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[edit] Refrence Help?

Well I was looking on the article list of best selling video games and I noticed that many of the statistics are wrong. I changed them, and tried to put a refrence... and then it got messed up. The refrence I used was www.vgchartz.com, and the edits are in the Wii section. Thanks! NS Zakeruga (talk) 03:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] adding a software package, MentorsoftPro by Dbar-innovations

I know a very valuable and reliable software for analysis,training and implemetation of Six Sigma. I tried to put it in the Section for software packages and let the public know of its existance. I seen other software packages like it that do not offer the depth of what this has to give back to its users. It was deleted right after I added it. Why is this being rejected and would any one else look at it and suggest it? Its called Mentorsoft. It is a complete guidance system for the DMAIC road map of Six Sigma. The site to veiw it is www.dbar-innovations.com If any one else finds this to be what I think it is and it is a very valuable peice that makes the Analysis faster, easier and more understandable, then suggest it, i did not have very good luck. Minitab is offering the same version of this with 1/3 the capabilities, and all the other statistical software is on the same level but is allowed to keep theirs, I cant see why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddy4294 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the software you mention has been listed at List of Six Sigma software packages. PKT (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to try to discuss your concerns. Every edit that you have made has been to promote this single commercial product. For that reason, I'd encourage you to read WP:COI. If Mentorsoft is notable and that can be established with reliable sources, some other WP editor will add it & it won't be deleted due to WP:SPAM. When the article was removed, other references to that product were also often removed (if it isn't notable enough for an article, it might also be notable for various lists & the arguments about self-promotion apply to those links too).
If Mentorsoft is not yet notable, then it does not yet belong on Wikipedia. Notability is not a value judgment on the program--it does not indicate whether or not Minitab is a stronger product. --Karnesky (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
First off are you saying that all the other software companies get no promote as a single commercial product? Are you saying that most of those allmost unheard of statistical software companies were added here by some magazine or university? What makes it Notable? Its Used by one of the largest Aerospce companies in the world, its used by training facilities, used by health related industry, so what does notable mean? Now wikipedia has heard of it, doesn't that make it notable? Every other software listed in the statistical software section can not be any more notable, I am in the business of working with statistical analysis and have only heard of 8-9 of those out of like 30. So what are we really talking about now? Please answer this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.68.65 (talk • contribs)
All software articles are held to the same policies (including WP:NPOV and WP:V) and guidelines (including WP:COI, WP:N, and WP:SPAM). Other articles have been deleted and other articles will continue to be deleted.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an advertising platform. To understand this, I encourage you start to create or edit pages on subjects that you don't have a personal interest in promoting.
Notability criteria are explained in WP:N. The most typical criteria is that the subject has been covered non-trivially in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the author, company, and program. "Articles and posts on Wikipedia may not be used as sources." A google news search over all dates for 'mentorsoft' shows no hits, so I am unsure if you'd be able to satisfy this criteria.
Please note, though, that your article was deleted as an advertisement. You're obviously very personally invested in the subject, and that might cloud your objectivity. I do not recall your original article, but it may have been obvious that it did not satisfy WP:NPOV and that there were probable WP:COI issues. --Karnesky (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

