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[edit] Hawaii cities

The thing is that someone is insisting that Hilo is a city (see the talk page), even saying that the local government calls it a city: and I'm trying to find an explicit reference — without reading through the entirety of the Hawaii Revised Statutes — to the effect that there aren't any cities except Honolulu. My big problem is the total lack of captions for the Statutes (see Vermont for a good example) to enable me to browse through them without clicking on each section. I've tried searching for "city", but virtually everything I get deals with Honolulu: I can't find anything discussing local government statewide. Nyttend (talk) 02:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

It makes no difference if the Hawaii Legislature declared that there are no cities in Hawaii except Honolulu. The fact remains that Hilo is a city in the English meaning of the term, perhaps a town. The fact that the local government calls it a city is only relevant to your argument that the usage of the local government binds the English-speaking world, an argument you abandoned when it contradicted the conclusion you wanted to reach. —Centrx→talk • 03:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Nyttend, welcome to Hawaii. It's impossible to find anything here without talking story for at least thirty minutes first and then trying some of the local fare. By that time, your belly is full and you've forgotten what you're looking for in the first place. :) Centrx, I don't know who is right or wrong on this, but I'm going to assume for the moment that Hilo is considered a town unless I see good evidence otherwise, so I'm leaning towards Nyttend on this. Viriditas (talk) 09:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Town is okay; because of its urbanness relative to the rest of Hawaii, it is called a city in many sources. Nyttend wants to describe it in the first sentence, and possibly throughout the article, as "Hilo is a census-designated place...", which is a term invented specifically for the U.S. Census, which is less accurate than "town" or "city", and which is unhelpful to any reader of the English language. —Centrx→talk • 18:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Centering

Hawaiian Consorts

Queen Kaʻahumanu,
(1795-1832)

Queen Victoria Kamamalu,
(1819-1824)

Queen Kalama,
(1837-1854)

Queen Emma Naʻea,
(1855-1863)

Queen Esther Kapiʻolani,
(1874-1891)

Prince Consort John Owen Dominis,
(1891-1893)


Merrie Monarchs

Andrianampoinimerina,
(1795-1819)

Radama I,
(1810-1828)

Ranavalona I,
(1828-1861)

Radama II,
(1861-1863
Rasoherina 1.jpg

Rasoherina,
(1863-1868)

Ranavalona II,
(1868-1883)

Ranavalona III,
(1883-1897)

How do you make she galleries centered both on top and bottom, so that the Hawaiian consort gallery is 2 by 3 and the Merina monarchs gallery has 4 picture on top and 3 centered pictures on the bottom? KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Family Tree

Do you know how to make a family tree? If you don't do you know any user who does? I make a model of it in the edit mode in the near future, not now though. KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Also you centered the gallery but it also center everying else after the gallery ends.


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[edit] My editing

There is no question that I screwed up by sending out that e-mail. I accept that it is a violation of the canvassing rules, and I will never do anything like that again, and will abide by whatever consequences come from that.

But since you've shown an interest and contacted me directly before, I'd like to point out that my editing HAS improved a great deal since the Arbcom, and part of the decisions the Arbcom came to even said so at that point; Pigman, Kathryn & Mattisse just can't accept it.

Here's a link to an analysis I've made of all the articles I've ever written, and every edit I've made to them since the Arbcom [1]. I posted it to Revolving Bugbear for now, asking for his comments before I post whatever would be useful to wherever it should go. Here, also, is the specific analysis of the articles written since the Arbcom.

Since the Arbcom, I have written or re-created with improvements 27 articles. They are: Ted Andrews, Badi Assad, Pamela J. Ball, Chas S. Clifton, D. J. Conway, Vivianne Crowley, Nevill Drury, Ed Fitch, Gnosticon, Grey School of Wizardry, Laura Huxley, Amber K, Sirona Knight, Lehto and Wright, Nicholas Mann, Al G. Manning, Sally Morningstar, Dorothy Morrison, Morwyn, Ann Moura, Red Dog Experience, Gabrielle Roth, Fred Schrier, Bernie Siegel, Luisah Teish, Patricia Telesco, Amber Wolfe Of these, 5 have or had internal links to either Starwood or ACE:

Amber K – I posted this one from old notes, and forgot it mentioned her appearance at Starwood. Pigman deleted it, and I did not revert or comment.

Lehto and Wright – had a “Performance Venues” section containing 18 venues, the Starwood Festival being one of them. Pigman deleted entire section as “listcruft” and unencyclopedic. I neither revert nor comment.

Fred Schrier – contains mention of his obituary/memorial of partner Dave Sheridan printed in ACE periodical Changeling Times in 1982, in text of article along with every other magazine he has written or contributed to. Not controversial IMO.

