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New account

Hi Viriditas. Your edits as Thomas veil have now been reattributed to this account. Regards — Kate Turner | Talk 11:50, 2004 Sep 8 (UTC)

JWC redirect

I think what you've done is fine for now; let's see if the anonymous user comes back. Jayjg 02:03, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

On second thought, I've redirected to Conspiracy_theory#Anti-Semitic_belief_systems which seems more appropriate. Jayjg 02:25, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks for your help. --Viriditas 02:28, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Starseeds

Quisling! JamesMLane 00:36, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

See [1]. --Viriditas 02:26, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well, the starseeds never tried to conquer Earth. See, the Kzinti were kicking our tails, so the Puppeteers, fearing an overly powerful Kzin Empire, shot a starseed lure into our sun, so that a starseed would show up, with an Outsiders ship following, and then, as the Puppeteers had foreseen, the Outsiders sold us the technology that enabled us to defeat the Kzinti. Maybe all that should be explained in the starseeds article. Meanwhile, I'm sorry to break it to you, but you won't get anywhere by brown-nosing the starseeds. They couldn't care less. JamesMLane 02:55, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I agree, that stuff should be added to the page. BTW, do you have any idea if catnip has any effect on the Kzinti? Heh. I wonder if the writers for Red Dwarf borrowed Niven's idea when they came up with the Felis sapiens character of The Cat. I also question why Star Trek neglected to use the Kzinti in the television series. --Viriditas 05:11, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Cancer Coast / Cancer Clusters

Regarding your comments on VFD about what to do about the Cancer Coast article, I can see either moving the content into a new list article or merging with the cancer cluster article, although I suppose just linking to cancer coast from either would also work. As long as something is done to make the Cancer Coast information accessible, with a clear path from Cancer itself, I think Wikipedia readers will be very well served. This is just my personal opinion, and others may have their own views; that said, I cannot see how you can go terribly wrong in this situation. - RedWordSmith 17:11, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I agree with you, but I think any link to cancer coast on the cancer article page will be removed quickly. That is to say, some people are very hostile to negative datasets, and I can't see it remaining linked on that page for very long. I will attempt to merge the info on the cancer cluster page in the next day or so, and perhaps find some good places to link. I will notify you on your talk page when I do it. Thanks. --Viriditas 11:08, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. The Cancer cluster article looks very good now. - RedWordSmith 06:14, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

RfC

I have opened a RfC concerning Alberuni. If you feel you can comment on this, please view Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Alberuni Jayjg 14:38, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Jirate

Hi Veriditas - you say you have "linked" Jirate to Stormfront. How? Is there any substance to this allegation? - pir 13:14, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I'm pretty impressed with your ability to dig up information. However, I think the most likely explanation is that he just found the website through simple google search (I didn't read the website, but the neo-Nazi link isn't necessarily obvious at once). In the UK, people with proper neo-Nazi sympathies are very rare, the only group which has any size now is the BNP with maybe 5 thousand supporters, and they have laid off the anti-Semitic rhetoric lately (they actually had a couple of Jewish candidates in recent elections). Personally I think it's best to reserve such serious accusations for more serious cases, because they do a lot of damage to the debate at Wikipedia when they are erronious, and an inflation of such accusations banalises anti-Semitism. But that's just my opinion. - pir 22:45, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree with your opinion. --Viriditas 22:47, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that Igor guy as well. I was pretty stunned. I don't know, but I think there aren't many people like that around. Their presence is (I believe) far more prominent on the Internet than in real-life. I guess the reason is that they are very marginalised - everybody hates them, they are just thoroughly discredited as a political, or rather, ideological, force - so the Internet is their only outlet. I think there's actually more of them in the US. The first time I came across a proper neo-Nazi was on a mailinglist on US politics, which was a .... weird experience, a bit anachonistic, like receiving an e-mail that took 60 years to be delivered. The mailinglist moderator was an anarchist who refused to censor any political views, but in the end the guy got kicked off because of his abusive behaviour. - pir 23:11, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hello Viriditas - thanks for your message and sorry for geetting back to you so late (I decided to do a bit more work in the "real world" and a bit less at Wikipedia). I archived all my talk just now, so the Jirate stuff is not visible on my talk page anymore. Also, I applaud your decision back, and apologise for, your comment about him - not everybody everybody is big enough for such moves and it adds to your integrity. regards - pir 16:04, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sabra and Shatila massacre

Please note, usual nonsense of major POV edits with no explanations on the Sabra and Shatila Massacre article. Jayjg 19:58, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Also note 1982 Lebanon War for similar behaviour by a different user. Jayjg 20:35, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Regularly updated list

I'm just going to keep a regularly updated list at User:Jayjg Jayjg 03:33, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

New project

It's a interesting idea, though a large undertaking. I worry that it would simply devolve into another set of Neutral POV vs. anti-Israel POV impasses though, much as the articles have. Jayjg 14:36, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

HistoryBuffEr's RFC against Proteus

You might be interested in this: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus. Regards, Jayjg 21:51, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Matriarchy

I have added some references to the Matriarchy page per your request. FWIW, the comparison between Spain and the Netherlands means only what it says: that there is no necessary relationship between the worship of a goddess and the legal and political status of women. (Economic factors seem decisive in this case, as usual.)

