as the audience of people looking at the Deniliquin wiki is not the audience the websites are aimed at - I am just trying to be complete with the listings I submit - I intend to include all local bands on the wiki if practical, as well as information about all locally created music media, and all local music events.

Since Deniliquin is my home town, I am interested in having the wiki as conclusive as possible - music is just the area that I am starting at.

Would it suit you if the listings remained, without links to the site? Pharmer4 10:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your question. Having a link to the facts of a band is fine but where the page is simply a self-promoting page then that is not a way of establishing notability. For example for Adrian Ross where the only thing telling us Adrian Ross is a great musician is Adrian Ross' Management site then editors will remove those links.
  • Also where the link is in the body of the page so that clicking on it leads you to an off-wiki page is a no-no. For example the way that the article linked to the Heavy Metal Nation page. So to compromise - yes clearly you can tell us about bands but you may face many questions about why this or that band is on a encyclopedia page about a town. Let me put it this way - imagine if the people interested in Melbourne or Sydney decided that it was a good idea to put every band in the city on the wiki page - absolute chaos right?
  • So if you are interested in promoting the bands (and they are notable) then they may deserve their own page - although there are very strict rules about band notability - see WP:Band.
  • In terms of the fact of the band, or the facts about any other part of Deni, then there is a way of referencing fact which you can find on any featured article (just look at the edit page for all the coding or ask me more questions) but to reiterate I would not think that putting up each bands name is a particularly good way of writing about Deniliquin.--VS talk 10:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


Fair points about Adrian Ross, althugh most of the information about him is offline - I suppose that would mean he is not particularly notable! What information would you class as being removed enough from Adrian to support his notability - would online newspaper articles qualify? And if so, what if referencing such articles requires people to log-on to the newspaper's website?

I would personally disagree about the listing of bands, although linking to their sites is unnecessary, I agree. Many bands are worth noting, just due to their existence and the hard work their members put into the band, although they are not popular enough to warrant their own page. Hence a section on music in Deniliquin is, in my opinion, a perfect place to mention these bands. It gives the bands recognition, and also demonstrates that Deniliquin has a burgeoning creative community (which all towns have of course). As for comparing Melbourne or Sydney to Deniliquin, I see no reason why these places should not also do the same, although due to the large quantity of information, these should probably have their own pages based on bands from that area.

It is a fine line to tread, in my opinion, to arbitrarily decide what information is and is not notable. If someone thinks it important enough to list a band in the firt place, then it is, by definition, notable.

Lastly, I believe putting information about the different festivals held in Deniliquin is also important for the cultural aspects of Deniliquin. many times Night Of Darkness and Shakedown have been removed - these are major events for Deniliquin (given the size of the town - if they were held in Melbourne, perhaps not, but the site is not about Melbourne). I will attempt to re-intriduce information about these and other cultural events in Deniliquin, without linking directly to these pages. As I stated before, I am not trying to promote them - I'd use myspace etc for that, as wikipedia is not an effective way to promote events! For the record I am involved with the organisation of one of these events, but that is not relevent.

Anyway, looking forward to your feedback --Pharmer4 10:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I should have assumed good faith and not simply reverted as a spammer. Thanks VS for doing the right thing and my apologies to Pharmer4.--Mattinbgn/ talk 10:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Good return - you appear to be picking up the intention of my comments - that is not to police you directly but to point you in the another direction and to offer support. There is room for most what you suggest but how you do it will decide whether other editors remove, revert or adjust. Importantly whilst you live in Deniliquin and are close to the article - no-one owns anything that is written. So because Wiki is such a dynamic place you have to be prepared for other editors to adjust, change and disagree. Oh I should say there are strict guidelines about notability at WP:N and verifiabilty at WP:V for you to work out Adrian Ross' place - framed over many years of Wiki and by thousands of editors. My final suggestion is actually that you do take the time to read all of the links that user:Longhair provided - if he hadn't of provided them, I or another editor would have. When you do you will see that the adjustments made by me, and others such as user:Mattinbgn (see his comments above on my talk page) etc are all well meaning and just our attempt at helping Deniliquin get to the stage of being a good encyclopedic article. Keep editing! --VS talk 11:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
    • No probs Matt. I think he is a good editor in the making - obviously keen on country towns (just like us) - needs a little redirection but he seems sure to get there. - We need to get him interested in futher afield than Deni and maybe jump on board with Wikipedia:WikiProject Riverina... --VS talk


Hermit's Cave and Valerio Ricetti

Hey VS. Thanks for the heads-up on the real spelling of Valerio Ricetti. Nice work on that page! It looks like you have already covered a lot of material, so thanks for starting the article. If I come across anything else I will be sure to add it. --Culix 01:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your kind words. Anything you can find will be greatly appreciated. You might have noticed on the talk page that others have suggested the real possibility of FA status ... and some suggested improvements.--VS talk 02:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Banned Gundagai Editor

