User talk:Viator slovenicus

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Pozdravljen še tukaj. LP --Tone 08:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Gradisca d'Isonzo

Please see explanation of the city name origin - Gradisca d'Isonzo. As I know gradilišče (not gradišče) would be a building site in Slovenian, while gradišče should be a "small town", in Croatian it is gradić. Am I wrong or... Zenanarh (talk) 15:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and happy New Year too. Zenanarh (talk) 22:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rožman, Urbančič...

Really? NPOV tags are normally added by people who just don't like what they are reading, but can't come up with any sources to 'correct' it. Otherwise, other material would be added to 'balance' the alleged NPOV article. So let's go through each article line by line, and you can point out what is POV rather than fact. Every statement is referenced, so you'll need counter sources. Pa znam slovensko... ni problema. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I make no allegation that you are biased. I know that you are not, and everything goes forward under WP:AGF.

However, you cannot throw tags such as

without providing evidence. It is so important to point this out... just because Wiki is the free, democratic encyclopedia, doesn't mean that you can throw whatever you like into any article. So explain and justify what you want to say please...
Come forward with sources, as I have done, and help make the articles better. Until then, I'll take your tags off, not because they are in bad faith, ut because they have no references. They are just your opinion. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 00:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict

Viaticus, please, I beg you, be careful. I have taken enormous care on what are contentious issues in Slovenia to source everything. If you have additional information, please bring it to the table. I welcome it. I will happily incorporate it into the articles, if it is well sourced etc. But your edits and talk page contributions this evening indicate a WP:POV as you added controversial tags to the articles without first discussing it at the talk page, or presenting alternative ideas. What exactly do you want? Just to rubbish the article?
And Wikipedia is not a wedding: WP:NPOV tags cannot be thrown around like confetti because somebody feels like it. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 00:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

Why don't you go through the links in Gregorij Rožman? Why don't you look at Rosener's execution notices, and then the photos of Rožman happily shaking hands with him two years later? I don't know what more proof you need. Uran has sucked you in. I'm disappointed in you. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 01:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rosener

The links are to f+++ckng scans of the execution notices. Photos, if you like. You are taking me down a path to war, and I don't want to go there. Revert your changes, or I'll go to Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

What do you want? I've said that constructive edits are welcome. But so far you've indicated that you want to make Wikipedia a love up to Erwin Rosener. --AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 01:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vipava

Viator, you're from the Vipava Valley, right? AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 21:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Fine. All your suggestions about additional sources etc sound good, and I'll look forward to reading the book you recommend. lp, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 10:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

WikiThanks

Thanks for translating those building names in the Vladimir Šubic‎ article. My "translator" was unable to do it for me. :) vıdıoman (talkcontribs) 00:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I wrote Nebotičnik so I figured I'd might as well throw in Šubic as well. :P vıdıoman (talkcontribs) 01:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prekmursko narečje

Zdravo! Jaz živim v Porbaju na Verici-Ritkarovci. Imam edan nauvi članak Wends dialect. Dosta se nej mogo pisati. Ka misliš, tau dobro? Doncsecz

[edit] Mentoring, guidance, coaching

Viator, I've noticed that of your edits of substance (rather than the ones where you try, sometimes unsuccessfully, to create or correct wikilinks) often things don't go especially well. A fair number of Homer Simpson D'oh! moments in there, buddy. You don't make that many actual additions - it's mostly tweaking - but errors of fact or of spelling, for example, seem to be rather too frequent for comfort. So, in the spirit of Wikicollaboration, I've come here to say that I'd be happy to offer you mentoring. I could follow you, correcting your spelling, for example, or give you advice about Wiki policies before you make embarrassingly incorrect statements. What do you think? I don't have a huge amount of free time at the moment, but I'm sure it'd be helpful in the future if I shadowed you for a while until you got up to speed on Wiki policies and so on. Have a think about it over the weekend, and then we'll see next week. I'm sure that with my advice and guidance you could become a truly helpful Wiki editor. All the best. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About the article Slavic Settlements in the eastern alps

Hi! What do you think about what Jalen wrote here, and about my commentary in the discussion of he article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_settlement_of_Eastern_Alps --Marcos G. Tusar (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slavic settlement in the Eastern Alps

Živjo,

si lahko prosim pogledaš tole poglavje [1] in ga morda dopolniš, če je potrebno. LP --Jalen (talk) 21:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slovenian help!

