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[edit] VG Kitties

I can't even find any of the VG Kitties comics still hosted on the site. I'm removing the section. In the event they are still hosted, I don't think it deserves a section in the article, because from what I remember it was only a few comics long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.182.39 (talk) 04:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: The comics are still hosted on the site, but they're not linked anywhere in the archives nor do they exist in the "Misc Comics" section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.182.39 (talk) 04:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dead?

Has VG Cats died? The link doesnt work, as if they sold their domain name, and theres no other way to get to them, dead?

Yeah, link won't work for me either. They must have sold the domain or something...


What the heck happened? I think someone may have hacked it, cause I tried registering on their forums, and it said registration was disabled. I hope nothing gets deleted or anything.68.76.157.233 17:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)PMXe54

                   Oh, it's back!
                   
                   Actually, it's back to being the stupid domain name page.

Hmm, VG Cats seems to work for me..... Mack-the-random (talk) 18:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

VG Cats
Link Finally Snaps
The VG Cats strip "Link Finally Snaps" parodies the Legend of Zelda series.
Author(s) Scott Ramsoomair
Website http://www.vgcats.com/
Current status / schedule Updating
Genre(s) Parody

The prototype infobox I put together features VG Cats. What do you think? CyberSkull 08:33, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)

  • I like the info box.--ZeWrestler 12:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Thompson

I believe someone should add something on the argument between VGCats and Jack Thompson.

Nah. Else we'd have to put up something every time PA or anybody else got legal threats (which is, what, weekly?). Nifboy 00:36, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Might be worth mentioning simply for humor value; that, and it might end up as a long-term joke in the community, given that so far two of the big four PA-like comics have already mentioned it.
Already mentioned in the Jack Thompson article. -Drmike 22:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
It should not be mentioned in VG Cats, but rather in Scott Ramsoomair's article. ~ Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 09:05, 2005 August 11 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Is it me..

Or should we try and add some more pictures into this page.

I mean a picture of the main characters would be nice to show. -MGL

nah, good enough as it is. I mean, they only appear in the webcomics, and putting an entire comic into the article? There are avatars, but those wouldn't "fit in". I don't know, maybe someone will do it. EAB 11:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Pics

Should not be included, especially if graphic like that.

For comparison, go to other articles with large fanart sections or even to the page on hentai.

[edit] About that "citation needed" template...

Concerning the sentence, "The majority of this fan art can be found at a forum which has gained recognition for its collection." in the "Fan art" section, the {{fact}} template was added not to dispute the existence of the forum, but the claim it has gained recognition. Do not remove the {{fact}} unless you can provide a source backing up the claim. Please be aware that unless they are very high profile, forum posts and blogs do not meet Wikipedia's standards as sources. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 15:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I trimmed down the 'Characters' section, and removed the 'Fan Art' section. - Kalarchis 01:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

The 'Characters' section was just overflowing with fancruft and speculation, so I trimmed it down again. Also, I removed the section on Major Payne, as I don't think he's important enough to warrant a note. - Kalarchis 06:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Fixed a couple of bits of speculation in the 'Characters' section, Leo and Aeris are named after Scott's cats, as I believe he has said on numerous occasions, and is also stated on the site. Also removed the sentence pertaining to doctor hobo making a reappearance in a heaven-like place, as that was a guest strip and not canon. Oh, and Aeris doesn't live with Leo, as mentioned in 'Start the Reactor'. - ExterminatusNine 15:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I was going to make the 'living together' edit he mentioned above but he beat me to it when I mentioned it to him. I snipped out the first of two mentions that each of Leo and Aeris' bios that they were named after the author's cats. - Raven The Hedgena 12:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture licensing

You guys have some problems with your pictures. First, the one of Link in the infobox is liable to be deleted anytime, as it's "with-permission", a long-since deprecated license. The other pictures don't suffer from that problem, but between you and me, I'd imagine that most people would be deeply skeptical of screenshots from popular webcomics which purport to be public-domain/all-rights-released with no shred of evidence to support that. --maru (talk) contribs 22:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  • The infobox picture is grandfathered, but, yeah, the license on the other images looks bogus to me. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 23:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
The main picture used was uploaded before the policy change went into effect and according to the template is exempt from the deletion, at least that is how I read it. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 17:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] STOP DELETING THIS THEORY DAMMIT

People keep erasing the "there is evidence that aeris may have had a crush on leo in high school". And there IS EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE THEORY. IT'S A THEORY THAT MANY SEE AS TRUE, AND BECAUSE YOU SEE IT AS FALSE DOESN'T MEAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! IT COULD HAVE! LEAVE IT ALONE NOW! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.83.199.177 (talk • contribs) 11:36, September 4, 2006

