Talk:Vienna

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:
This article has an assessment summary page.
Vienna is included in the 2007 Wikipedia for Schools, or is a candidate for inclusion in future versions. Please maintain high quality standards, and make an extra effort to include free images, because non-free images cannot be used on the CDs.
Peer review This Geography article has been selected for Version 0.5 and subsequent release versions of Wikipedia. It has been rated B-Class on the assessment scale (comments).

See Talk:Vienna_(disambiguation)

this definitely needs some love...hopefully from someone who lives there...

How about a cleanup tag? --Rednaxela 12:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Any particular reason for this? The remark you are responding to was made in October 2002, and the page has changed a lot since then. Martg76 18:23, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The one world lines along the left of the infobox certainly caught my eye, plus the large number of lists there are in this article. Just a little bit of pruning here and there? --Rednaxela 15:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Contents

[edit] So many city names!

Hmmm, so many versions of the city's name in different languages is overdoing it a bit, maybe? Perhaps just the English and German are sufficient?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proper_names#Place_Names

Alexd 21:18, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The two obvious ones should remain in the first paragraph. There is historical context that gives value to the others, but they don't need to clutter up the beginning, I'll move them to the end. (For various Austrian monarchs, their alternative names are also listed after the content.) --Shallot 23:16, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
It’s particularly relevant to include Vienna’s name in other Central European languages, given the city’s history as an imperial capital to so many nationalities in the region. Certainly it’s appropriate to mention them in the tongues of the former crownlands, at least the more major ones. -- GJK 10:45, 18 Oct 2005 (GMT+1)

Can anyone explain to me why reorganizing this article automatically means removing all but one photograph? <KF> 14:24, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links

The external links section in this article is huge. Can someone who knows the subject check and trim the list? See Wikipedia:External links for criteria. Rl 13:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


Although there are probably now less links than 2 years ago, I'm very inclined to remove all links to tourism sites apart from the official Vienna Tourist Board. It's not that the couple of sites currently in the list of external links are bad sites; just that this article is about Vienna, not "Visiting Vienna as a Tourist". Furthermore, if you allow one site to be listed, it creates problems when other, similar, sites are later added. After all, you need to draw the line somewhere.

What do others think? I don't just want to go ahead and delete the links; I think it would be good to reach a consensus and maybe add an appropriate comment to the external links section. Steevm 03:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vienna second biggest German-speaking city?

I wonder are Munich and Frankfurt not bigger? In terms of population they are larger, according to CityPopulation.de. Robertbyrne 19:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, Hamburg and Berlin certainly are. And I don't think it's important to rank it in this way in the introduction anyway. Tfine80 20:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Robertbyrne: According to that website, that city population of Vienna is larger than that of either Frankfurt or Munich (much larger than that of Frankfurt, which has a population of 643.000 only). Things look different if you look at agglomerations, where there are several larger ones in Germany. Martg76 21:30, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
As far as I know, it's #3 after Berlin and Hamburg. #4 is Munich. -newkai | talk | contribs 03:34, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
Munich and Frankfurt are both smaller than Vienna, Hamburg is almost equal in population... the only german-speaking city that is really bigger than Vienna is Berlin --Asdfking123 08:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


NO!!! 1. Berlin 2. Munich 3. Vienna 4. Hamburg

What are you talking about?? Vienna is -of course- much bigger than munich. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacky89 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Numbers from wiki
Berlin 3,410,000 - Hamburg 1,766,156 - Vienna 1.678.435 - Munich 1,348,650 - Cologne 991,395 - Frankfurt 667,598 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.247.14 (talk) 13:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Romani

I Think the Romani Name of Vienna is Betschi. Look at here.

[edit] celtic name

User:213.152.56.60 added the claim that the name comes from from the Celtic Uindobona 'Fair Bottomland' , but does not give a source. The Encyclopedia Britannica says that the Celtic name "Vindobona" means "white field". For the moment, I have removed the translation. --Austrian 21:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The celtic name is "Wedunia"!!! "Vindobona" is the roman name! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.116.220.37 (talk) 14:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translations of Vienna

I really don't like how the translations of "Vienna" clutter the introduction. I would suggest we move that to another section all on its own, and provide maybe only one or two in the introduction (German, Czech, Hungarian maybe?) - grubber 17:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

We only really need the German, with the others listed somewhere else. -newkai | talk | contribs 18:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I was bold and moved them to the infobox. -newkai | talk | contribs 22:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for moving the translations to the infobox! However, I am wondering if all those translations fit here. I quite like the translations into central european languages and english, but why are Swahili, Dutch, Greek, and Afrikaans listed? I'd rather keep the list short. --tomst | talk 14:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

As much as I hate to say it... This article needs some NPOV work. Sentences such as Excellent, enormous and authentic Wiener Schnitzels are available at the Figlmüller restaurant (Bäckerstraße 6) are simply blatant point of view, and not fact! -newkai | talk | contribs 19:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

A similar reference to Figlmüller was removed from the german Vienna article some time ago. I do not see the value of that information either. Tomst 07:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mayor of Vienna in April 1997?

