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This page contains all previously nominated sets nominated for 0.5. When the list grows too big, archive it.

Contents 1 Nominations 1.1 Test nomination (aka Team Sports) 1.2 Continents 1.3 European countries 1.3.1 Footnotes 1.3.2 Discussion 1.4 Chemical elements 1.5 Rivers 1.6 Centuries 1.7 Lakes and seas 1.7.1 Other possibilities 1.7.1.1 Reservoirs 1.7.1.2 Rejected

[edit] Nominations

[edit] Continents

These are all classed as Core Topics, so a decent B is all we need even for a standalone.

• (Africa B-Class, already included in V0.5)
• (Antarctica FA, already included)
• Asia B-Class
• (Australia, an FA, is sometimes classed as a continent, but it's already included anyway)
• Europe B-Class
• North America B-Class
• Oceania B-Class
• South America B-Class

We may also want to debate including the parent, Continent. This is also listed as a Core Topic, but it is only Start-Class and is tagged for cleanup at the moment. Walkerma 05:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC) I still need to tag some of the talk pages, I'll do this tomorrow when I return, but we can start discussing these now. Sorry about that! Walkerma 13:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• A fairly obvious support. Nifboy 15:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
• Well, these are all "duh" supports. There's no way a complete encyclopedia could lack any of these. Titoxd^(?!?) 00:20, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
• support These would need to go through even if noone supported it just because these articles are nessasarry in an encyclopedia.Canadianshoper 18:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• OK, I'll treat that as a resounding "Yes" and pass them. Walkerma 03:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] European countries

List of European countries Looks complete to me

•  Åland Islands ^[1] Good B, just needs refs
•  Albania Good B, weak on refs
•  Andorra mediocre B, no refs
•  Austria May be A, but linking in refs from daughter pages may be hard
•  Belarus Looks A to me, former FAC
•  Belgium FA, already in V0.5
•  Bosnia and Herzegovina Looks A to me
•  Bulgaria Good B, former FAC
•  Croatia Decent B
•  Czech Republic Poor B
•  Denmark GA, Looks A to me
•  Estonia Decent B, lacks climate section
•  Faroe Islands ^[2] Good B, only lacks refs
•  Finland Good B, needs proper refs section, former FAC
•  France GA, already in V0.5
•  Germany Failed FAC, needs refs, otherwise very good, Walkerma 05:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
•  Gibraltar ^[3] Needs more refs, otherwise good, Walkerma 05:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
•  Greece Good B, though sections sizes rather unbalanced in places
•  Guernsey ^[4] Good except no refs, Walkerma 05:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
•  Hungary B, needs refs.
•  Iceland B, already in V0.5
•  Ireland Looks A to me
•  Isle of Man ^[4] B
•  Italy B, needs some work
• Jan Mayen ^[5] B, population of only 14, but a Ukrainian FA on this!
•  Jersey ^[4] Good B, but needs refs
•  Latvia B, needs some rewriting, POV dispute
•  Liechtenstein Good B
•  Lithuania B, needs some rewriting, culture
•  Luxembourg Good B, expansion tag on culture.
•  Republic of Macedonia Good B, just needs refs
•  Malta Looks like possible A
•  Moldova Good B
•  Monaco Decent B
•  Montenegro B, perhaps needs some balancing
•  Netherlands Good B, just needs more refs
•  Norway B
•  Poland B, needs more refs, better culture section
•  Portugal Failed FAC, looks A to me
•  Romania B, history section too long
•  Russia B but close to A
•  San Marino Poor B
•  Serbia Poor B
•  Slovakia Decent B, needs more on culture, some rewriting
•  Slovenia Basic B, needs work incl. copyediting
•  Spain B - way too long, needs a good rewrite, few refs
• Svalbard ^[5] Close to A, just needs more refs
•  Sweden A, GA, already included in V0.5
•  Switzerland Looks A to me.
•  Ukraine Good B, needs culture section
•  United Kingdom A, GA
•  Vatican City B - well organised but the only ref is for a petrol station!