This particular user is banned (and was blocked by Sarah before I got a chance to do the same). FYI, the previous ArbCom case is at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors. Block them on sight. I don't think anybody has the energy to bother with another round of the trash they've been known to generate. I'm sure you've learned of the recent controversy regarding claimed credentials (Essjay controversy). This user's claim are ill-timed and they're simply back to waste our time, again. Revert their edits, and let me know if you require any blocks on accounts used. Thanks for letting me know they're back. -- Longhair\talk 22:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I noticed Sara's helpful input also. I am and will continue to revert their edits. I notice also (FYI) that this person has set up this user page User:Lotsofpretenddegreeshere since being banned.--VS talk 22:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

That account has also been blocked by Sarah. The game will continue for some time. It always has. Blanket reversion and refusal to play their games are the only remedy we've found that works. -- Longhair\

talk 22:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, understood and will assist (couldn't see block on that last account though?).--VS talk 23:11, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
See the block log. -- Longhair\talk 23:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Lovely - will know to look there next time.--VS talk 23:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

New sockpuppet blocked. See Wikipedia sockpuppets of Rosinaharris -- Longhair\talk 00:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep noticed - have Wikipedia sockpuppets of Rosinaharris on my watchlist.--VS talk 00:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Naughtywattle (talk · contribs) blocked. -- Longhair\talk 03:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for you comment and also for your ongoing reversions and also for Longhair and Sarah's admin interventions. I have to say I liked the last username, it had a certain je ne sais quoi ... then again maybe it is all too boring and sad. It should be so easy to contribute constructively and that editor would have a lot to offer. However, as per Longhair's comment above, the history of many editrs' dealings with her indicates that blanket reversion is the way to go. My response to her is probably not a good idea but I guess I take it too personally.--Golden Wattle talk 04:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I am glad to see you - in your semi-retirement (smile). It is very sad and as you would have seen I offered to help her get past her anger but copped some rudiness for my offer. C'est la vie She could make a great contributor (obviously has plenty of time) if she turned positive. I don't think your comments are a reflection of anything more than your interest in Wiki generally and the Gundagai article specifically. I'll keep watching - if anything (yeah I know imagine me saying this) it makes me think I should work towards becoming an Admin. Stay well trying to stay away.--VS talk 04:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks - I will come out of retirement to support your RFA nomination :-) The frustrating thing about admin powers is then one gets bogged down in trying to keep order in what is necessarily an anarchic website - anarchy produces many benefits but also some disbenefits too - why can't people just behave and do the right thing!--Golden Wattle talk 05:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Sunraysia

That reminds me, I never did find a verifiable answer to the Sunraysia boundary question. Seems nobody here knows either. and libraries here are not like I'm used to in the city. The search continues. -- Longhair\talk 23:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Well (and it's nice to change the subject to something more useful than above) I did manage to find a map that borders the area. I created an initial map/image for Mallee and Sunraysia (and adjusted after some useful comments from another editor) and that map - including references is up on both those pages (with some explanation on Talk Mallee). --VS talk 23:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Robinvale, Victoria and Euston, New South Wales

With both these towns being so close together, I'm a little confused which templates suit. Robinvale currently contains the {{Sunraysia}} template, whereas Euston has the {{Riverina}} template included. Is the boundary of the two areas, Sunraysia and the Riverina somewhere in between these two towns? -- Longhair\talk 12:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Euston was determined by the Riverina Committee to be the furthest southwest part of the Riverina. Because the southern boundary of the Riverina is the New South Wales side of the Murray River Euston just makes it - BUT given the divergence of areas such as the Sunraysia and the Riverina in Australian geography (for example Hattah is in Sunraysia and The Mallee) IMHO Euston could easily be in both the Riverina and Sunraysia. Hope that answers your question?--VS talk 12:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm learning something new every day, still :) Thanks for your concise reply. -- Longhair\talk 12:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

re:Adolfo Cambiaso

Well, I felt a little bit lazy about doing the inline sourcing, specially since the article followed closelly the references, but it does look better now. Take care, --Mariano(t/c) 18:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Template has been removed. Article is lovely now - well done ... perhaps a photograph of the great Adolfito to finish it off a bit more?--VS talk 18:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a picture would be lovely, but I'm affraid it might be hard to get one under the proper licence... --Mariano(t/c) 18:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Evelyn Pitfield Shirley Sturt

Updated DYK query On 6 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Evelyn Pitfield Shirley Sturt, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Gremlins