O.K. I do understand what you are saying, but I would like to say that Quality Digest Magazine is looking to do an article, Aerospace companies are using it, so it is a real tangable item and when I typed in Yahoo "MentorsoftPRO" I get this, HOME MentorsoftPro - Designed by Master Black Belt, Trainer and Software specialist. ... MentorsoftPro increases process improvement return on investment by reducing the ... www.dbar-innovations.com - Cached MentorSoftPRO- Translate dbar-innovations.com/demo/MentorSoftPRO.html - Cached LinkedIn: Answers: Can anyone reccomend a good software development ... View this ... We have a development project that needs tackling, probably using an ... MentorsoftPro, used to train, do statistical analysis,log track ... linkedin.com/answers/technology/enterprise-software/TCH_ENT/... - Cached LinkedIn: Answers: Is Lean + Six Sigma a better tool for the BPO ... View this question on LinkedIn ... If you have any sample projects or examples ... of six sigma, mentoring the analysis so no mistakes are made.MentorsoftPRO ... linkedin.com/answers/business-operations/quality-management-standar... - Cached King & Wood " wikirage: What's hot now on wikipedia This site lists the pages in Wikipedia which are receiving the ... 107. MentorsoftPRO. 108. WiMAX. 109. Bill Moyers. 110. Ballroom dance. 111. Pathani. 112. ... www.wikirage.com/wiki/King_&_Wood - Cached One More Chance (Michael Jackson song) " wikirage: What's hot now on ... This site lists the pages in Wikipedia which are receiving ... 180. MentorsoftPRO. 181. Eugene Roche. 182. Jyothika Saravanan. 183. Sylhet. 184. Jamaica Bar ... www.wikirage.com/wiki/One_More_Chance_(Michael_Jackson_song) - Cached Minimum Sample Size We are analysing data from an inbound call centre that receives around ... http://www.mentorsoftpro.dbar-innovations.com/ or. http://www.dbar-innovations.com ... www.isixsigma.com/forum/showmessage.asp?messageID=139382 - 68k - Cached OIL COMPANIES JUST DO NOT HAVE ANY EXCUSES - Topix Ottawa to pay farmers $50-million to kill hogs. Polygamists ... http://mentorsoftpro.dbar-innovations.com/ leo. Houston, TX. Reply " Report Abuse. Judge it! ... www.topix.net/forum/topstories/TGMCESQBUC1CS5BTU - Cached Congress has questions about Big Oil's big profits - Topix Bush details $70 billion war funding for 2009 'Miracle Marine' ... http://mentorsoftpro.dbar-innovations.com/ shamrock. Bloomington, IN. Reply " Report Abuse ... www.topix.net/forum/us/politics/TR900D24ADKTITVLT/p43 - 96k - Cached Congress has questions about Big Oil's big profits - Topix Airline plot suspects made martyr videos. Charlton Heston dies ... http://mentorsoftpro.dbar-innovations.com/ shamrock. Bloomington, IN. Reply " Report Abuse ... www.topix.com/forum/tech/TR900D24ADKTITVLT/p43 - 102k - Cached


AND THAT IS ONLY THE FIRST PAGE, WHEN I GOOGLE IT I GET THIS,


Which software for SIX SIGMADBAR-INNOVATIONS - TopixThe difference in mentorsoftPro is it walks you the methodology, guides you through the analysis with videos, has preset data to see variances in analysis ... www.topix.com/forum/tech/TBBC84RTJ4IMAJGC7 - 44k - Cached - Similar pages

Yahoo! Canada Answers - For Six Sigma, any software programs that ...Then there is MentorsoftPro, No Link but do have a number. ... The biggest difference is the Mentorsoftpro has a statistical analysis system that comes with ... answers.yahoo.ca/question/index?qid=20080402150146AA68Zbt - 25k - Cached - Similar pages

Six Sigma, Minitab or Excel? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland AnswersMentorsoftPro @1-713436-6942. Anything else out there that will show and drive your projects with you? What about the toyata system? ... uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080331130218AAolFf8 - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

dmaicmentorwww.mentorsoftpro.dbar-innovations.com/dmaicmentor.html - 4k - Cached - Similar pages

Software for Six Sigma ProjectI can not beleive that people have not heard about MentorsoftPRO from Dbar-innovations. This is exactly the perfect software answer to a quetion like this. ... www.isixsigma.com/forum/showmessage.asp?messageID=141786 - 11 hours ago - Similar pages

LinkedIn: Answers: How can software engineers leverage FMEA ...... system to walk you through it to eliminate any errors, its like a proffesror in a can to help you, also anlysis and tracking management. MentorsoftPRO. ... www.linkedin.com/.../TCH_SFT/243547-50726?browseCategory=TCH_SFT&goback=.avq_241956_1871498_0_*2 - 30k - 16 hours ago - Cached - Similar pages

LinkedIn: Answers: Is Lean + Six Sigma a better tool for the BPO ...I will suggest a software management system that provides a GPS type navagation of six sigma, mentoring the analysis so no mistakes are made.MentorsoftPRO ... www.linkedin.com/.../OPS_QMA/243234-5492779?browseCategory=OPS_QMA&goback=.avq_242594_13320535_0_*2 - 30k - 19 hours ago - Cached - Similar pages More results from www.linkedin.com »

AND THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST PAGE, WELL I am not sure what notability can be classified as , but I am sure some of those smaller unheard of software for statistical analysis and I do mean unheard of in the Quality improvemnt world, I am sure they were not so notable that hundreds of people decided Wikipedia had to be aware of its notability which leads me to beleive they are getting the marketing punch out of this. O. K. for now . when the magazine does their article I will bring it back and see if it will sufice the criteria.

