Talk:Veronica Mars

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:VeronicaMarsSoundtrack.jpg

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BetacommandBot 05:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:VeronicaMarsSeason3DVD.jpg

Image:VeronicaMarsSeason3DVD.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 01:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page Archived

I just archived everything up to the fair use messages onto /Archive 2 Peachey88 08:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soundtrack

Is there going to be another soundtrack for season 3 since there was one for seasons 1 and 2?? Peachey88 08:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character

Could someone please add a character page on Veronica Mars as there is no point in the characters being listed here, and also so there aren't spoilers in the means of characters (Wikirocks2 10:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] "Was a" vs. "is" in the lead-in

As opposed to opening ground for an edit war -

The show is cancelled. It's been publicly mentioned as having been so. Referring to it in the present tense as if it were a show that were actually being brought back into production seems unrealistic.

A reasoning I bring up behind changing "is" to "was a" is shown with a program on the same network that has also seen recent cancellation - Gilmore Girls. The lead-in paragraph refers to it in the past tense. So, to User: Rvb strongbad or anyone else, what's the reasoning behind reverting the wording? --TheMonkofDestiny 02:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It's the same thing as with, say, a movie. What happens if it's only available on DVD - not showed on TV or the cinema or whatever else. Would you still say was? ("Star Wars IV was a movie...") No, because there are copies available on distributed mediums you still use 'is'. The same is true for TV Shows, even after they've been cancelled, short of every copy of it in existence being destroyed: because copies of it still exist, it still 'is'. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 04:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character list

Instead of having such a big list shouldn't we just have the main characters on the main articles and the rest on a separate page/article (eg: List of Veronica Mars Characters) Peachey88 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 07:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Please, please, please!!! Be my guest! I think this page really needs that and is overcrowded! I would do it, but I don't know how.... :( (Wikirocks2 17:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Reception and awards

I have remerged the content at Veronica Mars reception and awards which was the subject of an uncontested prod. This material is probably better pruned and kept in the main series page, rather than hiving off into a separate article which does not stand alone well. Espresso Addict 08:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Idea for navigation template

my idea/suggestion to make it easier to read but its a tad complex atm.

Main article: Template_talk:Vmarsnav#Listed_Characters

Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 09:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] geography

Has the county containing Neptune ever been named? —Tamfang 23:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Balboa County Which is also fictional

[edit] I think someone copied this page for a TV wikia page

http://tv.wikia.com/wiki/Veronica_Mars.

One of my friends spotted it. I don't know if you can do anything about it. But isn't that plagiarizing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.137.237 (talk) 07:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

No, because of the license that Wikipedia (and all wikimedia projects) is released under. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 10:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok I was just wondewring thats all

[edit] Past-tense, or present-tense

  • The first sentence starts with "Veronica Mars is a critically acclaimed..."
  • The third sentence starts with "The show starred Kristen Bell..."

Either the show is still running, and it should all be present tense, or it is no longer running and it should be past tense. A well formed article can't mix up tenses in the first three sentences like that. Considering the show has completed it's run, it's appropriate to say that it "...was a critically acclaimed..." Themindset (talk) 03:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It should all be past present tense. This has been covered before and the consensus was since copies of the show still exist, on DVD and so on, the show therefore exists, therefore it still is. See just up the page, here for several links to community consensus on this. Agreed it should all be changed, though, yes, but it should definitely be present tense. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 06:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Edit: I'm a numpty, I meant present tense. Whoops... AllynJ (talk | contribs) 15:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
It shouldn't just be past tense because it isn't getting recorded anymore, please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Archive_4#Was_vs._Is. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 07:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
My apologies for not checking consensus (didn't know where to find the discussions). Themindset (talk) 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
It was inculded in the previous discussion on this page which hasn't been archived yet. Talk:Veronica_Mars#.22Was_a.22_vs._.22is.22_in_the_lead-in. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 08:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awards

I made tables for the awards, but I don't know how to make them all the same size. Could someone please fix them? Thanks. * ₩іκіRocкs/Love$ounds ♥ talκ 07:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I just cleaned it up a bit. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 10:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA quick-fail

Thank you for nominating this article for Good article status. Unfortunately, it meets the quick fail criteria because of the three cleanup banners and the {{fact}} tags throughout the text. Other issues which would hold this article back from GA status is that much of it is unreferenced (the first few seasons in the Plot summary, for example), it has stub-sections of fewer than five lines long (Cancellation, Future possibilities) and contains lists which need to be converted into prose (see WP:PROSELINE for guidance). The critical reception section in particular needs a complete rewrite. Best of luck with improving the article and please feel free to renominate it once you have addressed the issues and feel it meets the Good article criteria. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer on my talkpage. Regards, скоморохъ 13:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neptune Noir

Why is there no mention of the book Neptune Noir on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.137.237 (talk) 02:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Because you havn't put it there yet. I havn't read the book, was it good? - Schrandit (talk) 03:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fandom conventions

Could someone add something to the sections on Cruise to Mars and Breakout Beyond to demonstrate their relevance to Veronica Mars the television show? They look like nothing more than advertisements. Townlake (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Campaigns

I have a message saying my information entered may be deleted because I may no be able to use the references I have listed. The message tells me to come and discuss it here If I believe the references should be allowed.

It is the last entry in the Fan Campaigns section about Neptune Rising, and the references I used were from 'Copywrite, Ink' which I do believe is a well known and reliable source. Is someone able to help me with this?

Thankyou

Tarzan057 (talk) 00:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Tarzan057 2nd June 08


Sorry, One more thing, I could change the references from Copywrite, Ink to The SaveVeronicaMars.TV website as that has all the information listed on that too and that site has already been used as reference here before. Would that be preferable?

Thanks again

Tarzan057 (talk) 00:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Tarzan057

Look at WP:RS, specifically as it related to blogs. I'm not sure which you added, but several of those are to blogs written by and for fans. It would be better to see major/recognized media outlet coverage of the fan campaigns. I added the tag to highlight the deficiency--the standard language indicates that anyone can remove poorly sourced statements, but I don't have any intention to start deleting anything. Jclemens (talk) 00:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for the very speedy reply. :o) Ok, I completely understand about not having blogs up by fans, the link I had was to Copywrite , Ink, which is in no way related to the Veronica Mars fan campaign at all. I did read about wikipedias's verifying and citation, and I still believe the Copywrite, ink article should be OK, although I completely understand the hesitancy in using blogs. Can I give you the link so you can check it out so I know if I shouldn't be using it for sure.

http://copywriteink.blogspot.com/2007/09/making-grade-veronica-mars.html http://copywriteink.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

Sorry If I am coming across as dumb, I have never posted on Wikipedia before.

Tarzan057 (talk) 01:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Tarzan057

You do not come across as dumb. Feel free to ask any questions, and Welcome to Wikipedia! :-)
So, I looked at Copywriteink, and it appears to be solely under the editorship of one person. That essentially makes it a self-published source. Therein lies the problem--guidelines may evolve in the future, but tend to look less favorably on such. With regards to current events, I've found that other editors tend to be more tolerant of such sources when they are used in combination with traditional media. So, I don't think they have to be removed, but if you could conjure up a link or two to ET, Hollywood Reporter, or USA Today that validates what's being said, it will help establish notability for the fan campaign under discussion. Jclemens (talk) 01:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


Thankyou so much for the help, I will start looking for other sources that are better.

Thankyou :o)

Tarzan057 (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Tarzan057