Thanks. I was getting to that personal attack before you beat me to it :) And yes, if you were to consider the prospect of running for adminship, I'd be supportive. You put in a hell of a lot of good work around here. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 10:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - Happy to help. I am getting more and more serious about adminship, particularly when I see strong admins like yourself and know that I could help in the same way.--VS talk 10:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I haven't looked into any details such as your edit count, edit summary usage, and so forth, but I get a hunch when things feel right. :) Let me know if you ever push ahead with the idea, or given some time for me to check things out thoroughly, I may nominate you myself. -- Longhair\talk 10:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd appreciate you checking things out if you have the time. I'm not in a rush but I am ready to put my hand up and help. I think I have a pretty strong edit count and certainly no major indiscretions (other than a little argument with user:Ambi very early in the piece but that was well over a year ago). Let me know - I won't mind if you tell me I am not right or not ready.--VS talk 10:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

We all have our arguments. I'd gone through one ArbCom case before my successful adminship came about. So long as you've recovered and learned from the experience. :) -- Longhair\talk 10:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Going over your credentials now... what was the article that set off the redlink spat with Ambi? Can you point me to it? Edit count looks great, and well spread about the place. That's a plus! -- Longhair\talk 10:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry it took me a while to remember and then track it down. Redlink removal edits occurred on February 9/10, 2006 as shown here at the talk page.--VS talk 10:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry too much about that encounter. It was a long time ago as you say, and it was hardly a major uproar at the time anyway. Ambi/Rebecca has her moments and isn't afraid to speak her mind at times. I'm impressed however - I like what I see with your edits and from what I've come to know of you editing alongside you with articles on Australian places of late. Any other skeletons in your closet I should know about before I'd support you for what I expect will be a successful request for adminship? -- Longhair\talk 10:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
No other skeletons that I am aware of - other than editors perhaps taking my words badly (although the only one time that I can think of that occuring I tried hard to make wrong right and that editor (user:Golden Wattle) and I have become (I believe) very firm wiki friends - well I admire her totally and I hope it comes across that way.--VS talk 10:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Wattle is fine. I nominated her for adminship myself a while back now. She's a good defender of the wiki and is known for challenging edits that concern her. If you're keen to proceed, I'm keen to present you to the rest of the community via an RfA. An RfA is a lot more fierce nowadays since I ran for adminship some years back, but good editors usually come out the other end with a supportive tone, and a definite challenge ahead. Say when. -- Longhair\talk 11:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your support and I would be very happy to try out. Nothing ventured nothing gained. If you feel like it can you RfA on or after Easter Tuesday?--VS talk 11:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

No problems. I'm happy to lend a hand to constructive editors if it looks like they'll eventually go on and help curb the (ever growing) tide of trolls and vandals that frequent this place. Use the next few days to read up on what being an administrator entails. It's mostly thankless work, but it's a job that needs doing. I'll be in touch... :) -- Longhair\talk 11:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  •  :-) Will do. --VS talk 11:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Steve and Mr Longhair, I was just passing by and noticed this interesting conversation! I hope you boys don't mind if I stick my nose in. Please feel free to tell me to mind my own beeswax. :)

Steve, I think you would be a good potential RfA candidate, but there's just a couple of things that I would suggest if you are thinking about adminship. Looking at your contribs, the big thing I noticed was your Wikipedia edits and I honestly think you would pick up a number of opposers for that. These days at RfA, 142 Wikipedia edits really isn't considered enough and the ones you do have aren't in the areas that RfA !voters are looking for. Most of your WP edits seem to be in projects and ACF, whereas, !voters are looking for lots of edits in admin areas, such as XfD, AIV, ANI, AN etc. In the last 12 months, you've only made about twenty edits to the Wikipedia space and less than 10 of those were to XfD and none to AIV, ANI, AN, etc. People will oppose you for that. They like to see candidates active in admin areas so they can get idea of how they will handle themselves as an admin and apply policy etc. As well, you've been a member for over a year, but you've really only been strongly active for about three or so months which many people consider borderline or an absolute minimum activity time for admin candidates.