Not for this page, but I'm seeking to confirm the identity and full name of a "Dr. Zulk, mayor of Vienna" appearing in an archival photograph (Cat. No. 15106) of a speaker at an international conference on Janusz Korczak held April 2-5, 1997. I suspect the surname may be misspelled, as searching "Zulk" yields nothing in either the English or German Wikipedia. --Thanks, Deborahjay 13:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

His last name is spelled Zilk See: Helmut Zilk -newkai t-c 15:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missile reach circle

By my calculations, Vienna has the dubious honour, if Iran positions missiles in the far north western corner of Iran of being the most distant and most important European city that can be threatened with atomic destruction by Tehran's world-famously lovely politicians in a few year time, with current missile technology. I don't suppose anyone in Vienna has actually noticed this? (Good job the Israelis have.) Iran won't attack, of course, but at least the Vienna papers would shy from "depicting" the prophet. --LeedsKing 11:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Austrias "Neutrality shield" would be activated and no such missile will ever reach the city.

I don't think that this is a real big problem, because we are not in the NATO or declare war to any country which wont give us oil. We don't think that if the iran produces perhaps 5 rockets per year that they would attack us because we don't have such big prodlems with the Iran like Israel etc.

[edit] Complement EU

On December 16, 2004, The World Factbook, a publication of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) added an entry for the European Union. [1] According to the CIA, the European Union was added because the EU "continues to accrue more nation-like characteristics for itself". Their reasoning was explained in this small statement in the introduction:

The evolution of the European Union (EU) from a regional economic agreement among six neighboring states in 1951 to today's supranational organization of 25 countries across the European continent stands as an unprecedented phenomenon in the annals of history... ... for such a large number of nation-states to cede some of their sovereignty to an overarching entity is truly unique... ... the EU ... has many of the attributes associated with independent nations: its own flag, anthem, founding date, and currency, as well as an incipient common foreign and security policy in its dealings with other nations. In the future, many of these nation-like characteristics are likely to be expanded. Thus, inclusion of basic intelligence on the EU has been deemed appropriate as a new, separate entity in The World Factbook. However, because of the EU's special status, this description is placed after the regular country entries.

I might add that EU citizens have EU- numberplates, -passports, drivinglicense, the EU institutions, and regular election. I hope you support the small extension I made... all the best Lear 21 18:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vienna's vineyards

Vienna is not the only city with its own vineyards. Paris has them too, on the Montmartre Hill.

Paris, it seems, has only one vineyard [2]. So, the statement that Vienna is the only capital with vineyards (plural) is actually correct, although it is a bit confusing. I'll add a note about Paris. --Stemonitis 09:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cathedral?

I tought that Steffl is one of the most famoust vienna sights but there is no picture of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.200.89.32 (talk)

You're absolutely right of course. I have replaced a picture of a flak tower (not such an important tourist attraction, although interesting in their own way) with one of the Stephansdom. --Stemonitis 14:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nations

There are a lot of nationalities living in vienna but there is no any nummber about it.(although there are per cents of religius in vienna)

[edit] Note to Translators

To anyone who's involved in translating text for this page, please bear a couple of things in mind when you are translating:

  • You don't need to literally translate every single bit of German. In fact, many German speakers tend to waffle, especially when writing. It's dreadful enough in German :) Call a spade a spade, not "an earth relocation implement". Chop out all redundant "bla bla".
  • Don't leave the German sentence structure; the English ends up being very stilted. Rephrase things and split up sentences if necessary.
  • Don't translate all the awful marketing bla bla that's probably been added to the German by the Vienna tourist board or whoever. Wiki is an encyclopaedia (e.g. Nachteulen die Nightline fahren).
  • Read through the English when you're translated it, and correct it as though it were an English text. It is very important for the translated text to read as though it was actually originally written in English. If English isn't your mother tongue, get someone to proofread the text for you who is a native speaker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steevm (talk • contribs) 02:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
A couple of other points if I may:
  • Please provide explanations when the original text refers to things (e.g. places, people etc) which are familiar to most German speakers but may not be to English speakers.
  • If German is your native language, consider translating articles from English into German as well - not only is this likely to be easier, but there is a wealth of material you can get working on - whereas pickings are relatively slim the other way round - since the English Wiki is currently bigger than the German. Lfh 20:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