How about no? Raven The Hedgena 3:32 PM, September 05 2006 (UTC)
look, I'm sorry, I'm a little annoyed. theories are accepted on wikipedia. some theories have their own article. for example, look at the THEORY of evolution. anyway, sorry about my screaming earlier, but I'm mad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.33.176.24 (talk • contribs) 15:14, September 5, 2006
Theories are accepted if they are published in reliable sources. I don't recall anyone worthwhile writing about the possibility of romance in VG Cats. Nifboy 00:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Your use of capital letters has convinced me of your point. What an excellent strategy for online discussions/debates! I'm astonished that more people don't do that......
And even if she did have a crush on him in high school, so what? Those feelings are obviously dead now, and that last thing that anyone wants is for a LeoXAeris relationship to start. Plus, the strip isn't canonical in the least bit, so trying to establish a relationship from one comic to the next is fairly pointless. RPH 01:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
If Ramsoomair says anything about it (forum, interview, drunken ramblings) I'll accept it (and probably add it myself). A crush is only one way of interpreting her blushing at the end of the strip. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree, tis only one one of the waus to interpret it, but it is still a theory. Maybe we could compromise and put it with "however, that is only onoe way to interpert it."

Deal?-lopolo42

"the last thing that anyone wants is for a LeoXAeris relationship to start."

Speak for yourself. There are a surprising amount of people out there who want it to happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.218.197 (talk • contribs) 18:28, October 3, 2006

the theory is (sort of) supported from this strip. the blushing can mean she likes him but again it's all ambiguous. (tyger 20:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC))

Not to mention that it was a one-off strip in a comic that has very little continuity.--Agent Aquamarine 02:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Theories are accepted if they are published in reliable sources. I don't recall anyone worthwhile writing about the possibility of romance in VG Cats. Nifboy
Um...yeah. his name is Sinder and he's pretty community-famous with his erotic story, World 1-1 of Aeris and Leo. Just a note, doesn't affect the argument either way. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 07:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Art Style section needs rewrite

Or possibly delete. It's POV, inappropriately toned and steaming with fan theories and unverifiable information. ~ Oni Lukos ct 23:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it just needs a rewrite, I don't want it deleted, he has a nice art style.--Signor 16:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


G'day, I just tried to clean the Art Style section up as best I could. It's not very good, but I hope it helps. :) Martin Kingsley 14:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 200th Comic

Just a spot but ive noticed that Scott has seemingly skipped the 200th comic. Should this fact be put down or should it be put down as an in-joke?

He's still working on it. I can't verify this, but I d believe he has said it at one point in time. Raven The Hedgena 11:30, 10 October 2006
It's been many months since the last mention, I do believe. But he didn't skip it as a joke, more as a thing he was going to put more work into and...didn't. ~ Oni Lukos ct 23:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
It says "TBA 2009" in the archive.

[edit] Update art

A lot of the pics on this site use Scott's original art style and look nothing like his newer works. Any chance that thepage could be updated with more recent shots? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.174.57 (talk • contribs) 21:22, October 22, 2006

  • I don't see why not. I thought it looked dated myself considering the more recent strips look so drastically different from the beginnings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.162.229 (talk • contribs) 10:45, October 27, 2006
I don't think we really need to replace the graphics we have, given that all Ramsoomair has really done is refine his technique as opposed to his style. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I went and updated Leo and Aeris because their pictures were so old as to be barely recognizable. The others have not changed significantly enough to need an update.Rebochan 01:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Parked

The VGCats homepage is currently parked and/or snapped up by ad people. Maybe we should add this? Is the comic now defunct? 143.195.110.25 15:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks like the domain was hijacked by the registrar, perhaps because it expired and Scott didn't renew it. 71.39.6.137 17:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I had a domain I oversee parked like this once by a registrar whose wonderful customer service kept throwing roadblocks in my way to impede me from switching service to a better registrar. I hope that Scott isn't having to deal with an unscrupulous registrar like I had to (it's not the same one, but the parking page looks very familiar...). I'd say a quick note about a registrar-placed parking page should be enough. It looks like that, by the whois info, that he still has the domain, but I also see it is listed as having an "Expiration date: 20 Dec 2006 20:13:3" --Reverend Loki 18:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it's all moot... the comic page is back, WHOIS shows expiry of 20 Dec 2007 now. --Reverend Loki 20:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

When I whois'd the domain it showed the 2007 expiry, but it was still parked and showing advertisements and such. Maybe they were just taking their merry sweet time giving it back to him. It does indeed appear back now, though. Whew! 71.39.6.137 04:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I see nothing in Firefox at all. BUT, it could be that the DNS server didn't update here yet. Ampersand2006 ( & ) 13:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Payne

How come you haven't put in major payne? Trunksamurai 00:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


He's not a main character is he?--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 01:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

No, none of them are "main" characters. They're just characters Trunksamurai 22:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Major Payne has been in the comic roughly three times, while the ones listed here reoccur more regularly. He used to be on the page, but was removed by User:Kalarchis back in July, probably because of this fact and/or because there is no picture for the character. -- Sarrandúin [ Talk + Contribs ] 21:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a picture right here http://www.vgcats.com/new/cast.gif Trunksamurai 16:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section?