I do think you would make a good candidate for adminship and I don't mean to sound discouraging, but I would encourage you to try to get a little more time under your belt so you can build up a stronger edit distribution in administrative areas. I would really hate to see you become discouraged by an RfA and I'd feel really bad if an RfA didn't go well and I hadn't pointed these things out. Take care and I hope you and Mr Longhair both have a very happy and safe Easter. Sarah 15:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, I know this was a couple of months ago and you guys seem to have patched things up since, but it's the sort of thing that gets dragged out and examined at RfA. If you don't seriously believe that the number wiki law is that admins are always right and "lowly" editors are always wrong, it might be a good idea to make a note that it was said in frustration (or whatever) and that the matter was resolved. Sarah 15:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi Sarah, actually I appreciate your putting in your views - so please DON'T mind your own beeswax. Your comments about Wikipedia edits in admin areas, such as XfD, AIV, ANI, AN etc. make good sense to me. In the main this has been because I have been involved in fairly massive tasks at template:Riverina (with the vast majority of 250 or so redlink towns located and started by me and peripheral material added - plus about 250 photographs to commons), Cadastral divisions of New South Wales (nearly finished - with about 7500 Parishes identified and uploaded as single tables on County pages]] etc. That's no excuse except to say that well a fella's time just runs out doing these things first. I am a lot more active in watching for trolls and vandals but that won't show up so much in an edit count I guess. I will be able to put my nose to the Wiki admin areas more in about a week when I finish the county work.
  • In relation to your comment about this that's the matter I was referring to with Golden Wattle to Longhair above. I can point you to this top entry at commons to show you that I apologised to Wattle, and also to the final comment from Golden Wattle in relation to her support of any RfA and the one just above that leads into her support and probably (in the little personal addition between the two of us that I have put in brackets) that links to your thoughts about the frustration I was feeling at the time of Mitta Mitta.
  • All of that said your thoughts and the way they influence Mr Longhair do matter to me so if you believe now is not the time he should consider that also and between the two of you let me know what is best. (I will let him know of your message and my response just in case he hasn't seen it). One thing I will not become is despondent or discouraged if you both consider now is not the time or if I do fail an initial nomination.

I appreciate any more thoughts. --VS talk 21:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd be listening to Sarah; she's more of a regular at RfA than I am these days and has her finger on the pulse. Even though you're a fine candidate, some members of the community do require you to have exposure to all areas of the 'pedia before a request for adminship will be successful. I know you'd make a fine admin, but I'm only one voice among many. I did notice your absence with editing of several months last night while we were discussing this but you have done some pretty solid editing since. I'd be supportive, but I'm willing to allow some time for you to get some more water under your bridge if that's what you feel is the best move. Adminship is no big deal they say. Just becoming one is it seems :) -- Longhair\talk 22:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

That's no problems Longhair - I can wait - my thoughts over the past couple of weeks have been that I can help with what you, Sarah, Golden Wattle etc are doing. My personal and work life are at a stage now where I can and want to be on Wiki a heck of a lot (my girlfriend says she is a wiki-widow!). Sarah's comments are very helpful. Let's wait and I'll ask her through this message to keep an eye on my edits and perhsps she won't mind letting me know when I reach a better stage of wiki life.--VS talk 23:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Steve, thanks for pointing out the Commons link where you apologised to GW. That's great and I think that whole situation is actually a positive and would be a good thing to include in your answer to the question about conflict with other users as it shows that you're not too proud to admit your mistakes and are able to recognise when you need to step back and apologise.
I have been pleased to see your name on ANI and RFA recently. By the way, I noticed that you basically do WP:AIV reporting, just not on the right page! At the moment, when you encounter someone who needs a block, you go directly to a friendly admin, rather than WP:AIV, which is fine, but I would really recommend that you post any future reports to AIV because that is one of the things that many RfA !voters look for. You can still post block requests to Longhair or myself as well, just make sure you get the AIV report done. Other than that, however, I think you look like a great potential admin candidate. If you just spend the next month or so working on the Wikipedia-space and demonstrating that you can apply the releavant policies and have lots of common-sense (which you do), I think you will breeze through RfA.
You mentioned above that you would like me to keep an eye out and let you know when I think you might be ready. I would be very pleased to do that and I would also be happy to offer a co-nom with Mr Longhair, if you would like that.
Thank you for your very kind and insightful comments above and I am happy to know that you found my initial comment helpful. If you need a hand with anything, please feel free to give me a yell. I hope you and your family have enjoyed a great Easter weekend.:) Take care, Sarah 10:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks Sarah. I have had a great Easter - lot's of good healthy chocolate:-D Thanks for picking up on my WP:AIV work on the side - and yes I will post also to there to get the appropriate skills and composite recognition. I would be pleased if you let me know when you think I am ready - in fact when you do think that then please feel free to nominate solo or with Mr Longhair and I will be proud to accept formally. I am in absolutely no rush and I am enjoying my standard editing way enough to continue and continue and continue. Thank you again.--VS talk 10:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Steve, I'm glad you enjoyed Easter and that you have had a healthy dose of Vitamin Chocolate.:) Not to put any pressure on you, but I expect great things from your RfA. So far, everyone I have nominated for adminship has made it onto WP:100 and two made it onto WP:200. No pressure or anything! LOL. ;D Take care, Steve, Sarah 10:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

LOL - Perhaps I should have kept some of that chocolate to offer as a lure. I'll do my best, promise!--VS talk 11:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy Easter

