Talk:VF-1 Valkyrie

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[edit] Nose Lasers

The article as it stands references the nose lasers, which have been taken as canon by fans due to an animation error and listing in the the Robotech RPG. Even if it was an animation error, it can not necessarily be simply dismissed as a mistake. The identity of these points as infrared sensors is from purely supplemental material, and never mentioned in the context of the show itself. Secondly, these "nose lasers" appeared in more than one episode, and with several firings in each. Just off the top of my head, they are seen very clearly in episodes 22 and 25 of the Macross portion of the series. Given that this is what is seen on screen, and more than once, most sources would consider this material as canon, and not the schematics done up, but never used in the series, by the production staff.24.69.167.159 03:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Quite simply, the series creator and mechanical designer, in this case Shoji Kawamori, has the final say in what's canon and what's not. If he says they're not nose lasers, then they're not nose lasers. And as most supplemental material that refers to them as infrared sensors were written by Kawamori, then that means they're infrared sensors. Simple as that. No ifs, ands, or buts. As much as it bugs some fans, fan opinion is NOT canon. -Bolt Crank 03:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strongly realistic design? Greatest mecha design?

My question is, who said this? I've never heard such a thing until now. ... And 'strongly realistic' how? Its impossible like all other mecha are currently.

Most who claim the VF-1 to be "strongly realistic" do not claim this based on modern technology, or even technology we may have i nthe future. They claim this based on its design simplicity. Basically if you DID have the technology to make a transformable airframe, they feel the VF-1 is the most realistic design on account of its simplicity. Personally my own analysis of Macross mecha leads me to the dissenting opinion that the VF-11 is more realistic than the VF-1, but my reasonings for it are not suitable for posting on this page, I feel. I simply felt it worthwhile to explain the reasoning behind the "realistic" claim. I still don't get the greatest mecha ever bit, though. IMO, the best mecha are the ones that actually seem strategically plausible should technology to build them ever arise. Things such at the battlemechs of Battletech/Mechwarrior or the E-Frames of Exo-Squad. -Bolt Crank 02:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shall we mention the VF from Macross II?

Seeing that both successor from Macross and Robotech got mentioned, should a successor VF from alternate timeline of Macross II like VF-2SS Valkyrie II put there as well? Also, I remember three variants of Valkyrie from Macross 2036 computer game which put in same timeline of Macross II. Should we add them here as well?L-Zwei 18:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The successors mentioned from Macross and Robotech are from official canon in the respective versions of the storyline. With Macross II being an unofficial alternate universe, I feel the VF-2SS has no place being mentioned here. As much as I like its design. -Bolt Crank 03:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jetfire

I notice the Jetfire info has been removed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there was ever an official Robotech-branded non-SD transforming Veritech Fighter released in the U.S., just the non-transforming one. This was undoubtedly due to Jetfire coming out through Hasbro first. Obviously Japan received many, many transforming models/toys first, of which the Takatoku/Bandai VF-1S was used for Jetfire. Should this be mentioned or not, considering many people outside of Japan would have likely been first introduced to a transforming Valkyrie by Jetfire?

I don't think it'd be preferable to keep a Jetfire-only section of the article here, despite the original toy being a repainted VF-1S. But if you included information on ALL of the US-released transformable VF-1s, including the Masterpieces and more recent 1/100 scale Valkyries(the best VF-1 toys I've ever seen short of the Yamato 1/48s) released by Toynami(and yes, the 1/100s ARE Macross-branded, not Robotech-branded), with a mention of Jetfire, there's no reason it shouldn't be allowed to stay. -Bolt Crank 03:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox too large

Best to move some of that material into the main body of the article. KyuuA4 (talk) 04:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)