Patricia Telesco – recreated from text that pre-dates Arbcom, which included a mention of appearances at the Starwood Festival and Pagan Spirit Gathering.. Pigman deleted a good deal of the data Jan 26th, 2008 as unsourced. I replace it with citations. He has edited it since, but has not deleted the mention.

Amber Wolfe – contains an ACE link due to 3 ACE/Llewellyn Collection tapes. Not controversial IMO.

Let me also state that on Michael T. Gilbert, due to a deletion by Calton of a pre-Arbcom mention that Gilbert appeared at Starwood, the article had the non-sequetor “He also contributed to their magazine, Changeling Times.[1]” with citation. I changed “their magazine” to “the ACE magazine” with the word ACE linked to the ACE article. He reverted it to the non-sequetor, with the comment “spam spam spam spam”. (I don’t think mine was a promotional move, or an illogical edit.)

The notion that I am only creating articles to spam Wikipedia with Starwood promotions or fighting with editors about it is just not true, and certainly does not recognize the changes and improvements in my editing since the Arbcom. I think this is an attempt to re-try an Arbcom that certain editors did not like the results of. Since then, I have only written 27 articles (my total is about 70), and 85% had no connection to Starwood or ACE whatever. Of the remainders, 2 were deleted by Pigman with no opposition, one was a link to an article the subject wrote in 1982 (hardly something that could be said to “promote” anything), and one was a link to a Discography item.

When PK&M tagged over 35 articles I've written in a span of a few days earlier this year, and nominated or tagged for notability around ten in the span of a few days recently, I blew it and did something I should not have. To answer your question, thinking was the last thing I was doing.Rosencomet (talk) 22:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Hey Viriditas!

Nice to hear from you. I am doing fine. I'm not coughing anymore, and the day the vog came back was weird. It was Saturday, the day of the Charity Walk, and I was looking east, when I saw the sun trying to peek out. There was so much vog, the sun was unable to come out, and it looked like a struggle, at least 20 minutes long. I got some pics of it, too. The reason why I'm not on is because I have a lot of things going on now, from community service to projects to schoolwork. Blech... Kauakahi Kua'ana'au-a-kane Anyway, nice hearing from you, and take care! – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 08:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Reproduction of email against wishes of author

Is a copyright violation. Doesn't seem fair. Can you make sure that that material remains removed as it should be. Thanks. 70.243.80.195 (talk) 12:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ANI

[2]

I do hope you don't mean to say that you're changing your mind about Rosencomet based on the actions of this IP. If you've changed your mind about Rosencomet based on the discussion itself, I absolutely respect that, but I don't see any evidence that this IP's actions ought to be conflated with Rosencomet's.

Cheers - Revolving Bugbear 15:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I absolutely swear that I have no idea who User:70.243.80.195 is. It's obviously someone who knows their way around Wiki policy better than I do; I know nothing about Wiki copyright violation policies and such. As loathe as I am to pass up help from any source, I don't know if this IS help and I'm afraid he/she may be angering editors as much as anything else. Please don't make decisions based on his/her zeal; it's not coming from me. All I'm doing at this point is trying to document that in contrast to the impression that some editors are trying to create, I HAVE improved my editing over the past year, and I hope people will not be drawn into re-trying the Arbcom and assuming that just because I am accused of continuing the same behavior re: Starwood-related articles that it is actually so. Also, I have not been contentious; in fact, through more than 50 articles my work was deleted from and nearly ten nominated for deletion, I have either not commented at all or simply discussed them on talk pages in all but a few cases. I also clearly HAVE "ventured outside of my walled-garden of interests", not that Wikipedia requires this. And I have never even been accused of responsibility for Ekajati's sockpuppetry, which far preceeded and was far broader than my editing.
This has nothing to do with the fact that I should not have sent that e-mail, and that it WAS canvassing, for which I sincerely apologize and vow never to do anything like it again, and must accept whatever is decided. I just want to point out that this should be the only issue on the table, not Ekajati's sockpuppetry from a year and a half ago or false statements that my editing hasn't changed since then. Rosencomet (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kauikeaouli Statue

Have you ever seen this statue Waikiki Beach? Or do you know any one who does? I never knew they had any statues of Hawaiian royals beside Liliu, Kalakaua, Kamehameha, Kaiulani, Kuhio, and Kapiolani. How would a article of list of statues of Hawaiian royal go? I think that would be the prefer route since up to now I know nothing of any of the statues other than Kamehameha except for picture.

Check this Picture of Kamehameha III or Kauikeaouli at Flickr.com. Doesn't it have a resemblance to the real portrait? KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I am starting to question if that is him. He kind of looks like a christian missionary or is it just the western coat he has on. Do you know what I can search under in Google or anywhere to find more info on this statue. I will understand if you can't. Searching under: Kamehameha III Statue, Kauikeaouli Statue is way to broad and leads me nowhere.