Happy Easter Steve! Also, thankyou for the help that you have given me when I was first starting. Harrison- HB4026 00:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Happy Easter to you too Harrison. Thank you for thanking me. I will still be around whenever you want help (even though I know you have a great adopter looking after you now also). Take care over the break.--VS talk 00:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thankyou. I honestly think that you should soon become an administrator. I would nominate you if i could and if you would like. Harrison- HB4026 03:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

I saw this while looking at the awards and I would like to award you and User:Sarah with it

  • Thanks - a chocolate chip cookie for Easter is perfect.--VS talk 10:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
For Assistance to User:HB4026 while establishing himself on Wikipedia.Harrison- HB4026 04:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
For Assistance to User:HB4026 while establishing himself on Wikipedia.Harrison- HB4026 04:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Your Welcome

Your welcome. It is my pleasure to award you with a WikiCookie for all the help that you gave me. BTW What do you think about the administrator idea? Harrison- HB4026 10:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC) P.S The WikiCookie is meant to be an award so Ill add it to your 'collection'.


  • I thank you for your support but I am going to take Sarah's advice and wait for her to tell me when she thinks it will be a good time for me to try. I am not in a rush at all and I think that waiting will make for a better administrator especially as the one thing overriding fact about wiki is that we all can learn something new every day. For you - I note that your adopter and I have both suggested the same thing - that is that you get stuck into editing widely and well - and that you will make many wiki friends that way. (PS I did notice that you were a teenager too and I think that you could easily become a great editor - just do your research and spend as much time as possible adding to and improving articles). (Oh and I will add your cookie to my list of awards). Cheers!--VS talk 10:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • There we go. I had to 'muck around' with that to get it right. I thought you didnt notice that I was a teenager:). Don't worry, whenever you wan't to become an administrator I will nominate you in a heartbeat. ThanksHarrison- HB4026 10:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


user talk edits

Thanks for fixing that, I couldn't work out what had changed! SGGH 23:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

  • My pleasure - the congrats box someone provided to you was just missing this bit of coding after the font=yellow command. Hope your enjoying a lovely Easter morning.--VS talk 23:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


QXZ-ads

Hey Steve. Could you please read User:SGGH's talk page because I have left a message regarding the QXZ-ads that both you and I have on our user pages. ThanksHarrison- HB4026 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You are having problems sometimes; the same as mine. The ads are not always showing up. Harrison- HB4026 08:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Oh, if you see that it is probably just the wikipedia servers slowing down and catching up across the whole of the wiki system.--VS talk 08:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Thanks. I couldn't work it out. I thought that it was a bit strange.Harrison- HB4026 08:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Protection

I'm aware of how this editor operates and the articles she targets. I've tolerated this pest for well beyond 6 months now and I fully expect her to move onto other targets such as Coolac, and when that's protected, Indigenous Australians and the like... She sure has a lot of unresolved anger within that'd be better dealt with elsewhere before she bothers to edit here. Her ban is being reset everytime she bothers us btw. If you spot the vandal, please alert either myself or other admins aware of the situation of the pests' whereabouts. -- Longhair\talk 09:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

  • I certainly will.--VS talk 09:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Jessiemay is her alright. I didn't block them outright upon their first edit as I was hoping they'd edit a little further to reveal themselves, but I'm convinced it's just another sockpuppet and they've now been blocked accordingly. Other 'reasonable people' would read over the links to the ArbCom case I provided and realise the blocks were in order. Only the culprit themselves would disagree. -- Longhair\talk 05:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
In reply to your other question, see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser. -- Longhair\talk 05:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - thought so - thanks also for the link to Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser--VS talk 06:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


Ganmain

Great Picture! I clicked on it expecting to see a public domain tag! I am uploading some photos of the western Riverina at the moment, including Maude, Oxley, Penarie, Balranald, Kyalite and Tooleybuc, but nothing half as good. --Mattinbgn/ talk 23:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks - a bit lucky with that one - pulled up for 15 minutes to see 5 or 6 Vintage Car enthusiasts literally pulling out and thought quick-click... I had noticed the Maude pics - sorry didn't realise you weren't finished and updated the photos wanted list on the info box. Hope you enjoyed your break - sounds like you probably did?--VS talk 00:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Technically I am still on the break (and enjoying it!), but I couldn't wait to get these photos up.--Mattinbgn/ talk 00:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the Barnstar. It was a pleasant surprise. I have a few more journeys up my sleeve yet! --Mattinbgn/ talk 03:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure - I look forward to seeing the results of your few more journeys.--VS talk 03:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Ford AU Falcon

