Talk:Vinnytsia
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Re the massacre --Gilded Lily 22:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request to use only one name in English version
Talk:Vinnytsia – Vinnytsya - Vinnica → Vinnytsia – to use only the current name in English language Vinnytsia.
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- Support I believe that only one name should be used in English language, and that name is Vinnytsia! Since this is the correct translation from Ukrainian to English. And Ukrainian is the only official language in Ukraine. --Oleg Kikta (talk) 23:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose The more established English name is Vinnitsa and according to WP guidelines that is what we should use. It's irrelevant what the "correct translation" is. We don't use "Moskva" for "Moscow" because that is the correct Russian translation. According to Google Vinnitsa is about 6 times as common as Vinnytsia. Gr8white (talk) 23:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- The article's name should be the Ukrainian Vinnytsia, but the Russian and Polish versions should be mentioned also since the city's been been part of both Russia and Poland and both names are often found in books and documents. The names are part of the city's history. Narking (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The article's name absolutely should not be the Ukrainian version. It MUST be the English version as stated in the guidelines. It is not a matter subject to vote as it is Wikipedia policy. We don't use Deutschland for Germany, or Moskva for Moscow. Of course the other names should be mentioned but the article's title should be Vinnitsa, the established English name. This is English-language Wikipedia, not Ukrainian. Gr8white (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed Move
I propose to move the article to Vinnitsa per Wikipedia Guidelines: Use the most commonly used English version of the name of the subject as the title of the article, as you would find it in verifiable reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works). I'll move it in a few days unless someone comes up with a REALLY good reason not to. If you have any question as to the English name, check any English-language atlas or encyclopedia. The policy does allow for the "occasional exception" but there would have to be good reason which I don't see in this case. Gr8white (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- I guess you need to buy new maps. In other words maps made after 1991. Check them and you will see that the city is called Vinnytsia today. You can check online also; for example Google maps or Mapblast, the latter one using the spelling Vinnytsya. As for encyclopedias just check Britannica and you will find Vinnytsya. So the question is more if the spelling should be Vinnytsia or Vinnytsya. Vinnitsa is out of the question. Narking (talk) 21:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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- I did check several maps made after 1991 that said Vinnitsa. And Encyclopedia Americana uses Vinnitsa, though you are correct that the Brittanica uses the other spelling (oddly enough, Encarta uses Vinnytsya). And I stand by my previous contention that Vinnitsa is the more common usage (by a factor of greater than 6 judging from online search) and is the most compatible with WP guidelines as stated above. But since you have pointed out that a few respected sources do use Vinnytsia, I won't go ahead with the move. We'll call this the "occasional exception". (The policy also states that exonyms should "at least" be considered and this also falls into that category.) Gr8white (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