What do notability and Verifiability mean?
It means you need NONTRIVIAL, THIRD PARTY coverage by a RELIABLE SOURCE.
Nontrivial=you need a large article or several small articles/mentions of the product written about your program (they need not be positive).
Third Party=someone other than Wikipedia or you. Like a newspaper.
Reliable Source=a media source that has been found to be usually correct. Generally newspapers, some news magazines.
Now do you see why? We can't be buried in an avalanche of articles about "John Doe's Software Package". Or "John Doe's Band". Or "Jane Doe's self-produced cooking show"... ~user:orngjce223 how am I typing? 14:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Username

Hi. Due to an injury, I have been unable to edit wikipedia for several months, and therefore I have forgotten quite a bit, so here at the village pump I am posing this question:

Does the username HHGGGG! (new user) correspond with wiki policies? I cannot remember because I've been unable to edit Wikipedia for a while, so I'm asking for your comments.

Thanks, cf38talk 09:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The policy on usernames is at Wikipedia:Username policy. I don't see anything that would disallow this username. But given the volume of new registered editors (several thousand per day), the normal procedure is to just go ahead and create a new useraccount, and see if anyone objects, rather than to ask for comments ahead of time. So there really isn't any formal place to ask. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] link suggestions tool help

I am trying to improve the Project Nexus article which has multiple flags. One fix that seemed easy was using the "For some link suggestions, you can try this tool" link. I went through and selected the links I wanted to add, but somehow I didn't save many of them. Since I selected them, they don't show up on the list anymore. The only ones that show now are the ones that I left as "I don't know." Is there any way to reset this tool so that I can see the original suggestions again? --Rebecca —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rspease (talk • contribs) 15:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It's probably best to contact the creator of the tool: the page User:Nickj/Can We Link It indicates (at the top) how to do so. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Found poetry

I found found poetry, pun not intended. Everything after the "examples" section is visible in the edit box, but not visible in any preview or the article itself. This cuts back on the legitimacy of the article, because you can't see the reference section, and it's so bad that the categories (as in Category:Poetic devices) doesn't show up either. Is there any reason for this? Can someone please fix this?
I'm jetlagged, tired, and frankly, shouldn't even be on the computer. I'm going to bed. --Justpassin (talk) 05:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You had an unclosed <ref> tag. I fixed it. - BanyanTree 06:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Francais to English translation.

How can I read a article written on the french sied isn english? Specifically the article on Julia Chanel.

Thanks,

Dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brndmg (talk • contribs) 18:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Since the article has not been translated into an English Wikipedia article, you're stuck with a machine translation. Try babelfish or Google translation. Such translations are a long way from perfect but c'est la vie.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
If you are patient, you can request a translation of a French wikipedia article at Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/fr.—RJH (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IRC Logging Issue

WARNING: This is kind of a rant. Ok, in a outburst of vanity I googled User:Atyndall and what came up was a bit irritating. All the Wikipedia IRC channels state in their top headings that there will be no public logging of the chats therein. But in the google search results I found that http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/ has been logging all Wikipedia related IRC rooms since 2006 by some Wikipedia hater.

This engine searches over 30,000 hostmasks from several popular IRC channels used by Wikipedians. These were collected from IRC logs in 2006-2008.

from http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/findchat.html This website contains more than 2 years worth of Wikipedia IRC communication and if possibly I would like the logs to be taken off the net. Opinions?  Atyndall93 | talk  13:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I googled my name a while back and found the same thing. I'm unaware of how to stop it though. The way I look at it, if you don't want all of wikipedia knowing what you are saying, then don't say it. — MaggotSyn 13:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's a copy of my comment from meta about this issue. Zocky | picture popups 13:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Public logging prohibition should be lifted

I've been thinking about this logging issue a lot, and I'm not sure we're getting it right. The idea that public loggin of an IRC channel should be prohibited is not very sound. In fact, I think we should publish logs of all generally accessable channels (ie. non-invite) ourselves.

Let me explain why I think arguments for the prohibition are wrong IMO.