Hi Steve. What do you think about my article that I just heavily rewrote? Harrison-HB4026 04:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi Harrison,
  • You asked me for my review of this article here and so I will respond below somewhat briefly (there may other points that other editors have). I note the good changes made as a general comment - well done! ... but to go to the critique I have following views...
  1. I think the lead section works reasonably well but needs citations or inline referencing particularly at the third paragraph which reports the notable controversies of the model (both the styling and the engine) but fails to provide a verifiable link/s to where the concerns came from.
  2. In that same lead section you refer to NVH which leads to a disabiguation page - of course I know what you mean but I think you should put in a pipe link (ask if you don't know how) so as to bring the reader directly to the page you mean.
  3. Similarly you refer to disappointing sales but the reader (a) has no idea how to measure this by the lack of numbers or 9b) can not refere again to an inline reference to show that there was in fact a disappointment by car dealerships or Ford.
  4. Paragraph 4 also talks of complaints and would be improved if references were provided in a couple of locations.
  5. I think that most editors that concern themselves with references would suggest that inline references are put into the following format (again if you need help please ask me) <ref name="WEBSITE NAME">{{cite web | url = XXX.html | title = WEBPAGE NAME | publisher = PUBLISHER NAME | accessdate = YYYY-MM-DD }}</ref>.
  6. I think that the section headed Available features on the base model Forte would be vastly improved if it was put into a table - if you need help let me know.
  7. Finally - the mark of a great editor is careful proof-reading for grammar and spelling. We all make mistakes of course (and some or all of them may not be your writing) but considering this is your current 'signature' article you need to look very carefully. The following words (at least) are mispelled ... millenium, leveled, dissapointing, comftorbale, Vechiles (several times), it’s (a couple of times), Sillouette, woodgrain (a couple of times) and bootlid. Which leads me to suggest (in absolute kindness and knowing how keen you are to becoming a great editor) that this is the exact reason why you should never put a comment like you have on the article talk page (in the form of This article is fully edited etc.) on any article - because the nature of Wikipedia is that no article probably ever reaches such a stage and no-one has ownership over an article to decree that this should occur. (In fact I think that you should go and strike through the comment and perhaps make another comment to show that you have learned that this is not the done thing).
  • Finally I suggest that you keep editing - fix some or all of these suggestions and then move on to show your keeness at other articles (and probably other topics).--VS talk 06:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for reviewing my article. I will respond to the points that you have given me in point form so it makes sense.

1. When I wrote this article I used some of the words that were already there and I thought they sounded good- so I left them there. I will though add some links.

2. Ill fix the link.

3. Ill re-word disappointing sales to something like 'sales were not as high that Ford Australia hoped'

4. Ill put some references in.

5. Thanks for the tip. Ill use it.

6. Can you help me with the table?

7. Sorry, I type quickly and I don't always check my spelling. I will also put a line through it and write something to apologise, I didn't mean it in a rude way.

Thanks for these tips. Its great to have somebody to do this for me. ThanksHarrison-HB4026 08:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

By the way I am quite busy at the moment so I can't get to it right now so the things that aren't priority will be done as soon as I can.

Ford AU Falcon (2)

I have fixed it up now, so could you please re-rate it for me? Harrison-HB4026 01:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah I noticed the mistakes in spelling in the history page, I thought that I got them all. I must have missed them. Could you please teach me how to do a table? ThanksHarrison-HB4026 02:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Harrison - teaching you is a bit difficult over the airwaves. I have taken the opportunity to put the data into one for you and posted it to the page. They are a fair bit of work but look good once done. Have a look at the coding and you will start to pick it up I'm sure. I have also finished reviewing the article - made the adjustments that you have now seen and I think your work has brought it up to a fine shape. So my question to you now is - What's your next article?--VS talk 02:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I would like to suggest two things:

1. The table looks great. However I believe that the table should be placed in a 'drop-down' box, so I will do that.

2. I think that the article is better than a 'start', can you change it to a B article please?

By the way, Im not fully sure what article I am going to do next, so I will just place in the drop-down box and then I will consider it then.

Thanks for your help.Harrison-HB4026 03:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Harrison - It was my pleasure to help. In relation to your comment about re-grading the article - it is probably improper for me to make any higher adjustment than Start as I have had a bit to do with the article. I suggest you go HERE and make a request for assessment. Also can I suggest that you do not remove comment from the talk pages - I appreciate you may have felt a little embarrassed about the comment BUT it should remain as a record - partially because it will give other editors a track record of watching you grow through the project. Finally can I also suggest that you go to this page ... it will give you your current edit count. You will see that the vast majority of your edits do not have an edit summary (which is a big problem for up and coming editors such as yourself). MY POINT - Put in an edit summary in each of your changes - each and every one so that you get the proper recognition for being a good editor. I hope my comments help?--VS talk 03:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I have one more thing to do- I am not happy with an article until everything is done. Harrison-HB4026 03:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Mikeblas' RfA