"Adolf Hitler lived in Vienna from 1907 until 1913. The Academy Of Fine Arts of the city rejected him as a student. When Hitler became broke and homeless he stayed at homeless shelters like the one on the Meldemann Strasse." I know that Hitler's years in Vienna had quite an important effect on him, however is this really neccessary for this article? The 'History of Vienna' article does not mention his years in Vienna at all and it is much longer than this section. It's just a thought, I guess you don't have to agree with me

Quite right! Vienna may have been important to Hitler, but Hitler was not so very important to Vienna (at least no more so than many other cities in Central Europe). Certainly, Hitler's youth had no discernible effect on the city, and should not be mentioned here. --Stemonitis 14:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I have removed that bit, since I agree it isn't really relevant. However I wrote a new sentence mentioning his presence and the importance it had on him, since that (shorter version) does seem quite interesting and relevant as Vienna was a very multicultural imperial hub at the time. Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that he learned to hate Jews in Vienna so I think that's important. Dmhaglund 11:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
On second thought, above users are right. I have now removed the sentence about Hitler's youth from the history section. That information is best suited in the article about Hitler. Users please note I've extended the history section somewhat to encompass the 20th Century, which was previously given short shrift; I hope it isn't too long here. Dmhaglund 12:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Fine Cuisine"

Just noticed the history bit claims Vienna was known for its fine cuisine under the Hapsburg Empire. I've never heard this claim anywhere before - can anyone attest to its accuracy? Even if it is accurate it doesn't seem relevant so I will delete it within a few days unless I hear strenuous objections for some reasons. Dmhaglund 09:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] # of visitors

User:Stemonitis, please check the source before you revert corrections. According to the given statistics [3] each of the mentioned museums has more than 280,000 visitors, not 250,000.

  • Kunsthistorisches Museum: 665,149
  • the Hofburg (imperial apartments): 583,000
  • Naturhistorisches Museum: 338,897
  • Technisches Museum Wien: 285,820

--Spitzl 17:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see the source of the misunderstanding. The original text was poorly worded (almost certainly my fault); I think the implication was meant to be that each of the attractions in that paragraph had more than 250,000, not just the last sentence, so including the Kunstforum. --Stemonitis 17:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
oh, well then sorry about that. Maybe we should make it more clear then that the number also refers to the art galleries, and not only to the popular museums. --Spitzl 18:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
No need to apologise; it's my fault entirely. It dates from an attempt of mine (which I think succeeded in general terms) to establish a list of attractions determined by some objective criterion which could be referenced. I'll be happy as long as the article accurately reflects the sources and as long as it doesn't slip back to the state of every editor adding his favourite museum (and there are a lot to choose from). Actually, that should be referenced somewhere, that Vienna has more museums than any other city, according to some claims, although I forget whose claims those are. --Stemonitis 18:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I now rephrased the paragraph and added the number of museums (figures for 2004). I also replaced the Hofburg (which is already mentioned above) with the rather important Leopold Museum. Btw, the Museumsquartier itself is not a museum but a cultural area where many museums are located. --Spitzl 10:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Good work. And yes, I know the Museumsquartier; I've been to something like 150 museums in Vienna. --Stemonitis 10:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If you are more interested in the ranking of tourist attractions. There is a German Wikipedia article that lists the most visited attractions in Vienna 2005. --Spitzl 13:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extensive Source

Note this source of general information on Austria and particularly sightseeing in Vienna.

Secondly, I would suggest a clean-up in the external links section - advertisements seem not appropriate to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.232.66.24 (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC).


Well this is not a travel page, Keep in mind. However, The links look fine to me.(DoubleNine 22:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC))

That is actually what I meant: 4 of the external links lead to tourism sites, I would consider them linkspam on this article.

have you any thoughts on my comments under the heading "External links" on this subject? Steevm 17:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] missing the media (radio, tv, newspapers...)

