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who put half-man half-season? u think your funny? pls add height and weight (in metric besides british)

What is this stuff about "Wallabies" and scoring 3 points on April 15, 2005?

--Benl47 10:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I realized the page has been vandalized by some douche, so I tried to revert a few bits back to normal.

--Benl47 11:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Objectivity please, this is not a press release nor a rumor mill, it's an encyclopedia.


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[edit] So-called "dunk of death"

If I'm not mistaken, "le dunk de la mort" is actually a generic term the French basketball aficionados would affix on any impressive dunk they see fit--kind of how on ESPN one anchor might go "ooooh that's one ba-zoo-ka dunk" or something to that effect, which doesn't render it _the_ bazooka dunk. I have removed this reference and someone added it back, rather than get into a stupid edit war, for the moment I want to ask does anyone preferably with familiarity in French basketball (I speak French, but certainly don't follow their basketball broadcasts) possess any further insights on the origins of the term.

I think the generic-ness of the term is easily veriable, if one just go to Yahoo France and search on "dunk de la mort", many pages will come up and vast majority would have nothing to do with the Carter dunk. Tendancer 00:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

New Name For "le dunk de la mort —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.172.50 (talk) 09:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC) Why don't we all just rename it 'French Toast' I read it somewhere and it sounds alot better.

[edit] College?

Could we also add some information about his college play? He went to UNC and how he fared there is of interest to most people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.142.2.138 (talk) 20:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Collegiate career

Carter played college basketball at North Carolina under Dean Smith and later, Bill Guthridge. During the 1997-1998 season, he was a member of new coach Bill Guthridge's successful "Six Starters" rotation with Antawn Jamison, Shammond Williams, Ed Cota, Ademola Okulaja and Makhtar N'Diaye. That season (his final college season), he averaged 15.6 points and 5.1 rebounds per game to go along with career averages of 12.3 points and 4.5 rebounds per game. [1]

Carter also became a pioneer of the internet during his collegiate career. In 1995, Vince Carter become the second collegiate athlete (after Shammond Williams) to have a website dedicated to him on the World Wide Web. The website was developed by Seth Fleishman, and an archive of "Vince's Court" is still available for viewing. 18:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC) UNC Fan [2]

[edit] Vince Carter

Just noticed that someone has VANDALIZED this bio. Went to edit the inflammatory bits out, but could not. Maybe somebody else can restore it to dignity. (brackman@verizon.net) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.98.255.213 (talk) 15:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Added info on the new statue in Daytona, just unveilled. 67.35.172.19 00:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe it was vandlalized because Carter is a crybaby jackass who has seen a major decline in popularity since leaving Toronto (just look at All-Star vote tallies for before and after he left the Raptors).159.33.10.92 17:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)Steve159.33.10.92 17:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Position

Vince doesn't play forward anymore he's started only 1 game there this year and about 3 last year. He is pretty much a full shooting guard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RandyRhoadsRonnieDio (talk • contribs).

I agree. I change it to shooting guard (swingman) Kassie 18:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I have a mixed opinion on this because while it’s probably true that Carter now starts virtually all his games as a shooting guard, it contradicts all of the following sources: ESPN, AOL, Yahoo!, FOX, Sportsnet, and InsideHoops. The position on Carter’s NBA playerfile suddenly disappeared, but it was there as Guard-Forward in the past.[1]. Because I can’t find a source indicating that he’s a full shooting guard, I’d rather stick on the safe side with Guard-Forward. —LOL 19:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

If we're going with positions he plays but doesn't start at than I'll add point guard because Frank does run line ups without Williams or Kidd and carter often handles the ball up the court and sets up his teammates. That also does not contradict the guard-forward position. Since someone changed it to shooting guard/small forward I figured I'd add point guard because he plays that as often as small forward.

[edit] Subjective gatekeepers

This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a cheerleading section. If I make a contribution that one of Vince's nicknames is "Wince Carter", it's a matter of fact, not opinion, and shouldn't be obscured or hidden just because you like Vince. Do a search on the internet for "wince carter" and see how many hits come up, see how any people know the name, and use the name (and not just Raptor fans, either). Given the comments above and another user's description of Vince as a "crybaby jackass", the relatively benign "Wince" is generous.