Hi buddy, just wondering if you could help me with a Slovenian translation: would the "Federation of Jewish Communities of Yugoslavia" (Serbian: Савез Јеврејских општина Југославије, Savez Jevrejskih Opština Jugoslavije) have been Zveze Jugoslovanskih Judovskih Skupnosti in Slovenian? Thanks in advance, AWN2 (talk) 03:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! AWN2 (talk) 23:35, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

Viator, Wiki is not a playground. Your tags have been removed. Please be aware that your opinions may be interesting, but have no relevance in this encyclopedia. Wiki policy clearly states that tags cannot be thrown in. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, Viator, I'll try to explain this clearly. Perhaps if I type slowly it might help you. You wrote "I believe the articles are not neutral (...) that's why I have tagged them". Viator, as I've explained to you before, your beliefs are irrelevant here at Wikipedia. So are mine. What is important here is the verifiability of statements and assertions. Then you wrote "I have explained my arguments very clearly, extensively and with a great degree of tollerance". The whole point is that you can't leave tags there forever with no intention to improve an article. You refuse to contribute constructively. You have on your user page "I am a young historian", you frequently go on about Boris Mlakar and others while clearly having not the first idea what you are talking about. You've never read anything by Mlakar. That's obvious. See this for example as your most embarrassing mistake [2] And that is why you do not do any positive editing in this area: you simply don't know enough. I have tried repeatedly to compromise, to listen, to understand, I have asked you repeatedly to bring forward your proposed alternative wordings for the three articles but had nothing back from you. Not a single word. And that's why you are being spoken to like this: you've made no attempt to be constructive in any way at any time. You say "Please restrain from vandalist behaviour, otherwise I will have to report you". Go right ahead, Viator. You sound just like my dear friend User:Cherso. Go ahead. Report me. For what? "And I will not tollerate your disrespectful speech: you have no right to tell me to shut up". Respect has to be earned, Viator. And if I choose to tell you to shut up, I will do so. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 22:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Again, compromise

Viator, here I am again. I come in peace. I know you feel uncomfortable, perhaps embarrassed, about our conversations as so far you have had nothing positive to contribute to any of our articles. Not a single word, despite all the help I've offered. And I know that you have not enjoyed the way I have addressed you sometimes. I'm sorry about that, but I will point out here that I was extremely f++king angry that I tried to edit the intro to the Rožman article to meet your concerns but had no feedback from you. None. Not a f++king word of encouragement.

So that we can perhaps go forward, let me help you. I'm not bothered at all when someone is "uncivil" toward me though I get really upset when people misrepresent sources, distort the facts, and so on. To be honest I think the "he called me a bad name" complaints that we see so often are immature; one expects that on a playground and not in a project to build an encyclopedia. What Wikipedia counts as "civility" often looks more like unctuous ingratiation, and what Wikipedia counts as "incivility" often looks more like forthright commentary.

However, I am here to say to you again that we can move these articles forward together (if you want to) and that being on bad terms will help nobody. This Wikipedia is a collaborative project that cannot succeed if drive-by taggings prevail. I'll say to you again: Tell me what you don't like and we'll work out a solution. And I don't mean "I don't like that section". I mean precisely what words you think are unfair. Tell me sentences that you don't like. So, please bring your suggestions forward. We can discuss them, and, I'm sure, agree what should be a good article in each case.

