Talk:Vicarious (Tool song)

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[edit] Tool Talk

Hello, I am new to wikipedia; I'm currently working on 3 articles (personally I think are coming along nicely lol, but need work / help from anyone willing). I am also a Tool fan and was wondering if it is ok to list a line or so to discuss or refer to song lyrics and their possible meaning. If not because of copyright (copyleft), I will understand.

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure it's okay to quote lyrics in order to analyze them. —Keenan Pepper 01:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Keenan Pepper, and I am reverting the comment left from 82.108.133.33. If you're going to vandalize; learn proper grammer, use proper sentence structure, and most of all capitals. Secondly, have the balls to let us know who you are. Had you given the rest of the album more of a chance, you might have liked it. But back to the topic at hand KP, it is my assumption that this song is entirely about society; I've read the IANAL and I am going to avoide any problems, by reffering to lines in what I say. I believe it's how we sit at home and watch the news on the TV and say "Wow what a shame, wish I could do something". Yet we don't, why? Because tragedy thrills us, why don't we just admit it? We don't give applause until the blood is flowing, I couldn't have said it better myself. Vicarious meaning what it does, "I live while the whole world dies" I am almost certain points to the line "Better you then I". Meaning this is what we all are thinking, just don't have the guts to admit it. The only one's in my opinion who don't relate to this song are the soldiers.
Big Boss Ocelot 08:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"The lyrics of "Vicarious" critique popular culture's obsession with Reality TV, sensationalist news, and the information overload of living through others' experiences" - this is merely an interpretation. The song explicitly takes on the position that "we all feed on tragedy", that is, we like to witness other people's misery from the remote safety of our home, and that it is hypocritical to deny it. Whether this is Maynard's or the band's position, or if it is an implicit criticism of the media, we can't be sure. I don't know why Reality TV is even mentioned here? Apparatus 18:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I'm with you on this one. King Bee 06:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I changed the information on the right to a "single infobox." Is this the standard way we should be doing these types of music pages on wikipedia, or not? I really like the way they look, in any event. King Bee 15:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Background newscast

OK, fan forums aren't usually reliable, but Tool fans are very dedicated. Doing some research of my own, I was able to verify the claim by filtering the song's stereo image with a karaoke effect. Anyone can do this themselves with a personal PC... in fact, I'd be happy to provide an audio sample if it meant that this information could remain in the article. BotleySmith 02:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vicarious

it also can be about the energy that is wasted on the crapy media now days by living people in all the planet and the mind control that it has.

It has been noted that the song's hook bears a strong similarity to their former hit Schism's, and that the song's lyrical subject is comparable to the Staind song "Novocaine". ==what does that have to do with it?

I'm wondering if it would be more appropriate if it was worded as 'the songs intro bears a strong similarity to ... Schism's'. Because it is undoubtebly the intro of the song that sounds like Schism, and I've always thought of the term 'hook' as being a slang term for 'chorus', as the chorus is generally the part of the song that 'hooks' the listener. I dunno, just something I thought I'd mention. --Yayza 07:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics removed

Generally, lyrics shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lyrics

links to external sites with lyrics should be fine, though 68.14.79.31 01:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Vicarious Single2.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)