  • Public logging inhibits discussion - for public logging to have any influence on the discussion in IRC channels, one has to assume that without public logging, talking in front of hundreds of people (i.e. willingly causing your computer to transfer your messages to hundreds of other people's computers, not to mention the servers in between) is somehow private and redistributing the discussion constitutes a breach of privacy. If I used any other publically available media (i.e. one which doesn't require subscription or personal identification) to do that and claimed privacy, I'd be laughed at.
  • is often used against the speaker by quoting out of context - for quoting out of context to be effective, the context has to be unavailable. Quoting people out of context when public log of the conversation is available is easily disprovable. In fact, the absence of a public log allows not only quoting out of context, but also misquoting and outright forgery of statements, both of which would be impossible with a publically available log.
  • is illegal in some jurisdictions - and legal in others. Also, an advance warning that the channel is logged would probably clear any concerns with legality.

There are also problems with the prohibition, which IMO make it unenforcable and even harmful.

  • There is no practical way to prevent people who want to publish IRC logs to do so. There are hundreds of users in some of our channels, and there is no way for us to personally identify them or make sure that they're not "double agents". Limiting the access to vetted users only would inhibit the discussion much more than public logging.
  • Prohibition of public logging encourages the naive view that conversation on a generally accessable IRC channel is private. This can be potentially unpleasant or even dangerous for people who expect privacy and are thus not careful with the personal information or opinions they disclose. "Inhibiting discussion" is a good thing in this case.
  • Making hollow threats (saying "you'll be banned from all Wikimedia channels" when we have no way of actually banning a determined person) makes us look patronizing and silly, which makes us a perfect target for people who like to "stick it to the man".
  • The prohibition feeds the interest for the logs - if they don't want them public, they must have something to hide. Combined with the fact that we can't assure 100% security, and the fact that we are all just people, so we inevitable talk about the loggers in the channel, this becomes a vicious circle. We find a way to beat loggers back, which makes them more excited and interested in the logs, so they find a new way to do it anyway, and we try to beat them again. All the while expending time and energy on something that can't be done, and turning clueless disgruntled people into experienced sworn enemies.
  • In addition to the interest, the prohibition also provides the satisfaction when it's beaten, reinforcing the vicious circle.

So, should we get rid of the prohibition or am I overlooking something? Zocky 23:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

What prohibition? The people in chat rooms can hang whatever signs they want on the door, and it doesn't mean a thing to those of us over here at Wikipedia. Now, if people start wanting some on-wiki consequences for someone breaking the rules of some other place, that's something we can reasonably put a stop to. But telling some other place what their rules should be? How is it our business? Friday (talk) 14:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The IRC channels are de facto controlled by the community in the widest sense. They're not separate from Wikimedia, or from Wikipedias. Most of the people in those chat rooms are also here on Wikipedia, and quite some of the actual work, not just troll-bashing, is coordinated through IRC. The channels that are explicitly about the English Wikipedia are more like WikiProjects than "other places", and the English Wikipedia community certainly has a say in how they're operated. Zocky | picture popups 14:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
You are forgetting that a fair number of people in the cannel are copyright savy.Geni 02:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, the channel contacts don't care anyway, so why bother with this? Furthermore, this is entirely the wrong place to be discussing something like this. -Pilotguy contact tower 17:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth_Gilels#Gilels_.2F_Kogan_Dynasty_Continues

I'm in a disagreement with another editor at Elizabeth_Gilels#Gilels_.2F_Kogan_Dynasty_Continues. I have removed this section twice, as what looks to me like a sneaky way to violate WP:BIO by adding non-notable people into the encyclopedia by sticking their biographies into the article about an arguably notable ancestor. I keep getting reverted. I'm looking for further inputs, and would appreciate discussion on the article's Talk page. Corvus cornixtalk 20:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Milliot

Milliot (talk · contribs) has started a great number of articles. I don't disagree with the notability of the majority of the subjects of the articles. However, it's clear that English is not Milliot's native language, and he or she also doesn't understand that Wikipedia articles shouldn't include personal opinion as to the wonderful work that the subjects of the articles do or did. Milliot feels that the use of adjectives such as "celebrated" "renowned" and "distinguished" is appropriate, and became upset when I removed them from just one of his/her articles. Can somebody give me some help? I have no interest in starting a war with Milliot, but he/she has written a great number of articles which need a lot of rewriting. Corvus cornixtalk 23:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Corvus cornix

Corvus cornix (talk · contribs) has made his/her point heard, and I should make mine as well. The information in the articles that I have contributed to & or started, are based on factual information from existing books, encyclopedias etc. The articles do not reflect my personal opinion.