Regarding your voting comment here: I'm inclined to believe Mikeblas only meant to illustrate the newbie's perspective with the expression. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Fair enough - I appreciate your point - BUT I wonder can you show me where Mikeblas has refuted my concern over the use of this otherwise uncivil language? If he has already (before now) then I will be happy to reconsider my !vote.--VS talk 03:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The RfA has been closed. Without the two of us supporting. So what? :) —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough - I didn't see the closure come up on my watchlist when I replied to you. I will send my congratulations to him then.--VS talk 04:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

AIV (220.245.100.250)

Thanks for reporting 220.245.100.250 to WP:AIV. While I agree that the edit in question is unpleasant, we really can't block the user until they've vandalised after a final warning.-- Waggers 09:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Fair enough I expected that to be the case. I did put a warning on their page also and I was happy to just the let the community know. Cheers --VS talk 10:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

EmailCash

Thanks for the support (and the advise on signing my name.) Personally I would not be one to support something like EmailCash, however I feel many Aspects of Australian society have been neglected or not mentioned on Wikipedia. Anyway thanks again. Bandwagonman 10:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Pleasure - thanks for being a part of Wikipedia - have you considered joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia - there is a large group of us dedicated to this work? We always welcome new members... --VS talk 11:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia, however I have followed the links and joined the cause, again thanks for all the assistance, Wikipedia is a confusing place as a new user...

  • Excellent great to have you on board - you'll find every one of us helpful. Question I assume that you know about maintaining someone or something on your watch list? Just in case you don't go back to my talk page and then click on the watch tab near the top right corner and then you will be able to go to your my watchlist and you will see things that happen on my page (and any others that you also watchlist) - this will help you see Oz projects and other users who are talking to me and you can go to those pages and help out. Again glad to see you become a part of wiki in this way and please ask anytime you need any help - if I don't know then I will know who to go to to get an answer.--VS talk 12:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: User:MuddledVS

I know, I thought exactly the same thing. :) You know you're doing good work when the trolls, vandals and banned users name a single purpose account after you and then use it to rant about you! Sarah 05:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Still smiling - seriously I've almost been at the point of joyous laughter since I first saw it.--VS talk 05:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedies

Hi, I saw your work at WP:AN. If you think an article is warranted then just remove the tag with an appropriate edit summary. The original tagger can always take it to prod or AfD, if they feel deeply about the article's existence! Have fun. -- RealSteve (Stephen) talk 06:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Okay I will next time - thanks for the heads up (wasn't sure if I was overstepping just in case it wrecked the tracking system). BTW - I liked your play on our usernames. Cheers--VS talk 06:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Dilpurra, New South Wales

Hey,

No problem about fixing it up. I'm afraid I don't live in the area; I came across the article by chance whilst browsing Google Earth. As you may know, Google Earth plots Wikipedia articles on the map which have GPS cords listed. I just happened to notice that Google Earth had plotted Dilpurra in the middle of the ocean, which I figured wasn't exactly correct. I'm afraid my time on Wikipedia as an editor has been greatly reduced of late due to University work, so I am unable to take up your offer of joining your project. I do, however, wish you the best of luck in it. --DWZ (talk • email • contribs) 07:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Advertisment for WP: Australia

Considering that both you and I are members of WP:Australia, I was wondering if it would be a good idea to get a qxz ad advertising WP:Oz. If you think it is a good idea, tell me and I can make it happen. Thanks Harrison-HB4026 07:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Actually I was wondering about that myself a couple of weeks ago but the truth is there are a good deal of members on WP:Australia already and there are a lot of admins etc who may want to have something to say before we ask Qxz. I suggest that you put up a question on WP:Australia to see what the consensus view is on the matter.--VS talk 07:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK's and Featured pictures

Hi, Just wondering how do you create DYK's and what happened with the Feature of the Week that you have? ThanksHarrison-HB4026 10:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • In relation to featured pics - I take a lot of photographs and some of them are judged pretty good by others - see here for all of my pics on Commons (there are over 25of of them. Mattinbgn nominated one of mine to the Australian Portal and they chose it. (PS it will take a while to download as you will get a thumbnail of all of my images).
  • In relation to DYK's What SGGH says on your talk page is the exact way to write a DYK. But to help you even more - can you remember that I have asked you a couple of times what is your next article (and you haven't been able to answer as yet?) .... Let me put it this way see if you can think of an article that isn't up on Wiki as yet - Brand New and particularly interesting and then get back to me on it we can together (that is with both of us editing - and your patience (an important skill on Wiki also) write a DYK and see if we can get it up on the main page. Deal? But your job is to find something new and interesting because we need to have a hook to catch our DYK assessors with. Get back to me before you start so I can pre-assess your idea.--VS talk 10:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi Steve. I have been thinking, (and brainstorming for that matter) and I stumbled on the non existent Judy Morris article; who you may know starred in things such as Bangkok Hilton and Mother and Son. Now, I Googled her and found her IMDB article, with alot of information. Sounds good to you? Harrison-HB4026 11:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Two Questions

1.License? What license? Oh Licence. Um... not to be rude, but, why do you want to know?