If you don't want to edit these articles then just tell me. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 02:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello Slovenian friend

Hello there! I hope you like what I have been doing with your capital. Perhaps this could be done to many of your cities. Its time SLovenia was put on the map! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks it looks a beautiful place -I love all the architecture of the central and eastern Europe anyway. I had seen pictures of SLovenia in the snow on postage stamps and thought WOW! I had no idea it was so picturesque!! I've put my name down at Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/Slovenia as the first member -you joining would be a crucial part of it as you live in the country. Hopefully there will eventually be more people like yourself who are Slovenian and use English wikipedia and want to improve the articles. SLovenia at present is sub standard -but this can be changed!! If you have no objection I would like to copy the missing articles on your user page to the project page cool? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome friend -nice to meet you! I look forward to seeing you around. I see you are at Uni in Budapest -I;ve done a lot of work on Category:Hungarian sculptors too and the national gallery etc in the city. Hungary looks lovely too! Some day I must give thes eplaces a visit ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

What I will gradually be aiming to do is to add a normal infobox and locator to all places like Begunje. I can't believe how strong the colour is of thes eplaces!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi I;ve created the below template for Celje. Could you help translate the red links for the places into english and help expand or add them. I;ve started a few stubs but can't speak the language unfortunately although I have learnt a few words such as grad and dom etc. Some fo the districts I;ve started have pages on SLovenian wiki ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AFD: FeNS

Pozdravljen, Viator. Kot poštenega in nepristranskega človeka bi te prosil, da podaš svoje mnenje tukaj, kakršno koli že je. Vnaprej hvala. --Eleassar my talk 17:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of slovenians

HI I have created List of Slovenian architects. I aim to created a full list using the recently created Template:Lists of Slovenians by occupation. Could you translate the links into english. e.g List of Slovenian admirals, List of Slovenian poets etc etc ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree there are probably some lesser notable bios in there, but the best way to start them is to copy the lists from SLovenian wiki and then if you feel appropriate we can filter out the lesser notable ones after. I'll try to stub a few, the problem is that all info is in SLovene and I can only make out the birth dates and field of study and perhaps university like Josip Križan I just started which a small stub is likely to attract the deletionist brigade. However I would feel very encouraged to start article if I can be assured that several editors can expand later ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

If you could translate the links for Template:Lists of Slovenians this would be a great start for Slovene biography on wikipedia ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

What I'll do is tag the new stubs I create with Template:Expand Slovenia which puts new stubs in Category:Slovenian articles needing translation so this way the project has a log of recently created articles which may require a bit of expansion to become acceptable. They don['t have to be expanded much but at least a little bit of knowledge added to them. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes I fully agree, it was intended as a tool, a platform to start the articles on but its probably best if they are moved to the project workspace e.g WikiProject Europe/Slovenia/Missing articles/Architects etc. If I start an article I'll be sure to see if it is potentially a good article and notable enough but you may need to decide this. I gather some editors on SLovenian wikipedia have got a bit over ambitious with their fellow countrymen ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow I'm amazed. Really most weren't notable?? I wonder why the editors on slovene wikipedia thought of generating such a list then ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yup I fully agree with you, although google isn't always the best tool there is a great deal of uneveness. If their are no objections I'll stub those architects now with the tag. I'll keep you posted about any new lists so you can filter them ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratualtions on Jože Javoršek very impressive -I've added an image to cap it ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 19:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cities, towns and villages in Slovenia

Hi I've had a chance to look at the settlements in Slovenia today and the vast majority are a shambles and have been subject of a tagging plastering session because they are unreferenced and have multiple issues. Can we make it a project priority to clean up these pages and expand to an acceptable level, particularly the municipalities of Slovenia -thankyou ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 14:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you add the english translation landmarks to

As you can see I've been pretty busy

♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 21:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alojz Rebula

Thanks for your contributions. Could you please add footnotes for the contents you've contributed (I'm planning to nominate it at the Did You Know project)? Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 11:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