[edit] Footnotes

[edit] Discussion

The ones in italics could be omitted if we wish, though some such as Gibraltar can be small but important. Walkerma 01:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

We should have them in there; Gibraltar has been fought over in the past by Spain and the UK and the others, it would not hurt. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I have been trying to add more refs to the Gibraltar pages, but much of my effort is taken up with arguments from those who want it rewritten in Spanish Otherwise its a good overview, largely factual and by far better than encarta etc. --Gibnews

My only immediate concern is Åland, which has redlinks for subarticles. I haven't given a real hard look at the entire list, but these are vital enough that any spectacular quality concerns should be fixed prior to release rather than the topics removed. Nifboy 05:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

All sub articles, except for a few are red links and important government officials article's are also redlinks, so this is a major concern. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Assuming we use User:BozMo's script as used for the SOS CD, all redlinks are stripped out. I doubt we would be including the sub-articles for countries anyway (except for a few major countries), so the fact that things like Economy of Åland are missing is unimportant. Most of the usable links are just to other countries, if we pass this (or most of it) as a set. I think the script can even take out the {{main}} template, so just consider the article as a standalone without the sub-articles. Thanks, Walkerma 07:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.5_Country_Review for some comments.

If there are no objections by Sunday I will pass all of these, since they all seem to meet the quality requirements for countries (B or above). Walkerma 04:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

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After negotiotions in Wiena about future status of Kosovo and Metohia, we should concider puting this Serbian province on the list. --Pockey 13:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very useful! It can be hard to keep up with these things! I will add it to the general nominations section, where it can probably stand on its own merits. I hesitate to add it here because it's not YET a country and I don't want to get drawn into a heated debate! If the status changes in the coming weeks we will be sure to change our placing of the article. Thanks a lot, Walkerma 14:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

No more comments, so the full set was passed as listed above. Kosovo, England, Wales and Scotland were submitted as individual nominations at WP:V0.5N. Walkerma 05:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chemical elements

Based on responses to my earlier query (see below) I am nominating all of the chemical elements that have been discovered so far (no undiscovered ones!). I do not propose to tag all 115 or so elements, I only tagged hydrogen (#1). Can you please just take a look at Periodic table (standard) for the list.

Earlier comments (copied from Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.5_Nominations#Chemical_elements

I see some elements appearing in 0.5, and this prompts me to ask a question I've wondered for many months - what should we include? As a chemist myself, I'm pretty familiar with the element articles, and most of them are at least B-Class. It seems to me that we should definitely have elements like iron and oxygen, but beyond that it's debatable. So let's debate it, then I'll put together a set nomination. Which should we go for? I think I favour option 2 or 3, though of course I'd most like 4!

Option 1

Only the most familiar 20 or so elements like copper and hydrogen.

Option 2

All of the main group elements up to barium, plus lead and the commoner transition metals like gold and platinum, about 50 in all.

Option 3

All of the main group elements up to barium and all d-block transition metals up to mercury, also include radon, radium, thorium, uranium and plutonium from the radioactives. Omit the lanthanides, except for lanthanum, cerium and samarium (note - much of my research uses elements like dysprosium!). Around 80 in all.

Option 4

Just include the whole lot of them (those that have been discovered) around 114 of them.

Walkerma 07:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

See Periodic table (standard). The main group is groups 1, 2, then 13-end. Walkerma 07:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The short answer is that I would not object to including all of them.