My understanding is, current scholarship is fairly sceptical of whether a "Minoan Great Goddess" actually existed. Most of the snake-goddess figurines, most notably the Boston Snake Goddess, have been fingered as forgeries. (See K. Lapatin's Mysteries of the Snake Goddess: Art, Desire, and the Forging of History ISBN 0306813289) The Linear B material is mostly laundry lists and other non-literary stuff; we can't yet read Linear A, so any statement about their beliefs is still going to be conjecture. Smerdis of Tlön 14:24, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Terrorist categories

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion has two lists of categories related to terrorists up for deletion. Jayjg 20:48, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Maria Czaplicka

A pic of her would be nice indeed. Unfortunately I couldn't find any on the web. I'm sure I saw her picture in some anthology of texts some time ago, but I don't have it at home. Perhaps they have something in Oxford.

As to the article itself - I simply got pissed off that yet another of my fellow countrymen is described under some foreign name :) It is based on what I remember from one of the lectures long time ago and two articles I could find on the web. I don't remember if that book was indeed her thesis, but it is highly probable. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 06:23, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

Slogan

So far as I know, that's the way we're supposed to label slogans. Rick K 06:29, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

Well, the capitalization was wrong, anyway. :) Rick K 06:36, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't argue about moving it to a lower case version. Rick K 23:36, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

NPOVing Yasser Arafat

The POV warriors are busy trying to insert bias into and delete fact from Yasser Arafat; would you mind keeping an eye on the article so they don't destroy it? Jayjg 09:30, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Aside from that, their latest target for POVing is Ariel Sharon. Jayjg 03:21, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

US president,george w bush

It's gone. You can always put a speedy delete header on these things. Rick K 23:34, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

Dore Gold

Any particular reason you reverted my revert at Dore Gold? Thanks. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 03:09, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well, common sense would be a start. Another reason would be the fact that continual reverts without participation in the Talk: page are often perceived as vandalism; quite rightly in my mind. Jayjg 03:16, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Common sense? Haha. Your edits are POV deletions of information designed to promote a pro-Israel POV by removing references to Israeli terrorism. You are a POV warrior; THAT is common sense. 03:54, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

LOL! Good one!! Jayjg 03:57, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Where's the funny part? BLANKFAZE | (что??) 04:05, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

All of it! You really made my day, thanks. :-) Jayjg 04:10, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No problem, sir, just keeping it real. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 04:16, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm not terribly well informed on the conflict, nor do I have strong opinions either way, but I think it would be much better for Wikipedia to avoid dueling articles. The whole reason this project works is eyeballs. If articles segregate themselves as these have, the amount of oversight drops and the project suffers. Cool Hand Luke 05:11, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Opinion for IZAK

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK/Evidence. Thank you. IZAK 07:47, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dore Gold protection

While you are correct, there is nothing you can do about it. If the person who protected it responds at all, it will be to quote Wikipedia:The Wrong Version to you. Jayjg 16:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

HistoryBuffEr arbitration

I've asked for Arbitration on HistoryBuffEr. You'll find the relevant section on WP:RFAR. Jayjg 19:22, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Could you please e-mail me?

Could you please e-mail me at viritalk - at - hotmail.com? Jayjg 23:58, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC) (replace the - at - with an @ ). Thanks. Jayjg 23:58, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Vanunu

You're correct re: scientist vs. technician. I failed to see that. Thanks Jewbacca 14:43, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Munich Massacre

Regarding Talk:Munich Massacre, any comments you have about a user belong on that user's talk page. The talk page for Munich Massacre should be used exclusively for discussion about the article itself, not the participants. Thanks, – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 21:57, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

I have attempted a compromise version of Munich Massacre that incorporates the best parts of both versions. Improvements are welcome, but I would like to humbly ask that you not do a blanket revert, as you would be reverting good edits as well as bad. Thanks! – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 22:21, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

(By the way, thanks for your comment on my talk page. I understand. As much as I treasure anonymnity, it does bring out the worst in some people. . .)

Vanunu 2

Removing bias is not "censorship". You posted an editorial, not a news headline. The description you offered deviated from objectivity in a number of key areas. One, you claimed he was a scientist to bolster his credibility, when in fact he was a subordinate technician. Two, you claimed that he gave an interview (no evidence of which was given) where he made a wild claim about Israel and JFK, (an insane claim since JFK was the biggest supporter of Israel ever, at that time). Thirdly, you tried to connect his arrest to your claim, and by doing so you invented a news story that did not otherwise exist. Lastly, you seem to be incapable of recognizing your bias, which I find highly disturbing for someone who runs a project devoted to eliminating bias. Physician, heal thyself. --Viriditas 21:14, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tell me where I stated he was a "scientist". And are you telling me he didn't give an interview? - Xed 08:03, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Keeping "In the news" NPOV and credible

Following various attempts to add partisan and fringe stories to Template:In the news, I've proposed a new criterion to keep such stuff out. Could you please take a look at Wikipedia talk:In the news section on the Main Page and let me know what you think? -- ChrisO 17:15, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yasser Arafat

User:HistoryBuffEr is vandalizing Yasser Arafat, see Talk:Yasser_Arafat#HistoryBuffEr_warnings. You might want to put an eye. MathKnight 21:46, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Page Renaming Poll

Thanks for the comments Viriditas. I agree, a poll is a good idea, informal or not, please do whatever you think is necessary. Neutralisation 01:55, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think we should strive for consensus first, but will support a poll if that breaks down. I would like to be as consensus-driven as possible for now, because we may well need to use polls later for the content. Cool Hand Luke 06:06, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yasser Arafat article

HistoryBuffEr is POVing it again. Ambi's version is the last NPOV one, you might want to revert it to that. Jayjg 05:03, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Exactly. If you revert to Ambi's version, he will have to violate the rule to return his POV. Jayjg 05:08, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hasbara

Looks like HistoryBuffEr's getting pretty high on the revert total on Hasbara as well. Jayjg 05:49, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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