This source says that "in 1960, the authorities again prohibited him from coming to Slovenia because he publicly protested in the Trieste newspapers against the suppression of the publication of Listina (‘The Document’) by Edvard Kocbek. In 1975, he raised a lot of dust together with writer Boris Pahor when they published an interview with Kocbek in which he spoke about the executions in Slovenia after the Second World War, which was considered to be a taboo topic at that time."
The information that you added says: "In 1975, Pahor and Rebula published a book-interview entitled Edvard Kocbek: Pričevalec našega časa ("Edvard Kocbek: the Witness of Our Time"), in which Rebula condemned the summary killings of 12.000 memmbers of Slovene anti-comminist militia in May and June 1945, perpetrated by the Communist authorities. The book created a scandal in Yugoslavia and for five years Rebula was banned from entering Yugoslavia.[1]"
When was he banned? Could you rectify this and add a footnote? Thanks. --Eleassar my talk 13:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The article has been presented on the Main Page. Thanks for your contribution and keep up the good work! --Eleassar my talk 19:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jože Javoršek

Great work. I was thinking about nominating it for a good article. The articles that are well written, sourced and cover the topic exhaustively are fine for this category. Probably you have written some more potential candidates recently, maybe Alojz Rebula? Let me know what you think. --Tone 19:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

And Boris Pahor as well. The only obvious thing that I miss is a very short introduction in these articles. Maybe you could expand them a bit, I suppose you're better at this than I am... Greetings. --Tone 20:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Pučnik is well-written as well. Maybe it would be good to improve reference style a bit, using the {{Citation}} consistently through the article would look very nice though it's extra work. Javoršek intro is fine now, Pahor could still have some more... Have you noticed Rebula's article ni the DYK on the Main page? I've just corrected the tense, he's still alive. --Tone 20:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I have just nominated Cankar and Župančič for GA because they are stylistically the best in my opinion. I suppose we can get both of them to FA with not much extra work but let's see what the GA review says. Cheers. --Tone 22:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Karel Dončec

Zdravo! Ščejo brisati članak Károly Doncsecz. Prosim pomagaj, ne dopüsti tau! Doncsecz

Hvala, Dončec

[edit] Images uploaded to Commons

Hi, could you please provide the exact source, the author information and the year of creation for the images you uploaded to Commons[3] so that PD-old can be verified. Otherwise they'll have to be deleted. --Eleassar my talk 19:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you please translate [[4] this]. Thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vitomil Zupan

Have you really used the sources you have listed in the article?!

  • Andrej Inkret, "Zupan, Vitomil", article in Enciklopedija Slovenije, vol. 15 (Ljubljana: Mladinska knjiga, 2001), 235-236.
  • Vesna Milek, "Pesmi zoper smrt : portret Vitomila Zupana" in Delo, yr. 48, n. 114 (May 20 2006), 26-28.
  • Bernard Nežmah, "Vitomil Zupan, Levitan: ponatis legendarnega dela iz leta 1982" in Mladina (May 13 2002), 81.
  • Alenka Puhar, "Pesmi starega restanta: Zupanovo zbrano zaporniško delo" in Delo., yr. 48, n. 111 (May 17 2006), 15.
  • Marjan Rožanc, Roman o knjigah (Ljubljana: Slovenska matica, 1983).
  • Vlado Žabot, Estetski vidiki v Zupanovem Levitanu (Ljubljana: Univerza v Ljubljani, 1986).