My English I think is as good as most native speakers. People do have different styles of writing that is certain. Expanding wiki is the objective here, correct? When legendary artists, scientist etc. contribute to history, they earn the right to superlatives. As they are mentioned in such ways in pre-existing books & or encyclopedias. That establishes "fact" to that particular individual.Milliot (talk) 00:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

ps: I have stated this earlier in our "talk back" section:

"Corvus, I notice that you are not an administrator. If you are a commited wiki contributor, you would see how much I have contributed. And calling my article sneaky is rather adolescent of you. The dynasty of Leonid Kogan and his wife Elizabeth Gilels, is an important one in the music world. Leonid Kogan is described in all of the history books, and encyclopedias as a legendary violinist. His wife is from the same circles and is considered an important violinist and one of the great pedagogues of the Soviet School. Her teacher ABRAM ILICH YAMPOLSKY is a world renowned pedagogue of the Soviet School of Violin. Who's students went on to become legendary. These figures of the music world have earned the right to these titles. Every known book mentions them in these terms. If you have issues, look them up to confirm your reservations. But please, stop belittling the legendary musicians and pedagogues by taking out the superlatives that they have earned in history. Would you call Einstein just a Scientist? Merci Milliot (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)"

"Please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(assistance)#User:Milliot. I have no quarrel with the notability of the subjects of your articles, nor do I want to take anything away from the large amount of work you have done, which I applaud, but there really needs to be a lot of work done to your articles to get them up to encyclopedic (and English grammatical) shape. Please don't take this as an attack, as it really is not, in any form. If you find this insulting, I strongly apologize, because I am really not trying to insult you. Corvus cornixtalk 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


No problems here. I have provided references where citation was requested. Perhaps you would like to offer me a service badge for the large amount of work I have done? :) Milliot (talk) 00:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)" Milliot (talk) 00:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

As a compromise solution, how about Milliot is offered an invitation to make contributions to Wikipedia in keeping with our policies and guidelines? From the above discussion it seems that Wikipedia:Neutral Point Of View and Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms are applicable here. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 22:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] special request for images

Hi, where do I post a special request for images? We don't have decent images of projectile points and other artifacts from American prehistory. They are on display in probably hundreds of museums all over the US, of course in the Smithsonian Institution in D.C. but in every museum of Anthropology, many museums of local and regional history, as well as many visitor centers of National Parks, National Monuments and the like. I guess many Wikipedians will visit one or several museums of that kind, when going on holiday this summer. Most will carry cameras, and could easily take images. Where and how do I find an audience for this request? --h-stt !? 12:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Try adding a request in the appropriate section of Wikipedia:Requested pictures you will also find templates listed (like Template:Reqphoto) that can be added directly to the talk page of the subject article you want the picture for. MilborneOne (talk) 13:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
You may wish also wish to browse commons:Category:Stone tools and, in particular, commons:Category:Stone arrowheads, which appears to have some relevant American specimens. Also see commons:Category:Archaeological objects. - BanyanTree 10:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need articles on border patrol dumping dogs in desert...

Hello,

       I am new and have picked up 4-dogs in desert.

I know I am not the only one and border patrol denies they are dumping dogs in the desert. They are not telling the truth because I checked with Sheriff Cobos in Deming New Mexico and he did admit when they arrest someone and animal control does not show up they leave them on the street.

Border patrol leaves them in the desert because that is where most arrests are for them. Mexican groups come over with kids and pets.

Two Golden labs were found dead of snake bite, others formed wild packs, some died of thirst and starvation.

Thank you, Julie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlielawdogs (talk • contribs) 19:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I think this type of information would not meet the wikipedia criteria for notability. Perhaps you should report it to your local news establishment?—RJH (talk) 22:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] i have problems with a hacker

i can not access to this talk page. i think a fascist Spanish hacker has blocked my access. Please, could some checkuser check it and see what is happening there with my IP?