The longer answer -- None of them are trivia. Including all might make us heavy in chemistry, but at least we'd be heavy in an important area, in my view. The elements are close to the top of the tree. They are a finite set and a reasonable number. If you are confident of their quality, then I think they should all be included. Maurreen 08:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, since this has been started here, if we get a clear consensus, any which way, we could maybe skip the set nomination stage. Maurreen 08:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Maurreen +1! I think if we include all europian countries, all planets, then we should include all of the elements. Of course, if there is no stub among them. NCurse _work 09:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

New comments

• Include all. There's really no reason why not to do so. Titoxd^(?!?) 07:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
  • What he said. No compelling reason not to include all of 'em. The complete set > the sum of its individual articles. Nifboy 17:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rivers

Places are rank very high for Version 0.5, but these include more than just countries and cities. Rivers often have important significance in culture, the economy and the development of civilizations.

This set was taken from List of rivers by length, I chose the list, the longest 10, and a few other important ones, esp. decent articles from underrepresented areas. I excluded the Ob river, because (a) it's in Siberia and (b) it's only a Start and (c) much of the great length is shared with the Irtysh. I also omitted #10, the Lena River as being low importance. We already have Zambezi, an FA.

• List of rivers by length Nice (A?), failed FAC.
• Nile Good B, just lacks refs
• Amazon River Good B, just lacks refs
• Yangtze River B, could use more geography
• Mississippi River Good B, close to A
• Yenisei B? (Good geography, little else)
• Yellow River (Huang He) Start
• Amur Start
• Congo River Start

Not top 10 length

• Mekong B (#12) Important in SE Asia
• Murray River Good B, majority of #15, biggest in Oz.
• Volga River B, #16, national river of Russia, longest in Europe
• Euphrates Poor B, #17, cradle of civilization
• Ganges River B, only #39, but regarded as a Hindu goddess, and 8.5% of the world's population live in its catchment area.

Other possibilities that have decent articles (not tagged till I see comments)

• Indus River #21, B, major in south Asia
• Danube #29, B, 2nd longest in Europe

Nominated by Walkerma 07:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Later proposed additions (see comments below)

• Murray River Similar importance and quality to Darling River
• Jordan River Religious & other importance
• Tigris Start, got 2 separate nominations. Sister to Euphrates, importance as cradle of civ
• Rhine #111, B, vital historical river, traditional border between France & Germany
• Mackenzie River Start, 2nd longest in N. America, but in sparsely populated area
• Niger River Good Start, #12 in world, the major river in W. Africa
• Columbia River B, Major US/Canadian river
• Colorado River Poor B, Major US river, with Hoover Dam
• Missouri River Poor B, major US river paired with Mississippi River
• River Thames Good B, important as the river at the heart of London

Comments

Added in from V0.5N talk, after Kirill had posted:

Rivers: – good list! I agree on including the Indus and the Danube.

Proposed additions:

• I think including the Darling River calls for including also the Murray River - similar importance, length.
• Similarly, Euphrates --> Tigris.
• Perhaps also the Jordan River for its religious importance and as part of the Great Rift Valley.

The current Murray article is similar in quality to the Darling; the current Tigris and Jordan river articles are of poor B quality. RickJP 10:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with these additions, particularly the Jordan River. Perhaps the Colorado River and Columbia River also merit inclusion? --Lethargy 14:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Newer comments:

All good ideas. I would also include a few shorter rivers:

• Tigris #63, Start, the other half of the "cradle of civilization"
• Rhine #111, B, vital historical river, traditional border between France & Germany

Kirill Lokshin 19:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a good list including the suggestions, I'd definitely include the Indus, Danube, and Rhine. Rivers that are commonly paired together it would be nice to include both pairs (Euphrates-Tigris, Darling-Murray, Mississippi-Missouri). Also nice would be Mackenzie, Niger, and Jordan - though their articles aren't as good as most of the rivers in this list. I think the Columbia and/or Thames could be included on account of having decent articles. Kmusser 16:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I put all the new proposals up above. Bearing in mind that the clear consensus is towards inclusion rather exclusion, I would support adding all of the above except the Mackenzie (long if you include the Peace River, but only a Start and very remote like the Siberian rivers. When I put the list together I tried to avoid Starts, that's why I didn't originally propose Niger, Tigris, Mackenzie and others. It would be nice to see if we can get all of these up to B-Class minimum before Version 1.0 comes out. Walkerma 16:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Centuries

