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Contents 1 Company History 2 Criticism 3 Relax Calwatch 4 why isnt this bigger? 5 More Photos 6 How the Name was Selected 7 Removal of advertising 8 controversy 9 removed lengthy list of supermodels featured on fashion shows 10 Location? 11 Company details? 12 Products 13 This is Blatant Advertising 14 What's the secret? 15 How did VS come into existence 16 Customer service 17 Emanuela de Paula

[edit] Company History

... missig. Exept an enormous list of supermodels this article does not give any information of the companies origin, and very little on it's growth and current structure. If your a VS buff, please update this article.

It was started in San Francisco in 1977 by a Stanford MBA named Roy Raymond, who wanted to purchase lingerie for his wife in an environment less creepy than a department store lingerie section (which look nearly identical ~30 years later), and less dirty than some of the other catalogs at the time. The first store, at Stanford Shopping Center, was followed by a mail order catalog and 3 other stores. In 1982, he sold the company to The Limited.

[edit] Criticism

VS, like it or not, does have legitimate criticism from religious and women's organizations, and that criticism shows up every year the Fashion Show occurs. You can check any major newspaper for their pre-Fashion Show article and they will devote a paragraph to the critics. Therefore, we will too, and any attempt to delete the criticism will be quickly reverted. Calwatch 04:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

These are pictures of women wearing VS's Product? What are you expecting to see on their site, Eskimos in parkas?

Speaking of criticism, shouldn't something be mentioned about Victoria's Secret using unnecessary amounts of virgin paper when printing their catalogs?

True. There has been critisism from lots of groups and organizations. We should at least mention it... Snowonster 02:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relax Calwatch

Why don't you let go of some of your anger and relax a little bit Calwatch. You'll live a longer happier life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

I'm not angry, but there are issues. I am going to reword the statement to cite mainstream references, though, when I get a chance. The statements are not "too political" because a great deal of WP is political, if you haven't noticed. Calwatch 05:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't bother with the "reword" Cal, it will just get deleted. And you most defiantly sound angry. I suggest you go outside, smell some flowers, eat a donut and see a funny movie. You'll feel much better for doing so.

[edit] why isnt this bigger?

its sorta small for such a large company.

---On that note, it could deffo use more info on the differences between the collections VS offers, e.g., IPEX, secret embrace, angels, emma, body by victoria... the section on lovepink is a good start.

[edit] More Photos

I suggest that there be MORE, MORE I TELL YA photos of Victoria's Secret supermodels featuring the company's products (i.e. langerie) accompanying this article for informational and educational purposes.--Ruthless4Life 13:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Better? I added image of the logo and Gisele Bundchen. mirageinred 05:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Informational and educational? Sorry, we all know what you're looking for. The VS article won't be edited to include tons and tons of erotica.

[edit] How the Name was Selected

I would really like to include a section if possible, of how the person came up with the name of "Victoria's Secret". What Victoria was he referencing? Queen Victoria? Why did he decide to do this.

Name has nothing to do with Queen Victoria at all. Victoria was simply a name the founder (Roy Raymond) thought sounded sophisticated. While behind most names there are great marketing stories (such as a train ride in Europe when Mr. Raymond met a beautiful woman with gorgeous lingerie just barely showing from beneath her blouse), the truth is often bland, as is the case here.

[edit] Removal of advertising

Removed the following paragraph, since it reads like advertising:

"The sale occurring twice a year at Victoria's Secret and Victoria's Secret Beauty offers the cheapest prices of the season, offering a plethora of deals. The first sale of 2007 will begin on January 3rd. Don't miss it."

(talk to) Caroline Sanford 03:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Smart choice. Definitely sounds like advertising to me. Snowonster 02:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] controversy

Shouldn't be a part mentioning the criticism of the ultra-conservative United States society

[edit] removed lengthy list of supermodels featured on fashion shows

The information was simply excessive and unnecessary. mirageinred 22:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

But why is there no mention of Yasmeen Ghauri here?

[edit] Location?

If it's based in San Francisco, then why is it in Category:Companies based in Ohio? --Sakaki22 18:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe because Limited Brands, the company that now owns Victoria's Secret, is based in Ohio. When I get my paychecks, they come from Ohio. --Soon to be Ex-Victoria's Secret Employee

[edit] Company details?

How about some company details please? Number of stores? CEO? etc. Sure, the fashion stuff is fun and guys can drool over the pictures but there's no details here.

I also feel the credit card should get a mention. Not many people realize there's a card, not to mention that signing up customers for it is a requirement of continued employment by their stores. Info such as the bank that backs it could be included. I realize that other retail stores have credit cards, but Victoria's Secret sells relatively low-ticket items compared to Best Buy or Sears where one can spend upwards of $500 or more on a single electronics item or home appliance. I'd add the info myself, but I have to run to work and fold undergarments. ;) --68.82.34.18 11:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Products

I was hoping someone can elaborate more about VS Beauty products, Angels, Secret Embrace, IPEX, Very Sexy, Body, etc. I would love to but I haven't found any references. (Number1spygirl 04:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)).

[edit] This is Blatant Advertising

This page is as much blatant advertising as any other page discussing the history of a company. Why is Victoria's Secret allowed to "advertise" here and other companies have their pages removed just because they are small and just getting started?

R.L

President/CEO <company name removed by Dweller> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.153.63.219 (talk) 02:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Because it is a notable company. --Dweller 10:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

As I have told the user by e-mail: no company is allowed to use Wikipedia for advertising, big or small; this page is not an advertisement and its content is not controlled by the company; as a matter of fact Victoria's Secret is notable by virtue of being a major nation-wide company with yearly revenue of thousands of millions of dollars; your company doesn't seem to be, being founded last year; if you believe it is, the burden of proof is on you (or anybody else who wants to create an article about it); and ultimately, Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia, that is a compendium of existing knowledge, not a means of making something known. Am I being clear enough? - Mike Rosoft 21:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's the secret?

If it is Vicoria's Secret, then what's the 'secret' the company name refers to? Jacob Poon 21:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How did VS come into existence

Though much has been said about the models, no one has mentioned how Victorias secrets came into existence. I had the opportunity of attending a business quiz where a question was asked on the founder. I dont exactly remember, but the person had something to do with internships or something similar. If anyone gets such iformation, please be kind enough to post.Unik1985 (talk) 09:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Customer service

As several people have noted, this article makes no mention of Victoria's Secret's aggressive customer service/credit card sales, which is a key aspect of the company and has caused a bit of controversy as well. If nobody objects, I am going to add information about this, I'll keep it NPOV and verifiable. Thanks. OhMyLola (talk) 18:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emanuela de Paula

Is Emanuela de Paula really the new angel?