Talk:Viktor Belenko

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[edit] Removing POV bits

"Fame" is too much for a traitor. 217.144.98.250 10:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Get a grip. "Traitor" to the Communist dictators? Sure. He chose freedom over a life of slavery to the state. If you can't handle that, tough. A2Kafir 13:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

"Fame" isn't POV. Murderers can be famous. So can heroes. Calling him a hero is arguably POV but he was undeniably famous. Kaleja 22:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he traited Comunist dictators for good of Capaitlist dictators. But stealing of MiG turns him into traitor of millions of simple Soviet peoples as it's put their lifes in danger during cold war... Oleg_Str

How's that? The only way the Russian MiG-25s would have been used was to destroy inbound American bombers. That would only have happened if America was under nuclear attack from the USSR (Khrushchev: "We will bury you!"). In short, you're complaining that Belenko gave the US a slight advantage, one that, combined with others, didn't allow the USSR to get away with the first strike they dearly wanted to launch. Well, gee, so sorry. A2Kafir 21:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Viktor Belenko got out because the Soviet system sucked...and he got out in style:) Wikiphyte 15:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

If don`t know american plan "Dropshot" and dozens of another plans of preemtive strikes against USSR, you better not show your foolness. Belenko is bloody traitor.

Plans can be drawn up by anyone. But only the most extreme anti-American could think that such plans would ever even be considered, much less acted on, by the American political or defense leadership. The USSR was aggressively trying to spread totalitarian communism worldwide--and said so. Stalin would have attacked in a heartbeat if he ever thought the USSR could withstand the American retaliation; and all further Soviet leaders had pretty much the same attitude, if slightly less aggressiveness about it, until Gorbachev. And Putin seems intent on revinving that kind of aggression, which is truly sad. A2Kafir 01:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I could objectively agree that the chances of American nuclear attack were slight, but then so were the chances of Soviet nuclear attack. However, nuclear weapons are ghastly enough that even a change in percentages makes Belenko a great traitor indeed. --Kazuaki Shimazaki 14:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

• For example, suppose that the aggregate chance of nuclear war during the Cold War was 1% (doesn't matter which side was going to start it because it was likely to be MAD in the 76-90 period). Suppose that the change to the Soviet-American balance is such that the Americans would be able to slip through enough extra bombers to kill 1 million extra Soviets thanks to Belenko. Then Belenko is responsible for 1 million*0.01=10,000 Soviet lives. Worse, he did not significantly alter the ability of Soviet weapons to reach American cities. So all he did was just increase the number of casualties to his own country, as well as the total number of casualties. --Kazuaki Shimazaki 14:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
• For the other 99% that nuclear war does not occur, the Soviet people are still the guys that have to pay the price. The premature replacement of much equipment was mandated thanks to Belenko, costing the Soviets millions, perhaps billions of roubles. Guess where those sodding roubles ultimately came from. Of course, the Soviet people. That's a lot of schools and hospitals that might have been built if not for Belenko. Even if all they were going to build is an extra carrier, it was something for the Soviet people. Now all that's gone, thanks to selfish Belenko's desire to go to the States. Why doesn't he find himself a fishing boat and row his sorry butt across... --Kazuaki Shimazaki 14:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but he wasn't American, but Russian. If he decided to move after that episode with the aircraft, it doens't change nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.208.25.68 (talk) 13:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow, this argument is quite funny. This man was a military officer, he made a pledge. Than he broke it. Thus, he's a traitor. Communists or whatever have nothing to do with this. With respect, Ko Soi IX 01:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

--Que interesante la historia de este personaje, escapó de la dictadura comunista de una forma bastante americana =D y con todos los hechos posteriores que implicó, fascinante. Debiera escribir un libro =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.126.126.145 (talk) 03:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)