• 1st century BC
• 1st century
• 2nd century
• 3rd century
• 4th century
• 5th century
• 6th century
• 7th century
• 8th century
• 9th century
• 10th century
• 11th century
• 12th century
• 13th century
• 14th century
• 15th century
• 16th century
• 17th century
• 18th century
• 19th century
• 20th century
• 21st century
• Prehistoric man
• Ancient history
• Middle Ages
• Modern history

Century articles tell what happened in a century, so people probably would want to read them. They are all lists. Eyu100 17:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems lopsided to have these and not earlier stuff. Maybe instead either milleniums or

• Prehistoric man,
• Ancient history,
• Middle Ages, and
• Modern history.

Maurreen 16:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I like these, but can also see Maurreen's point. Could we have broader eras up to/including the 9th century, then every century after that? I think these century lists are pretty nice timelines. By all means add in the others too - aren't some of the Core topics along these lines? Walkerma 05:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I am adding everything up to 100 BC and adding all the articles Maureen suggested. Eyu100 18:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

If these have been added, why don't they appear at Wikipedia:Version 0.5? Maurreen 18:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that we should include all listed here. NCurse _work 15:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I support including all of these. They don't appear in V0.5 yet because "adding" referred to the above listing only, I presume they'll be added if the consensus supports that. Walkerma 15:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I have tagged all the century articles. I'll finish adding the rest tomorrow. Walkerma 04:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lakes and seas

For geographical items we have now nominated continents, countries, world cities, oceans and rivers. The only missing part of the "water" based section would seem to be lakes and seas - hence this nomination. I also added a few important shipping lanes & canals. As with rivers, this list limited just to really major ones.

• List of lakes

Africa

• Lake Tanganyika Start. 2nd largest in world by volume, 2nd deepest.
• Lake Victoria Mediocre B. Largest lake in Africa by area.

Asia

• Aral Sea Start - only really covers the ecological disaster
• Caspian Sea Mediocre B.
• Dead Sea Very nice B, close to A.
• Sea of Galilee Weak B. Historically important
• Lake Baikal Mediocre B, biggest lake in the world by volume.

Europe

• None listed - unless Lake Geneva, Lake Balaton or

North America

• Great Lakes Nice article (Good B, just lacks refs), covers all the major N. American lakes
• Great Salt Lake GA, largest salt lake in West, location for Salt Lake City.

South America

• Lake Titicaca Start, close to B. Largest lake in South America.

(Lake Maracaibo would have been included, but the article is just too poor at present).

Possibles:

• Lake Toba: Start. Formed from volcanic eruptions, last eruption 70,000 years ago was probably the largest in the world in the last 2 million years.
• Issyk Kul: Start, 2nd largest mountain lake in the world (after Titicaca). (+ a favourite of mine!)
• Lake Tahoe: Looks A-Class, small lake but major tourist site in US (hence this SUV name!).

Seas

Many large seas have only Start-class articles, and only the really major ones are included here.

• Sea includes a complete list of seas.
• South China Sea Decent B.
• Baltic Sea Very nice B.
• Black Sea B-Class, ALREADY in V0.5.
• Persian Gulf Start, protected.
• Red Sea B.
• Bay of Bengal Very short Start, but usable, important location for Indian geography. I added {{expand}}
• Caribbean Sea Nice B. Large sea, important culture.
• North Sea Only Start, but important sea in Europe. I tagged it for expansion.
• Mediterranean Sea B.
• Gulf of Mexico Start

Important shipping lanes/canals

• Strait of Malacca Poor B. Carries 20-25% of world sea trade
• Suez Canal B
• (Panama Canal FA is already included)
• English Channel B, article says busiest seaway in the world
• Saint Lawrence Seaway Mediocre B. Vast series, connect Great Lakes to the ocean
• Erie Canal Possible A, very nice piece on this historically important canal - it opened up the Midwest.
• Grand Canal of China B. Ancient engineering marvel, about 1000 miles long, passes through Beijing.

