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[edit] Modifications

Please do not modify the template without discussing any changes here first. The original version was created by — Frecklefoot | Talk based on a design by K1Bond007. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:08, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

List of changes made and why:
Updated Navbox to Template:Navbox, less code and more versatile.
Removed custom coloring and styling at the recommendation of the Navbox docs and common sense. This template is featured on pages with other standard Navboxen and sticks out against them when browsing, standardizing the template for the purpose of meshing the styles and making it look cleaner to readers. Standardizing template also makes it easier to edit the template for people without knowledge of complex wiki code.
You having created the template is not grounds to revert positive edits made to improve the quality of the template and the pages it resides on. Click What links here on this template and look at the very first page listed. If those Navboxen can exist in that state so can this one, looks nicer to boot. Wikipedia is not a personal website, your box looked good and clean for what it was. But that's no reason to keep it from getting edited and improved to look better as a navigational tool for an encyclopedic website against other navigational tools of the like. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't see these as positive edits. This has nothing to do with being a personal website or not, nor does it have anything to do with POV [1]. You believe it to be an improvement, we disagree. -- Ned Scott 02:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Levels?

I just noticed that I missed level design and level designer. Should they be added or left out? I'm just concerned that they'll unbalance the template. Thoughts? — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:37, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd say leave them off the template but make sure they're referenced in the game design and game designer articles respectively. Great job on the template and thanks for putting it on the articles! Goes a long way to "unify" things. :) -- Sitearm | Talk 21:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, User:Sitearm. By the way, this is what the template would look like with the two additional entries:

The Video Game Industry series
Activities Jobs Types of video games Companies
Game design
Game development
Game programming
Level design		 Game producer
Game designer
Game programmer
Game artist
Game tester
Level designer		 Arcade game
Computer game
Console game
Handheld game
Video game		 Video game developer
Video game publisher
List of developers
List of video games

It doesn't look too bad. Any more input? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:00, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Over the weekend, I expanded and copyedited the Level design article quite a bit, in case that weighs in the decision. I think that level design is important, because it's a big part of game modding, and as such, is one of the areas that experienced gamers (individuals) are most likely to have some knowledge/experience/interest in (the other modding activity being "programming", which is already included). Personally, I vote for including only Level design but not Level designer, so as not to expand the template, but I'm probably a little biased at this point. --Interiot 19:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, so one against both and one in favor of just level design. The template looks better with just "level designer" and not level designer:

The Video Game Industry series
Activities Jobs Types of video games Companies
Game design
Game development
Game programming
Level design		 Game producer
Game designer
Game programmer
Game artist
Game tester		 Arcade game
Computer game
Console game
Handheld game
Video game		 Video game developer
Video game publisher
List of developers
List of video games

...but we might tick off some level designers out there (personally, I don't know any, even though I've been in the industry for 10+ years). Any more votes? If I don't get any more, I'll just add "level design". — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Game director?

I don't think this entry merits mention in the template. As the article itself mentions, it is a little-used title and normally only used for games made in Japan. I've been in the industry for 14 years and have never heard of a game director. I think the title could be linked as a See also from game producer or game designer instead. Thoughts? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indie games

An anonymous user added Indie games to the template, under "Types of video games" (plus they screwed up the template in the process). I don't dispute that indie games are a type of video game, but they aren't the same type that are already in the list. The ones in the list are platform types, not developer types. I don't think it belongs in the template at all. Just my $.02 in case someone gets upset by my removal of it. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I sorta think it belongs in the template somewhere. I also think advergame, educational game and militainment (all examples of serious games) might have a place in the template, as well.SharkD 15:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Those can't be added without significantly changing the entire layout of the template. Advergames and all the other serious game types you mention aren't included in the template because they don't fit any of the categories. It sounds like you need to create a new template, something like a "game type" template or "serious game type" template. They don't belong in this one, which deals with the video game industry as a whole, not niches or specific types of video games. Just my $.02 cents again... so make that $.04. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 16:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template modification

Okay, AeronPrometheus modified this template with the comment "Corrected code, brought navbox up to standards, other wiki stuff." What he actually did, however, was totally re-write it. There was nothing wrong with the template the way it was. The only problem it had, I assume, is that he didn't like it. Ned Scott came along and reverted AeronPrometheus's change. AeronPrometheus came back, and reverted it back to his version and called Ned Scott's change a Bad Faith undo, when it was just the opposite. Now I don't want to start a fight here, so let's discuss any change here first before we start name calling and hair pulling. I've reverted it to the original version for now. Please don't change it again without discussing first. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 19:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Distribution and retailing

There is no mention of the manufacture, distribution and sale of games made in this template. This needs fixing - things like used game sales and digital distribution are huge issues! --Tom Edwards (talk) 07:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

How do you propose we add them? Give specifics. Discuss here before adding, thanks. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)