[edit] Archiving, hint and thanks

I guess I forgot to hit paste, before I cut and paste the other part currently archived - anyway, I've added Sandy's comment now. I guess it was good my edit-summary was not 100% accurate or it might have gotten lost. But, to be accurate for the relevant comments, I did intend it on containing the edit summary of one of the recent edits I made, prior to making this comment here.

I am very much inclined not to appreciate what you are doing, given our brief history (where my memory of you was not so positive). But, since that admin warning and WQA made against you by Arcayne, it seems that there have been positive changes which makes me want to AGF and hopefully have a more positive memory! In any case, thank you for bringing this matter to my attention. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment for Ncmvocalist: Maintaining "not so positive" memories of people, i.e., carrying a grudge, is more of a reflection on the person carrying the grudge. You might consider examining why your focus in general appears to be largely on finding (and remembering) the negative in people. --MPerel 17:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment for MPerel: And yet you wonder why I hesitate to assume good faith when it concerns either of you, when you constantly fail to assume good faith in return. I'm certainly not maintaining any such memories, just because I haven't forgotten them. You might realize (whenever you're ready) that there is genuinely only one reason why I remember the negative in you both - to date, the only interactions [emphasis on the plural] between us have generally not been positive, and by coincidence, your friend was the party to the disputes (during some form of DR) during all of those interactions. Take the hint. Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Per your stated "hesitation to assume good faith", making things so personal with others is your own issue that you'll have to work out for yourself, for your own sake. I'm sure you've heard the expression, "can dish it out but not take it". Considering the ominous threats and negative comments you regularly dish out to so many around you, the advice I've offered you above (to consider rethinking your negative focus) is quite soft in comparison, and far more constructive. You only rob yourself if you remain defensive and unwilling to take a look at your own attitude and behavior in your interactions with others. --MPerel 19:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: John Coltrane

I'm not sure if you are still interested in this topic, but I think you'll find this interesting. Jazz critic Ben Ratliff published a book in 2007, Coltrane: The Story of a Sound. In it, he suggests that Hazrat Inayat Khan greatly influenced Coltrane's approach to music. Viriditas (talk) 14:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Viriditas and thanks for the info. Do you have access to some citations? -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 16:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
A few. Are you offering me some more, or would you like to look at them? Viriditas (talk) 21:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure Viriditas. Thanks in advance. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 07:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sextronica

I deleted it, they put it back a few hours later, I've deleted it again and protected it for 6 months. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Morning Glory

Thank you for the reference and cleaning up the "recreational use" section.--Astavats (talk) 23:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Focus at Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles

The Invisible Barnstar
Thank you for your continued work and assistance on Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles, referencing and generally cleaning up articles that have needed attention for a long time. Your good work goes unseen unless someone disagrees ;) Jeepday (talk) 12:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The huge set of unreferenced articles from June of 2006 is finally completed. Thank you for your contributions. The new focus at Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles is Category:Articles lacking sources from July 2006 which as of May 28 is only 1,322 articles and should go much quicker. Thank you to everyone who has contributed and listed themselves as a volunteer. Jeepday (talk) 12:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiian Religion

Mahalo! I will put what I can up there in the next two days. You da best! Makana Chai (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Unreferenced Hawaii articles

There are 105 articles in this category. If each of the 38 members of WikiProject Hawaii added refs to at least one article per week, we could knock these out in three weeks. --MPerel 19:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Hawaii recent changes

I manually updated the watchlist with a merge from what-links-here for Template:WPHawaii. I did it through some AWB functions merging and removing dups, and then did some manual tweaking and there are about 400 additional articles now. --MPerel 23:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. I'm watching it here and already I'm seeing article issues that I otherwise would have missed. Thanks again. Viriditas (talk) 23:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh and thank you for the yummy cookie :D --MPerel 00:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alien Life Form

Good call, thanks. NawlinWiki (talk) 23:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kanekapuakakuhihew

How do I deleted this redirect? I don't want to delete the article it redirects to just this one without the a at the end. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter delivery

If you like I can deliver the newsletter tomorrow (night) June 1, beginning around 4:00 (UTC). If you think it better to deliver it earlier, it's all yours : ) --MPerel 02:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmation

Okay, then. Good job with the newsletter! I will be back on after next week. I just finished giving my speech (for my final) and turned in a big project. Finals start on Tuesday and end Thursday, so after that, school is all pau! – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! ^_^ – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue III - June 2008

Aloha. The June 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 04:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vedder / Bad Radio

I only made the edit to the Bad Radio article, but I've been thinking about removing that sentence from both articles for awhile. Everything that I've read about the band states that they were influenced by the Chili Peppers, but I haven't seen any evidence that states that they were actually a Chili Peppers cover band. I've never read Kiedis' book so I don't know what he wrote about Bad Radio. The link that you provided states that the band was influenced by Duran Duran and the Chili Peppers. I think I'll re-write the sentence using the reference you provided to say that Bad Radio was influenced by these bands.-5- (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hosmer's edits

Hi

Thanks for the note. I haven't finished updating the page; I will add more inline references. A question: some of the articles I've added inline references to, for instance Rene Sylva, have since been edited. The edit description is(Bot: Converting bare references, see FAQ). What does that mean? Is there something I should be doing differently when adding refs?

