Talk:Virginia Citizens Defense League
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[edit] Article Bias
User S4k removed the link to the Cocco article[1] I added on April 20. I have not reverted the changes, or re-added the article reference or link, because it might be argued that doing so would have shown bias against the VCDL, and two wrongs don't make a right. However, the recent additions are clearly strongly baised in favor of VCDL, and go beyond the scope of the article as well. I have therefore nominated this article for a neutrality check. Rblaster 23:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
[edit] Article Bias (continued)
Hope I use this Talk page right, since I'm new to Wikipedia.
There have been many newspaper articles on VCDL and the Bloomberg gun drawing. Of all the articles, only the Cocco article contained a factual error stating that the drawing would be held at the home of a victim of the Virginia Tech murderer. It's important that references are accurate and don't repeat or perpetuate errors.
The "Philosophy" section I added was copied from the VCDL membership brochure. There are several different approaches that organizations use to advance their agenda. This just explains the VCDL approach in their own words.
S4k 04:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)S4k
[edit] Factual Error
Hi S4k, it looks like you used the page just fine, right down to signing your comment.
I am curious how you determined that the Cocco article contained a factual error. Is there some source you have found to back that up, and can you provide a link? Thanks. Rblaster 02:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Factual Error
The article that was removed does contain a factual error. It states that the drawing is going to occur at the home of a victim of the VT shooting near the bottom. It was never planned to be held there. It was originally planned for a regular VCDL meeting, which is held in a meeting room of the George Mason District government building in Fairfax County. That is where the drawing did occur on May 17th 2007.
W palmer 13:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)w_palmer
[edit] Re: Cocco Article
I still would like to know why someone can't provide something...anything...that refutes the content of the article besides just saying it's wrong. If it was factually incorrect, where did she get her information from, and why weren't any of the papers that printed it forced to issue a retraction? Is there even a letter to the editor from any of the papers that published the article which alleged it was incorrect? I have no doubt that the drawing was originally to be held at a regular meeting of the VCDL, since it was scheduled before the shootings. But once the shootings occurred, the location might very well have been changed, possibly to make some sort of point. Who knows? Even a Google search doesn't seem to turn up anything suggesting it's a lie or factual error. Why? Rblaster 02:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Factual Error
Ever since VCDL announced the drawing back in mid January, they always said it'd be held at their regularly scheduled meeting. When it was postponed on April 18, they said the drawing would be held at their "next regular membership meeting on May 17th." See: http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/vadetail.html?RECID=1705153&FILTER= for the postponement announcement and http://www.vcdl.org/static/meetings.html for a list of meeting dates and locations. Subsequent VCDL announcements also stated the drawing would be held at their regular meeting at the government center.
I've never seen anything put out by VCDL to indicate that the drawing would be held at any place other than the government center, let alone at an individual's home.
I have no idea where the reporter got the information that the drawing would be held at the home of one of the VT victims. It was the only article I saw that said the drawing would be held in someone's home. Maybe you should ask her where she got her info.
S4k 05:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
That's an interesting idea, Rblaster. How about you go out and prove a negative. That's what you're asking everyone else here to do. Have you considered that possibility that there is no Google result showing that the meeting was changed to anywhere other than a regular VCDL meeting at the George Mason District building becuase it wasn't?
70.179.98.222 19:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC) w_palmer
Here's a better idea - letting sleeping dogs lie. I haven't added to this since May 22. S4k responded and I let it go. But carry on if you feel it's necessary.
Rblaster 03:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cocco article is wrong
Although the Cocco article link seems to be gone, based on the above comments on the article, I can say that the article is erroneous.
I am the President of VCDL and I speak with 100% authority when I say that the drawing was to be held at the Mason Government Center from the very beginning and that did not change.
The drawing was conceptualized in December, 2006 and started on January 15th, 2007 - long before the Virginia Tech incident. The rules of the drawing have always stated that it would be held at the Mason Government Center at our April meeting.
The April meeting was only days after the Virginia Tech tragedy, so we moved the event out to our next meeting in May to give everyone a chance to heal.
If there is any question of my identity, you can reach me at president@vcdl.org or at the phone number listed on the VCDL web page.
PVanCleave (talk) 06:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
