Talk:Virginia Tech massacre timeline

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 20 April 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] Inconsistency?

  1. Between 9:30 and 9:50 am: Using the .22 caliber Walther P22 and 9 millimeter Glock 19 handgun with 17 magazines of ammunition, Cho shot 60 people, killing 30 of them.

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  1. 1:06 p.m.: The death toll had risen to 22.

70.168.10.190 18:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

People pose questions on Yahoo Answers about the killings and this timeline presents an overview. I refer people here. For certain questions that a person may have a chronology gives a better answer than a narrative. If this is deleted at least let it stay for a month. Cherylyoung 01:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)cherylyoung

    I think it should be combiNed with the main page rather than seperated.
    User:Steve C 13:24, 20 April 2007


When it was put in the main page, it was deleted because the main article was too long. The timelines from various news sources are difficult to find. This is well documented. The main article gives more space to responses than it did to the details of the incident. My preference would be to leave the timeline and make it a main article. Cherylyoung 15:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wendell Flinchum

Sounds like the guy made a serious mistake, he says the bomb threats are not related to cho/the massacre yet notes are found in cho's room proving the opposite. Someone really needs to teach this Flinchum guy to not make an dumbass out himself Billtheking 10:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The Post Office / Norris

"# 9:01 a.m.: Cho mails a package to NBC headquarters in New York, containing a manifesto, pictures of him holding weapons and a video clip in which he alludes to the coming massacre.

  1. 9:05 a.m.: Cho seen in Norris Hall, an Engineering building. Cho chains the doors shut from the inside."

I'm sorry, I live in Blacksburg and there is NO WAY you can go from the Post Office on main street to Norris Hall in 4 minutes... or 10-12 minutes at that

Well, these time are based on news report, so it is ok if they are not that accurate. Chris 05:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

How could they possibly know when he mailed it? My best guess would be a dated cancellation, which naturally would be applied some minutes after he dropped it off at the post office. If so, that would rectify the chronological problem. Nyttend 19:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The US postal clerk listed the time on the envelope as 9:01. The reference to seeing Cho in Norris hall is from a witness and may not be accurate. Obviously, Cho went from the post office to Norris Hall, chained the doors and went to the second floor to shoot people. I believe that the 9:05 time may be inaccurage so I will change it to after 8 am. Is that OK? Cherylyoung 15:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone already changed it to 9_05 to 9:15 am Cherylyoung 15:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why would this article need cleanup

I don't understand. The article is clear. Chris 05:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Good judgement. I dont know why some people are putting in needless disruptive templates for this popular set of items. Everyone is reading them right now. The AfD template should be done away quickly too. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 11:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NBC President carefully annotates time line of Package delivery.

Would it be appropriate for someone to add that the NBC News President Steve Capus, described why the contents of the package arrived late, rather than the "next day"? Not implying anything, but rather stating the facts. Posterity should know.IMHO

"NBC executives had no explanation for why the network was singled out to receive the package, and nothing in the materials explained the action. Nothing on the envelope or in the package cited a specific individual at NBC. The arrival in the mailroom set in motion intense decision making, much of it directed by Steve Capus, president of NBC News. An NBC security officer, Brian Patton, opened the package, a large-size Express Mail envelope. The package had been intended to arrive in one day, but the address was wrong. Instead of 30 Rockefeller Plaza, it was “30 Rockefeller Ave.,” and the ZIP code was wrong. Mr. Capus said Mr. Patton and everyone else at NBC who handled the original materials wore gloves. Mr. Capus did not see the contents until after copies had been made. "

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Halcyon 18:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Purpose

Despite this page being selected for keep... for completenesses sake i must ask what reason there is to keep a timeline that covers the events of a single article. All the details on this page are in the main article and it is basically a time stamped summary of Virginia Tech massacre. Wikipedia of course does not put up summaries of it's pages, and unless this is intergrated as a single event in a more major timeline then it serves no purpose within WIkipedia Guidelines, do remember that wikipedia is not here to provide different forms of every article. -- Jimmi Hugh 01:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason to keep a timeline of a single article? Why dont you take a look at this: List of timelines. YES, Wikipedia does provide different forms of information, e.g according to policy you can have Lists as well as Categories. Also, all the multiple reasons to keep the timeline were given in the AfD.--Matt57 (talk•contribs) 01:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Well i don't know the last time you looked at a category, but they provide an access point to information, not a alternative version. Also i have nothing against lists, they show us one set of information in list form, instead of placing every single item in the text. In this case though, all the info is in the text... so respond with a reason or just leave the question unanswered. --Jimmi Hugh 17:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I gave you the List of timelines and asked you to tell me why its ok to have these timeslines, but not this one. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 19:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I have made that point on numerous occasions throughout this and the deletion discussion. All other timelines cover events from numerous articles. These timelines line up a series of events which would otherwise be impossible to view in a timely order. However in this case... they cover one, possibly two articles and there occur no crossovers to the events. For example... it would be practical to hav a timeline for a War, as numerous events far more major that this are part of the the greater event and each add to the timeline. No single one of those events would have a timeline in it's own right though. That would be... and is absolutely absurd. --Jimmi Hugh 22:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
You're dead wrong. Here's just a few examples where there's no involvement of "numerous articles":
Further, there's no policy here that says that timelines must involve "numerous articles". An article is formed on the basis of notability. You should read the policies.--Matt57 (talk•contribs) 13:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
You should probably read the policies also, i may not know them inside out but i am clearly far more knowlegable than you. For one thing, other pages getting it wrong does not set a precedent for having other articles being wrong. As for notability, that policy does not void the policy that we do not have two articles on an identical subject. This page only expresses information from the massacre page and despite the notability of that event, we already have a page concerning it. Thankyou for the list of articles, as soon as i have time i will make sure to work on having their unnecesary content removed also. --Jimmi Hugh 22:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia Tech massacre → Virginia Tech shootings

Please see Talk:Virginia Tech massacre#Virginia Tech massacre → Virginia Tech shootings — comment there, not here. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Searching in Cho's belongings - to add

Please add to the timeline that Cho's roommates, Andy Koch along with John Eide admitted that they snooped in his belongings and that they had found nothing more threatening than a pocketknife [2] . It's also a part of the story, just like this "stalking" part. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Merewyn (talk • contribs) 20:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC). Sigh, again forgot to sign Merewyn 20:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] convocation ceremony

  • A question: Why is a timeline necessary for the beginning and ending of the national anthem at the convocation ceremony? Canuckle 20:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This was resolved by streamlining the article to include only the fact of the service and the notable attendees. HokieRNB 18:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] article detail (copied from talk:Virginia Tech massacre)

The article on the Columbine High School massacre has very precise details of the shooting, closely following the shooters' actions. Would it be possible for this article to have the same level of detail in the future? Since Wikipedia has a policy against original research, I personally guess that this will depend on how much information is released by the media. --Ixfd64 01:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't sound too controversial - especially as you cite a precedent. I would suggest you be bold and add details you see fit provided they are reliably sourced and notable. Ronnotel 01:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First email

Currently the article says: "9:26 a.m.: E-mails were sent to campus staff, faculty, and students informing them of the dormitory shooting.[58]"

The email did not inform students of the dormitory shooting. The email said there has been a "shooting incident" in West AJ, without any further specifics. I can upload my personally received copy of the email for verification. Ryanluck (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)