Along with the rivers, I think that covers most of the bodies of water we need for V0.5! Walkerma 04:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I like it; although I don't have a real good geographic/historic background, it looks like a good set to complete the superset of watery articles. Nifboy 17:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I nominated Caspian Sea at the Article Creation and Improvement Drive. Hopefully they will help clean it up. --Lethargy 18:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with these, although I feel we should include a few more. Some possibilities (in no particular order):

[edit] Other possibilities

• List of world's largest lakes
• Lake Vostok - a subglacial lake, the largest in Antarctica.
• Lake Superior - North America's largest, largest freshwater by area, and second largest on earth.
• Lake Chad - "economically very important, providing water to more than 20 million people living in the four countries which surround it — Chad, Cameroon, Niger and Nigeria."
• Hudson Bay - a massive bay in Canada.

[edit] Reservoirs

There are also several reservoirs we could include, off the top of my head:

• Lake Powell and Lake Mead - both on the Colorado River.
• If there is a name for the reservoir behind Three Gorges Dam, that would be a likely candidate.

--Lethargy 14:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rejected

These are too early in development to be considered.

• Lake Nicaragua - largest in Central America, 20th in the world.
• Great Bear Lake - eighth largest on Earth.
• Great Slave Lake - deepest in North America, tenth largest in the world.
• Pyramid Lake - a large salt lake in Nevada.
• Lake Bonneville - prehistoric lake that covered much of Utah and small parts of Nevada and Idaho.
• Lake Lahontan - prehistoric lake in western Nevada, covered small portions of California and Oregon.
• Glacial Lake Missoula - another prehistoric lake, this one in Montana.
• Lake Ladoga - largest in Europe
• Lake Eyre - largest in Australia
• Lake Balkhash - "second largest in Central Asia after the Aral Sea." Fourteenth largest overall, third largest salt lake.

The list of largest lakes is great, but the other lakes will have to be reviewed carefully - many of them are just Start-Class. When I put together the original list, I tried to limit the number of Start-Class articles - there are only three on the main list, all REALLY important (Aral Sea, Titicaca and Tanganyika). I reviewed and rejected several on your list such as Lake Balkhash (even though I've seen it and am partial to it!) for this reason. Another factor is importance - either proximity to human settlement/tourism, or geological/geographical - that's why Lake Geneva (2nd biggest FW lake in Europe) might be considered more important than Great Slave Lake, despite its smaller size. The Great Lakes need to be discussed - I think the joint article is a nice one and covers them well, but if everyone wants the individual ones too (though often only Starts) we could go that route. I think Lake Ladoga and Hudson Bay look usable, and Lake Chad may be important enough to include as a Start, but what do others think? I think we should definitely consider adding Three Gorges Dam and probably Hoover Dam too so we don't miss these. As for the reservoirs, Lake Mead is important but only Start-Class, but Lake Powell is a B - I could go either way on those two. Walkerma 16:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of including the largest lake from each continent, that is why I put Lake Superior on the list. But yes, we need to discuss this further, perhaps we should see if we can get anyone else from Wikipedia:WikiProject Lakes to chime in? --Lethargy 17:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

All those I have moved to the rejected section are too short, too messy, or not important enough to be included. I added this section so people can see what has already been proposed. --Lethargy 00:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your work on this, and for being so understanding too. I'm not an expert on this topic, so your expertise is extremely welcome. I also appreciate your posting on WP:Lakes. Hopefully by the next version we can include everything above! Thanks, Walkerma 03:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I tagged all of the ones that were not on the rejected list, except for Lakes Geneva & Balaton which need a bit more work. Hopefully we'll get them next time around. Canals were placed under the continents with the rivers, the others were placed (also by continent where appropriate) in the bodies of water section Walkerma 03:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

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