i don't know where to leave this message so if anyone know what i have to do a little help i would thank it very much. --Sclua (talk) 17:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The only way that a hacker could block your access to that page, or any page on Wikipedia, would be to modify (break into) your computer, or a router that your computer connects to. Wikipedia doesn't offer a service to determine if a personal computer has been broken into (and checkuser isn't used for what you think it apparently is). If you really think a hacker has blocked your access, you need to have someone with computer security skills personally examine your computer. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps there are expert hackers with more knowledge than you. many thanks to try to help me. very kind. --Sclua (talk) 11:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Also suggesting that 'Spanish fascists' are responsible is disruptive, and makes your question much less legitimate. Please try to state your problems clearly and objectively, rather then blindly accusing 'fascists' for your problem. Thanks, Prodego talk 22:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem solved i would like to thank the anonymous expert for solving my problem. If he leaves a messsage like "hello" on my page talk i will call him if i have this problem again, if not, i will try to come back here (i am saying "try" because i was unabled to access to these Village pump sections, only post. many thanks. (i will try to moderate my vocabulary). --Sclua (talk) 11:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Primary sources viewed at copyright infringing sites

I am writing an article on exploding cigars and I want to cite a Bugs Bunny cartoon as a primary source for its depiction of that device. The problem is that the only way I was able to access the cartoon was by viewing it on youtube (it's also on AOL video). Both sites, I think, are hosting the cartoon in violation of copyright. We don't link to sources that are themselves violating copyrights because that would be contributory infringement. See Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking. However, I still want to do a full citation to the material as a reference and I did view it there. What do you think would be the best and proper format of the reference. Do I not link the external page but still describe where it was viewed? Do I whitewash it, simply stating the title, copyright holder, date and other pertinent information and leave out where it was viewed and the access date? Should I refrain from referencing it at all if I can't describe where it was viewed?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no need to include a convenience link; plenty of references are book titles for example. You can simply cite the cartoon itself ( I believe we even have citation templates for TV shows, movies, etc. ). Use the title of the cartoon, year, studio, whatever you can find. You don't need to include a link. Squidfryerchef (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why OGGs?

I was reading this article (Musical mode) and wanted to listen to the samples. However, I could not, because they were in some weird OGG format. Isn't wikipedia supposed to be accessible? 71.231.179.83 (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The OGG format is used as it is open source and the wikimedia foundation cannot be sued for using it (unlike MP3). If you wish to listen to OGG format files try downloading a copy of VLC from their website or search for programs that can play the "Ogg Vorbis" format.  Atyndall93 | talk  02:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, if you are using Mac OS X the Xiph_QuickTime_Components can help you out.  Atyndall93 | talk  02:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture aesthetics

I've this week come into the possession of a scanned picture (PD-old) of Henry Wilson Temple with his seminary classmates, and I'm going to add it to his article. Question, though: which is generally considered "better" for the page: cropped to include just him, since the article isn't about the other ministers, or showing all of them, to demonstrate him with his friends and (expected at that time) future coworkers? Nyttend (talk) 19:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I recommend a crop for the article and the full image for Commons. Had there already been a picture of just him, I would have suggested adding the full photo. –thedemonhog talk • edits 19:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Just to clarify: both the full image and cropped image should be uploaded to Commons. For images that are not fair use, I can think of no reason to upload locally. Once at Commons you can create a category of the person (the Commons image categories are much more extensive than any single project) and add {{commonscat}} to the page. - BanyanTree 10:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unicode in Wikipedia

I was hoping to be able to use some of the Unicode symbols in Wikipedia but for some reason I do not seem to be able to get them to show up. In particular I am interested in the more exotic arrow symbols that Unicode has, such as the clockwise semicircular curved arrow represented by 0x21b7. Is there a way to display these?--Filll (talk | wpc) 17:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

↷ ? --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the problem is with this browser version.--Filll (talk | wpc) 22:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salesian High School Richmond

Im not sure if its a 24 hour 3RR situation, but an anonymous user 12.3.155.150 as well as others keep changing the mascot section to either a positive or negative point of view on the school mascot change process section. Either way, the content is unverifyable, and other aspects of the page are repeatedly vandalized. DukeB-120th (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a little edit war, but no 3RR. And a certain amount of vandalism often accompanies school articles, since they cater in part to an adolescent audience. With apologies, this one doesn't even stir me to drop the combatants a note; I'm going to trust it'll fizzle out when one side or other gets bored; or else someone'll get stompy with the perps. WP:AN or WP:ANI or WP:3RRN might be better places for this sort of report, IMO. If you have the energy you could try to combat the unverifiable nature of the content, go for it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sig Help