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shannon.wianecki (talk • contribs) 00:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kanaka Maoli flag

I found this on request so I created the article with all that I know but I can't seem to catergorize it. You mind checking it out. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be moved to a better name. Kanaka Maoli is good but it could be hard for some to understand for one who don't know the term. I wonder if there is an official name for this flag rather than Kanaka Maoli Flag.

I think it should be merged into a separate section of Flag of Hawaii unless there is a good reason not to do so. This seems to be true of most flag articles, in that they contain information and images of older flags related to the topic. Viriditas (talk) 04:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but this article lack a picture. I don't know about downloading pictures and personally don't want to get into that subject. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right. Flags of the World has an image for download on their website, but I'm pretty sure it is copyrighted. I'll bring it up in various forums for clarification. Viriditas (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:United States ghettos

The editor who created this category (SuperSuperBoi) has just created and populated a parallel category called Category:Economically disadvantaged communities in the United States. Most of his activity in the last few weeks has been invalid deletion nominations, rapidly reverted improper edits, and undiscussed category creation such as this. I am at a loss on how to proceed but, based on the comments he left on my talk page, he is not acting in good faith. - Dravecky (talk) 04:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I see you've gone ahead with a new CfD. I will be happy to vote as well as file a report on AN/I about this problem when I get home in four hours or so. Viriditas (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate that. This SuperSuperBoi character is consuming far more of my time and attention than he deserves. - Dravecky (talk) 06:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm currently submitting a report on another user. Mr. SuperSuperBoi is second on my list. :) Viriditas (talk) 10:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Bonus! I strongly suspect that SuperSuperBoi may also be editing as 71.142.89.127 given the topic selection, writing style, and that two of the AfD nominations made by the IP editor were completed by the registered account. - Dravecky (talk) 11:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's him. Looking over his contribs I get the feeling we are dealing with a newbie, so we should proceed carefully. Reporting a newbie to WP:AN/I doesn't really have an upside; we have to try and establish a rapport, and failing that, we can safely make a report. I know it's difficult, but we need to let this breathe like a fine wine. I too, would prefer taking immediate action, but I'm afraid there isn't any admin that will actually do anything until we can show evidence that we tried to resolve the conflict and failed. Yes, he's making some bad AfD noms and he just created two duplicate, nn-cats, but these are all signs of n00b-ness. We're on wait and see, unfortunately. Viriditas (talk) 11:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I tried to give him a bit of gentle guidance on the standard courtesy of notifying an author that their article was nominated for deletion. This was his response: "step for says please consider. it is optional. it not the right thing to do for me. and i wont do it. please chill out." That cost him my remaining, normally abundant, good will. - Dravecky (talk) 12:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
We have to extend AGF in situations like this. He's already got one supporter leaning his way on the current CfD. Like I said above, a wait and see approach will work best here. The problem is that we are dealing with multiple issues; we need to separate them and handle them one at a time. Viriditas (talk) 12:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chief's Children School

I want to move it to Royal School again but it doesn't allow me to do that since it is already a redirect page. My reason for the move is the school was officially changed to this name after Kauikeaouli absorbed it into the national Hawaiian school KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved to Royal School (Hawaii) for proper disambiguation. If this isn't what you want, let me know. T'anks, eh? Viriditas (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit warning left on my talk page

MPerel and I have reached agreement on our editorial dispute (see talk page). As for your recent revision and removal of the reference to the New York Time article, I will take a second look at it and leave a message on the talk page tomorrow before suggesting a compromise. Thank you. C08040804 (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiian Religion

Aloha. I was wondering if I could post somewhere some stuff I have written about Hawaiian religion that could then form the basis for an article after being edited by you and whoever else would like to contribute. Mahalo Makana Chai (talk) 00:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alii Aimokus

All the articles on the Alii Aimoku of Maui, Oahu, Hawaii, and Kauai, would they be considered semi-legendary figures like Huangdi and Nuwa of China and the High Kings of Ireland. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a really good question. I suppose most skeptics would say yes, although I haven't really looked into it. Viriditas (talk) 12:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Palena

Same here also with Palena. I made Loe, Loe of Maui instead. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ukulele

I'm working on bringing Ukulele to Good Article status since you planted the idea in my head. Here is my checklist I created as a cleanup guide. I'd love your help if you have time. --MPerel 00:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)