Talk:Villa Baviera

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[edit] Fictitious article

The further down you get on this entry, the more it smells like BS. Supreme Moolah of Iran 05:18, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

many sources are biased against Pinochet: we should try to find completely NPOV sources, or try to balance information from two opposing POV sources.

It may smell like bullshit, it is strong stuff indeed. But over here in Germany, the facts reported in the article are more or less accepted facts, including very strong rumors of sexual molestation and more than a little help for Pinochet's secret police (which does not really surprise me - German Nazis helping a reactionary regime does not sound too far-fetched...) Torben

Anybody knows that outside of Chile Pinochet has had lots of "destructive advertisements". There are several reasons for this (starting with the CIA and several news sources such as CNN).
What makes Paul Schäfer an "ex-Nazi"? He was forced to join the armed forces in Germany to work as a paramedic, a nurse, for Gods sake! But of course, the word "Nazi" looks good on headlines. Many newspapers and internet pages, like Wikipedia, makes it sound like Schäfer was a nazi war criminal that fled to South America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators "As in Argentina, several former Nazis escaped to this country. After Augusto Pinochet's 1973 coup, some of them, such as Paul Schäfer, chief of the Colonia Dignidad cult..." He fled to Chile to avoid being arrested for child molestation. Nothing else. And here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_Nazis "Prominent ex-NSDAP Member" He wasn't an NSDAP member. Logically, every paramedic in the U.S. is a prominent republican! :-)

[edit] biased against Pinochet???

surprised to read that this article is biased against Pinochet. I thought it was biased in favor of Pinochet. Pinochet and this part of Chile's history harshly divide Chilean society. With reasons. But, others parts of the world have a less passionate look at it. Many informations, since Pinochet arrest in 1998 in London, have been given, including by the CIA (the most reliable of all unreliable sources, or the most unreliable of reliable sources?). This article has to be actualized. After Paul Schäfer arrest in march 2005, chilean authorities have taken administrative control of the place in august 2005 (this can be easily verified in mainstream media). No doubt they will find lots, lots more than what is said here, with a bit too much caution.

Why does this not mention anything about the former Nazi members' involvements? This seems like it would be a very big deal.
What makes you think that everything related to nazis must be a big deal? Nazis were "evil" only on Europe. The nazis living in southamerica behave accordingly. Sure, they are still biggots, but they don't go spreading propaganda or murdering jews, even those who did back in the day. Therefore, for articles regarding civilian life, having been a nazi or not in Chile is completely irrelevant, moreso to this article.
--Korosuke 20:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reference

i just wanted to point out that, while i'm sure it's a lovely book, "History of the Nazi Involvement With the Occult" sounds incredibly suspect, especially as it is the only thing in the reference section. --dan 01:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] cat :former German colonies

to list this under above mentioned cat is simply wrong. It is a "colony" in the old latin meaning of the word. A settlement. It never was part of Germany. I´ll remove the cat.--Tresckow 04:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History Channel Special

I just happened to stumble across a History Channel special on cults (it was a special episode of "Decoding the Past") and this cult was mentioned. It agreed with such accusations as torture, killing, pedophilia, nazi involvement, and involvement with Pinochet. I figure the History Channel is a pretty reliable source, but is there anyone who knows how to look up or source information from a television show? Galactor213 18:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Sadly, there are still no reliable sources for chilean history involving Pinochet. Foreign sources are even more unreliable since most are based on hear-say, some going to ridiculous exaggerations such as saying there were submarines on the Mapocho river (which is 3 mt deep).
--Korosuke 20:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name of article

Someone has renamed this article to reflect the former name of the settlement, claiming that it is the most common usage. While I agree that the former name is widely used and recognized, it still seems that it is more accurate to have the actual, legal name of the settlement as the title of the article, with a re-direct from the original name. Naturally, the article will include an explanation as to the change of the name.

Does anyone else have any views about this issue? --JAXHERE | Talk 16:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think we should split the articles, to help wash away the bad name. The only thing that remains the same is the infrastructure.
--Korosuke 20:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added NPOV flag

The article is terribly biased, from the relation with Pinochet (which is pretty much irrelevant since most of the nation was supporting him) and the nazi title... ¿Is it relevant? They were sexist but not racist.

And the part with finding a tank? I live in Chile, very near the Villa and I had NEVER heard about that. I checked the source but it talks about suspected biological hazards, not weapons.

I was going to correct these mistakes, but what's the point? Internet is flooded with fabricate evidence anyway.

Also, the good parts are not mentioned. Before the child abuse issue the population was very happy with the social work done by the germans, who gave free education and medicine to the locals.

Finally, a german friend of mine said that the Villa is actually part of a cult that was banned in Germany decades ago. Anyone has information about this?