Since there is a decent amount of criticism over, for instance, the unnecessary (IMO) number of panels and referencing outdated games, I was curious if anyone was interested in developing such a section. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't heard such criticism. Would this be from people on the forums or would this be in the main gaming press? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, it'd be pretty strange for main gaming press to comment on it. It is on forums, and there's been a tradition of modifying the comics to "see if they can make it funny" or if they can shorten it. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were smaller gaming media web sites commenting on it or other web comics. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
And no, I am not suggesting we make a section right away - I want to find good sources to create such an article. Forum hatred just legitimizes researching more reliable hatred. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The gaming press has commented on the strip, but none of them has run a critique (or even a review as far as I know). They will most likely do so when the book comes out. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Theres no signifigant critisism outside forums and chat circles, most of them by fanboys of other comics, or trolls. vgcatssucks182 isnt exactly a good source, now is he? I dont see any problem with there being to many panels or referencing old games.~sdhonda

A web comic should be topical. For instance, there was a comic of EBA several months after its release - VG Cats, from my experience, rarely releases a comic about a game around its release. Also, I do not see why you would not have a problem with "too" many panels - "too" many panels means that it's not good. If it was good, it'd be "the just right amount of" panels. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Scott probably can't get his hands on the new games as soon as the mags. That'd explain everything.

- Here's[1] some criticism of VGCats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.161.86 (talk) 03:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potatamoto?

Should Potatamoto (joke on Miyamoto) be in the minor characters section? He's been in a good 3-4 comics right? He's been in the comic as much as Payne has, and he's in the minor characters section. 82.198.28.230 11:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)Some Noob

[edit] Sadist

Should the "sadist" link in Aeris's bio link to the S&M page? Surely that should link to Sadistic personality disorder instead. --71.88.48.116 15:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Ya that's a better idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.80.71 (talk)

[edit] Citation needed!

I need a citation as to whether Aeris is a love interest for Leo. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gp75motorsports (talk • contribs)

No. - ∅ (∅), 17:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Whew. Thanks. I put that up there seeing as Aeris and Leo almost always appear together.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Leo vgcats.jpg

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BetacommandBot 12:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] furry?

Why is this under furry? The artist has expressed on numerous occassions that when he created the comic, he didn't know what furries were and that now he hates furs. So, unless there's something in here about his dislike of the furry community trying to coopt his comic, I think it should be dropped altogether 209.136.161.135 (talk) 22:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree why is this in wikiproject furry? It doesn't belong there. --67.160.118.193 (talk) 19:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Thirded, I've never been insulted by Wikipedia before, and now it just goes ahead and slaps me with that slur? Your words cut me, Wikigods. 70.71.69.224 (talk) 06:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Citation for the author's comment about his comic being regarded as furry: http://www.vgcats.com/faq/index.php#furry Zell65 (talk) 07:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Trim the fancruft"

So the article says "Trim the fancruft" - Any hints on what that would be? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

That would be your typical Wikipedian elitism. They basically mean that since they don't care about the fans of the comic, no one else should have any indication about its fanbase. 70.71.69.224 (talk) 06:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merchandising section

[2] How are primary sources not acceptable for this? I'm not saying secondary sources shouldn't be found - but there are times when it is okay to use primary sources. What does it mean to not need a merchandising section when The Simpsons et al can have merchandising documented? I don't see a problem with explaining the history of VGCats merchandise and how the suppliers changed. Also labeling the links as "spam" is too much - those links are meant to be sources and evidence. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

  • (1) Merchandising is completely unnecessary, it's not of any importance, merchandising is a normal and expected part of anything in popular culture. (2) Drawing a section entirely from primary sources is original research, if it's not discussed in reliable secondary sources then it's obviously not that important. (3) The links to the merchandising sites are spam. Apart form that, and the fact that it's trivial, no other problems that spring immediately to mind. Guy (Help!) 20:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
    • According to the Wikipedia:No original research#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources policy it is acceptable to use primary resources IF:
      • "only make descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source, the accuracy and applicability of which is easily verifiable by any reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge, and"
      • "make no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about the information found in the primary source."
    • If you have only primary resources and both of these conditions are met, it is not original research.
    • Whether something is "Spam" or not "Spam" has to do with intentions. Wikipedia:Spam generally describes spam as a method of trying to promote a product.
    • Regarding merchandise, it is true that many fictional series have merchandising. Since I was using the links as a source, wouldn't this apply:
      • "If you have a source to contribute, first contribute some facts that you learned from that source, then cite the source. Don't simply direct readers to another site for the useful facts; add useful facts to the article, then cite the site where you found them. You're here to improve Wikipedia—not just to funnel readers off Wikipedia and onto some other site, right? (If not, see #1 above.)"
    • WhisperToMe (talk) 21:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)