I was wondering how I might place the 'contribs' in my signature above 'Improve' with a line between them, sort of like a fraction or something or other. Anyone know how to do this?— DædαlusT@lk / Improve\ Contribs 09:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, as a side note, please tell me on my talk page/reply on my talk page, I have too many pages in my watch list already.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve\ Contribs 09:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User page duplicates article

Hi. Sorry if this is not the right place to post this but I don't know if what they have done is wrong or not. The user JCV9276 just appears to have duplicated Michael Jordan's article and put in his own (exaggerated) details. Is this something that is allowed or not? She'sGotSpies (talk) 12:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a violation of GFDL, and therefore of copyright, as he has not kept the edit history of the Michael Jordan article intact. Corvus cornixtalk 18:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I've blanked the page and explained the situation on his/her talk page. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
OK. Good to know for the future! Thanks, She'sGotSpies (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] transfer to commons

Hi

I'de like to transfer this image (Image:Lorica range.PNG) to commons : is there an automated procedure ? (There are lot of images interesting for commons !) Poleta33 (talk) 13:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Assuming an image meets the necessary criteria, I think you could just move it to the Commons and then follow #III.2 of Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion#What_not_to_list_here. Unfortunately I don't know if there is an automated procedure.—RJH (talk) 17:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There's no automatic transfer of images, but Commons Helper will create a nicely formatted image description based on the Wikipedia image page to paste into the new Commons page. - BanyanTree 07:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war: kurdish people

There is an edit war going on at kurdish people. Comments and other input needed.--Vindheim (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(assistance)#User:emerson7

verifications;

Please help. I seem to be having a problem with emerson7 undoing work that I have contributed. The adds. that I have made are self explanatory. The issue is with "Performers who have used or are using Guadagnini instruments"

The performers who have used (and most of them are deceased), are linked to wiki articles. The instruments that these artists used, are linked to a professional database cozio.com. The links are to specific instruments they have used (which are marked accordingly on cozio site). If emerson7 is not familiar with such information, he/she should either get familiar & or try to correct whatever it is that he/she does not agree with. But deleting valuable information and reverting it back to the way it was, which was insufficient for that reason had these posted:

 This article or section may contain original research or unverified claims.
Please improve the article by adding references. See the talk page for details. (February 2008)
This section does not cite any references or sources. (February 2008)
Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed.


This is what has been said between us so far:

"any claim made regarding blp must be buttressed by reliable, verifiable references. --emerson7 20:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you be more specific "regarding blp" ?Milliot (talk) 20:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

blp is a reference to assertions made regarding living people. further, you cannot use wikipedia articles as references. --emerson7 21:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Just so you are aware, I was not the one using wikipedia articles as references.Milliot (talk) 03:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)" Milliot (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that Emerson7 - and others - are perhaps a little frustrated with what appears to them to be a persistent failure on your part to accept some of the norms of wikipedia, embodied most notably in the Manual of Style. I have looked at only a faction of the edits involved: I can see instances where you should not have been reverted, but in which, equally, you have added content with little or no attention to style. I hope and expect that you will take the time to consider the extent to which the way in which you present the information you append to articles impacts upon people's judgments of those additions; just as I hope and expect that Emerson7 will do his best to embrace & extend your contributions, for example by formatting them, rather than extinguishing them. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
it is neither my place nor intention to repeatedly play clean up after milliot. if after an attempt is made to explain why certain edits are incorrect, and they are not corrected, it is appropriate those those edits to be removed. --emerson7 00:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
It might then be better to leave the content for someone else to tidy, than remove it. If content is repeatedly in need of & gets tidied, Milliot might start to see th pattern. If it is merely deleted he will not. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input Tagishsimon. I like what you did with Giovanni Battista Guadagnini.

Emerson7;

interesting choice of words Emerson7. I believe it was you who kept reverting back Nagyvary to a Stradivari article. Which really had no place of being there since it was about his experiments, which have been rebuked by experts in the field. And now you are waging war on relevant information which I have contributed to (in other articles), which you keep deleting. Shame on you. There is no reason for this, as most people here are really trying to make wiki a better source of information. Deleting valuable information, after it has been added is really not nice. Please stop. Now you are doing same with Messiah Stradivari article by deleting very relevant information about a person who played an immense part in its history. If you are not familiar with the history, then read about it. But please take Tagishsimon's advice.Milliot (talk) 01:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)