One thing that seems to be missing in this article is the wide range of media companies, such as tv and radio stations. There is a whole paragraph in the german article about it. --Spitzl 08:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] vandalism

i don't know how to revert to the previous revision, so can someone do that? 83.174.62.119 09:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Check Help:Reverting to find out how to do it. --Spitzl 13:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Musical Mile/Walk of the Stars

Is this a notable subject? I have been copyediting another article that refers to a band (Baccara) having a memorial along Vienna's Walk of the Stars, and was hoping to wikilink it... but nothing found. Maybe this could be added by someone who knows a bit more about it than I do? Regards 80.229.35.229 13:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC) (edit) EyeSereneTALK 13:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC) (damn computer auto-logged me out!)

[edit] References

The article is tagged as requiring references. I think it would be great if the missing references could be tagged in the text itself (or at least tag the sections, not the whole article), so that we know what needs to be sourced, rather than the entire article.

I'd agree that there aren't enough references for an article of this size, but I'd like to have some sort of guidance as to what needs to be referenced. That way I can actually see if I can find something. There's quite a lot of information in this article that is (to me at least) quite simply common knowledge. Steevm 17:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Removing the template in absence of any specific guidance on what needs referencing. I have just scanned the article and see nothing that looks doubtful. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 00:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable residents

Only two??? Riki 16:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

well, there are obviously loads, but apart from johann strauss, nobody really springs to mind that is synonymous with Vienna. Quoting from Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory:
"Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic, for example Nixon's Enemies List."
Being a capital city, obviously loads of well known people have lived there at some time - from Adolf Hitler to Bryan Adams; from various emperors to Friedrich Hundertwasser, Sigmund Freud and Gustav Klimt. Whether listing them all (and hundreds of others) adds to the article in a constructive manner is something I severely doubt. Ideally, if they are particularly significant, they belong in the article itself - either under culture, tourist attractions or history (as the case may be). btw, I'd actually associate Mozart (who is one of the two listed) more with Salzburg than Vienna.
As a side note, other city articles, such as New York City and London don't have any such a list in them. So I'd be all in favour of removing the list from the Vienna article, rather than expanding it. Any reason not to do this? :) Steevm 00:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Steevm, about this and the touristy external links (discussed above). -- Rob C. alias Alarob 02:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Metroploitan Area" or "Urban Area"

The number here, about the population of the metropolitan area is, as far I understand the Information on the Hompage, where the numbers are from, that these numbers are more the Urban Area not the metropolitan area? Correct me if i am wrong, but i think in the metropolitan area are also cities wich are closely affiliated to the city, but are not in the urban area, like Baden, or even Wr. Neustadt, or even Bratislava, in that case.



Population: 1,664,146 (01.01.2007)[1]
Metropolitan Area: 2,268,656 (01.01.2007)[2]


85.125.144.220 22:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
sorry thats my correct User-ID
Nsae Comp 22:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, after some reading, i have to correct my question, it is the metroploitan area, because the number also incorporates cities wich are not conected by urban area, but never the less, what is then the population of the urban area of vienna.

... and i am sorry, but i dont know what to do with my discussion topic, am i allowed to take it out, because i corrected me myself? Nsae Comp 22:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vienna's Technical Military Academy

Should redirect to...? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Missing

There is no geography section in the article and climate data is also missing. I looked up the average monthly temperatures for Vienna: [4]. If anyone knows how to make nice tables and charts, please don't hesitate to help out. Thanks, (Einstein00 (talk) 19:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC))

Information about Vienna in popular culture such as popular film and TV that is based there such as Inspector Rex (popular in Australia), or references in popular music. SimonMackay (talk) 03:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of Gloriette useful?

Don't think so, because the gloriette is neither a major sight nor THAT impotant anyway. (It is part of the schönbrunner tiergarten). I think it would be better if there was a picture of the st.stephans. or something. I personally like this picture very much (http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00233/wien_uebersicht_DW__233664g.jpg) but I am not that familiar with uploading or getting the license for pictures. it would be nice if someone more experienced would do that.

[edit] Entry height of tram?

The ULF tram stock, designed by Porsche and built by Siemens boasts an entry height of 180 mm (7 in), the lowest in the world.

Huh? What does entry height mean? What does this have to do with Vienna? Makes me wonder if it is an odd little specialed ad placement. --NealMcB (talk) 01:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please give your opinion about Proposal II which will define Central Europe

Give your support or opposition at the Central Europe talk page, since we are looking for a single definition for it. It's very important. ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 17:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you all that participated and gave their opinion on Proposal II.

Proposal II was approved, 13 editors supported it and 5 editors opposed it. Proposal II is now in effect and it redefined Central Europe. ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 23:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)