2.I guess so, if it's for the good of Wikipedia:)

Harrison-HB4026 11:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Hello Steve. First of all it will be a few years until I am of legal age to get my license, and I would like to apologise. I am trying to do my best with my edit summaries (no excuse anyway) but sometime I do forget. Also, I do try to take all of your advice; maybe I should me more dilligent in it though.

P.S Thanks for the 'kick up the preverbial'. Harrison-HB4026 11:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Okay good response on my page - you get a silent badge from me for maturity. So first look up to your top left where it says your name, then my talk, then my preferences. Click on my preferences. When the new page opens click on the tab that says editing. At the bottom of the list you will see the words .... Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary click on the box to the left. This will ensure that you can not save unless you put in an edit summary.
  • Second lets move to your/our DYK. Tonight and tomorrow I want you to find as many external links of quality that you can about Judy Morris. Then I want you to start the article just with the basics, name date of birth etc nothing else because we will put it into a biography format - put in an External References sub-heading and put all of the references you found into that area. Once you have done that let me know - I will reformat a little as soon as I get the chance and then you can do the rest of the editing. We will have 4 and a half days to finalise the article to a DYK point so don't start it until you have done the reading and research. How does that sound? I'll speak to you tomorrow. Cheers until then.--VS talk 11:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Sounds good. Considering of the free time that I have I will get to it first thing in the morning. Thanks for your help Harrison-HB4026 11:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi Steve. Check out these three references.

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1. Do you think these three links are substantial enough or do we need more?

2. Do you think we need more info? I honestly don't and think there is enough here.

I have started the article, have a look. What do you think?

Harrison-HB4026 23:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Sure. I would also like to inform you that I am taking a Wikibreak after we have finished the DYK (for personal matters) for around a month. I intend to finish this though. Harrison-HB4026 00:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Steve. I have a problem regarding an image of Judy Morris because the only ones I know of are on websites. Harrison-HB4026 00:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi. I have been working on the Judy article today as well as organising other things such as the qxz ads item (I have only placed a notice in WP:AUS and asked Sarah) and also have been working other stuff that I would like to accomplish such as the Featured Picture thing. Don;t worry, I am working on it. Harrison-HB4026 05:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • BTW, you would not believe how hard it is to find info on Judy Morris, the only bio that exists about her says that she was born in 47, and became an actress in the 70's. I will have to read between the lines.Harrison-HB4026 05:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Judy Morris article you ask? All done. Also, in your spare time check out some of the photo's on my userpage. Do they have the criteria of Featured picture status? ThanksHarrison-HB4026 09:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool okay let me look at it all in detail and see if we can find a hook. I will get back to you tomorrow if that's okay because I have so much on tonight?--VS talk 09:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure, take your time. I have tried to place a hook in the first paragraph. Thanks for all of your help.

  • Ok. Can we both work on them tomorrow? I heed a break. Talk to you tomorrow. Harrison-HB4026 10:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

No problems at all - tomorrow is fine. Have a good night.--VS talk 10:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi Steve. The 'works' section is reformatted. Harrison-HB4026 05:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Howdy Harrison - good stuff - I will look at it a bit later if that's okay? I'm wondering about the hook also - at this stage we seem to be saying something like (Did you know) ... That Judy Morris is an Australia actor and she has made movies and films etc - which I think will just receive a "so what" at this stage ... what are your thoughts?--VS talk 05:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Hmmm...I agree with you. I was wondering wether we should either search for more information in the hope that we will find something more intresting or we should enter the hook that is similar to what we have been saying and hope for the best. What do you think? Harrison-HB4026 05:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Well I wouldn't want to hope for the best (I'm a bit intense that way and like to get things as right as I can rather than just keep my fingers crossed) and we have the whole weekend to play with the article and do research - so I would rather that we find something else - certainly that is what I will be doing to top up your great work and start on this article. Then say Monday or maybe earlier (if we're both happy to put our hands up for a DYK) - I would like to co-nom it under both our names?--VS talk 05:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, then I will start looking for some more info. Also, I thought we were going to co-nominate with both of our names anyway when you originally gave me that proposition. It would only be fair because you did as much work as me. Harrison-HB4026 05:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • It's a deal. BTW - did you get a chance to read my latest DYK? (Link near the bottom of my talk page?)--VS talk 05:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeah I did. It looks great. I have googled Judy Morris again in search for information and there is nothing other than her filmography and they all have the same 7 word biography: Lead actress, on screen since the 70s. Harrison-HB4026 05:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)