But, some of you Carter fans refuse to face reality and allow the article to reflect the reality you are refusing. Unfortunately, wikipedia will suffer and never be as authentic and respected a source of information as long as self-appointed apologists lurk around and reverse legitimate contributions just because the contributions may not reflect their biased subjective positions.

Reverse the edits all you like, the truth is still out there to be found:

  • that Vince had to have his mommy taking care of his business because he isn't a man
  • that some of his peers, players that are also NBA professionals, don't respect him because he doesn't bring it every game, every shift
  • that his rolling around on the floor (from whence he EARNED the nickname "Wince") baffles guys like Allen Iverson and Kevin Garnett who play hard and take it inside all game long and somehow, miraculously, live to tell about it
  • that his all-star voting doesn't get him top spot anymore since it became known how much of a punk he really is. Don't blame me, all those fans wouldn't just up and quit voting for him if he still had game and demonstrated respect for the game and his colleagues.

This is what he appears not to understand - having game, having natural talent, isn't good enough. Attitude, commitment, work ethic, these are issues that matter at his level. If he ever learns this, surely fans wil embrace him as they have other troubled characters like AI or Rasheed Wallace. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.116.215.206 (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Mister anonymous, you continue your raves and rants here when you have no respect for the rules of Wikipedia. Since you have no respect for the rules (read: provision of citations/sources/references), it is most shocking you expect people to respect your contributions. If they can be called contributions, considering you denigrate much more esteemed contributions. Chensiyuan 14:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You can't provide a single example of my denigrating one other contribution because it hasn't happened, and it won't happen because I wouldn't do it. We're talking about whether or not to include a fact regardless of how one feels about the subject at hand. Say what you want, that nickname is a fact.

Pleasant is the silence of everyone ignoring you. Chensiyuan 17:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone at the Nets-Raptors game last night had a sign that read "Mommy isn't here, Vince" - hmm, I guess I must have told him to write that since I'm making all this stuff up, right? 208.72.4.1 13:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You don't get it do you. The whole world knows VC is hated at Toronto. He is called all manner of names. But this is an encylopedia. If you want to provide a nickname which is undoubtedly derogatory, you have to provide a PROPER CITATION. A google search RESULT with a few hits is not a proper citation. You don't like the system, too bad. Chensiyuan 13:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Who said you were making all this stuff up? The “truth” and “fact” are simply of questionable notability because you still have not provided any legitimate references. Please read WP:V and WP:REF, and give us some reputable sources indicating that Vince “isn't a man”, that his peers “don’t respect him”, that his rolling “baffles” Iverson and Garnett, etc. —LOL 20:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/griggman/tag/NBA - this article shows a journalist refer to him as "wince" not once but twice. Also, I'm not a journalist so I can't hide behind "I can't reveal my sources", but I can't reveal my sources for the issue of peers who don't respect him or contrast his commitment to the likes of other players that are generally highly regarded.

http://heat.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5700037552/m/6970047384 Here's a forum comment of a Miami Heat fan saying he doesn't want "Wince Carter here to choke away games and not show up for big games". And there are tons of them where people out there use these specific terms to refer to Vince Carter.

Thanks for finally providing sources, but unfortunately blogs and forum comments are not legitimate sources. See WP:V#Self-published sources (online and paper). (It should be obvious why they aren’t allowed, because any random zealot can blog and post.) —LOL 20:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey mate, I can understand what you are attempting to say, the rules are the rules. I just wanted some clarity between defending rules for rules sake and defending a person with a sense of bias. Insofar as a "whole is greater than the sum of its parts", the reality that Vince Carter has a reputation and a nickname that are not complimentary may not be citable with some academic source, but with the plethora of information "out there", a reasonable person will arrive at the conclusion that, of all the players ever to play basketball in the NBA, only one player has somehow manages to end up having this nickname attached to him, for whatever reason, whether justified or otherwise. Anyway, for all intents and purposes, short of orthodox sources, I won't push it with this issue in the main article any further. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.72.4.1 (talk) 14:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Played almost the whole season w/ankle injury

Article about Vince Carter playing the 07-08 Season with an ankle injury should be included. Vince just underwent successful right arthroscopic ankle surgery. That just confirmed that he was playing in pain the whole season but still managed to put up a 20-5-5 average. Source: http://www.nba.com/nets/news/Vince_Carter_4_28_08.html