I've removed them from the article. I really doubt they are available to you in the middle of the night in Budapest. There's no point in listing them as sources if they were not actually used. --Eleassar my talk 11:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, Further reading is fine as long as you know the material is of quality and useful. --Eleassar my talk 15:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greater Slovenia

Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Slovenia (2nd nomination). --Eleassar my talk 14:35, 19 April 2008 Hi could you try to expand some of the articles in Category:Slovenian articles needing translation thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Flag of the Province of Ljubljana

It must have existed. And I have the source that it did exist http://www.un.int/slovenia/insignia.html speaks of the flag used during WWII. If this flag shouldn't be used I would use commons:Image:Slovene Nation Flag.svg instead. Your oppinion, please without edit-waring. -- Imbris (talk) 21:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do not state that this Province had no flag, especially without and proof. You ask me to prove that this flag was used. It was used and not just by the Slovene Home Guard it was used in general. If this usage was not de jure it was most certainly been de facto. Your position seems to me like an general disbelief and not as a hard-fact oppinion. -- Imbris (talk) 21:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

You are insisting in deletionist crusade at every point where (by your account) is not sufficient data. It is most clear that this Province had a flag. Slovene Home Guard flag was used earlier as the flag of other Axis-supporters military units. When I have changed the text-caption under the flag you have also deleted it. It is most clear that the province existed under the Italians but also under the Germans. Flag of the Slovene Nation has been used before the WWII and during. -- Imbris (talk) 20:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slovenes

The article lacks description of many important aspects regarding Slovenes (see talk page). If you can find any time to expand it, it will be appreciated. --Eleassar my talk 19:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Miško Kranjec

Živio! Ti ne vejš Miško Kranjec béjo je poraučen in imajo otroki? Doncsecz (talk) 14:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Aha, in ka je ime žena? Doncsecz (talk) 15:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Koper

As I don't speak Italian I'd ask you to verify whether this source used in the article Koper qualifies as a reliable source. It seems suspect to me as it includes the word irredentismo in the url. --Eleassar my talk 08:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I've moved the data to the talk page. Perhaps you could also take a look at Gulf of Piran. I'm neither a lawyer nor a historian but anyway, it seems quite biased to me (written from the Croatian viewpoint). --Eleassar my talk 18:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Euro gold and silver commemorative coins of Slovenia

Hey, thanks for the contributions, I hope you like the article as a good Slovenian you seem to be. This article will be the start of a great one as time passes by, in my personal opinion. Miguel.mateo (talk) 13:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of arms of Socialist Republic of Slovenia

Could you as a historian please look at Socialist Republic of Slovenia, Coat of arms of Slovenia, Republic of Slovenia (1990-1991)‎, History of Slovenia‎, and Coats of arms of the Yugoslav Socialist Republics‎ to ensure that the correct version of the coat of arms of SR Slovenia is displayed? User:R-41 recently changed it ([5], [6], [7], [8], [9]) without any discussion or explanation. I'm not sure which one is correct but assume the former as this is the one I have commonly seen in the past (or at least think I have). There is another version, available in Commons - uploaded by Romanm on 19 July 2007. You may also verify other contributions by this editor. Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 11:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll leave it as is then. --Eleassar my talk 14:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Triglav - symbol of communism?

Sory ,Viator i say Triglav is a mighty symbol of Slovenian people, not a symbol of communisem, with his mighty, the mount represents Slovenians. Also i sad that,the red star above the socialistic coat of arms was a symbol of all communistic countries, i would be very pleased if you corect mistakes that were maded there and insert that article back. Slovenians are many times confused by Slovaks, so any body can see the flag of Slovenians and should know which people that flag represents. Regards--Makedonij (talk) 06:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's what you written, as may be verified in the article's history.[10] --Eleassar my talk 18:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Viator, i agree with your comment on my talk page, you seems like very reasonable person, i just want to contribut to Slovenians articele, like some one from second poit of view, who is not Slovene, but also live among Slovenians, and knows a lott of their heretige, so the article would be more neutral. I know how it is when article is writen by foreingrs, for example Macedonians, where Greek and Bulgarian authors denideing every single macedonian edit, and pushing them to become nerveus so thy could rich the limit and recived blocade or baned from pages like me. I will tray to help improveing articles abot Slovenians, but first i will discuss it with you. Regards --Makedonij (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trdinov vrh

If you have any time, could you have a look at the article? It seems biased. --Eleassar my talk 18:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)