Talk:Verkhovna Rada
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[edit] Out of date
I've marked a section out of date, as it doesn't have the current electoral law. I'm told that there are no constituency members any more in the Ukrainian Parliament. Francis Irving 14:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Immunity
This passage was removed
- It allows opposition leaders not only to avoid authorities pressure themselves, but also to protect their supporters by direct interference in arrests, searches etc. E.g., during the 2001 UBK campaign, the deputies were trying to prevent the mass groundless arrests of youth in Kyiv by breaking into militsiya precincts and vehicles.
I agree it's rather specific, but it does colourfully illustrate the rather extreme degree to which immunity applies. The image of parliamentary deputies participating in what would be considered mass hooliganism by some is just too precious to leave out. Perhaps it can be more concise, or move over to Politics of Ukraine? —Michael Z. 17:24, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
- What I meant is as follows.
- From the legal point of view, it wasn't just an application of the immunity. PMs also have the right to enter any state agency, including militsiya precincts. It's better to organize these ideas under a subsection on the status of the deputy.
- The passage gave an impression that the immunity is absolute. However, it is not. A deputy can be arrested if the parliament votes to do so (226+ votes).
- Finally, and more importantly, the passage described actions of individual deputies, not the action of the parliament as a whole. So, I think it is perfectly fine for a history article or UBK article, but not in the article on the Rada as the legislative body of the government.
- Sashazlv 22:31, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Current factional composition
- Please, update the article. Sashazlv 11:47, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Таким образом, по состоянию на вторник, 18 января, численность 12-ти парламентских фракций и депутатских групп такова: "Наша Україна" - 101 депутат, КПУ - 59, "Регіони України" - 56, НАПУ - 32, СДПУ(о) - 29, "Єдина Україна" - 21, СПУ - 20, БЮТи - 19, ТУ-НДП - 18, "Союз" - 17, "Центр" - 14, "Демініціативи" - 14.
Внефракционными остаются 50 из 450 избранных народных депутатов.
[edit] Old composition
Seats by party/faction: (as of the autumn of 2004, may rapidly change)
Our Ukraine 102 Regions of Ukraine 67 Communist Party of Ukraine 59 Trudova Ukrayina - Industrialists and Entrepreneurs 42 Social Democratic Party of Ukraine (United) 36 People's Power 22 Socialist Party of Ukraine 20 Yuliya Tymoshenko Bloc 19 Democratic Initiatives 18 Agrarian Party 16 People's Democratic Party 14 People's Choice 14 independent and unaffiliated 21
[edit] Etymology
- Verkhovna, an adjective of feminine gender, is a neologism of the second quarter of the 20th century. It was borrowed from Russian and means "supreme". However, few native speakers will now recognize its foreign origin.
Isn't verkh a normal Ukrainian word for 'top', and verkhovna the conventional construction for the feminine adjective: 'topmost'='supreme'? —Michael Z. 2006-01-29 20:17 Z
- I heard many times from philologists that "verkhovna" is a very atypical adjective in Ukrainian. To be exact, "verkhovna" is not Ukrainian at all. Adjectives from "verkh" are: "verkhniy" and "verkhnya", like "Verkhniy Val" -- a central street in Kyiv. These adjectives don't have a simple superlative degree (we don't say -- "nayverkhnishyy"; compare -- pizniy - naypiznishyy). Even complex superlative, "naybilsh verkhniy", sounds strange. "Verkhovna" is supposed to be the superlative degree, but in Ukrainian suffix "-ovn" is never used to form superlatives. Proper word would be "nayvyshcha". Sashazlv 02:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the patient explanation; that makes sense when I read it. But I'm still thinking that there may be some other Old Slavic connection, related to the word verkhovyna—although that may have entered the language separately from this one, or maybe at the same time. —Michael Z. 2006-01-30 05:09 Z
- I think that "verkhovyna" developed independently. First, its a dialect. Second and more important, it is "verkhoVYna". Vowel "Y" is under stress. Because of the stress, it is very unlikely that "Y" could fall out to form suffix "-ovn" in "verkhOVNa".
- There is certainly a connection through stem "verkh", no question. Sashazlv 18:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
- No, certainly not that analogy about vowel change in the root of the word, nizh-nozha. But let's leave further discussion to professional philologists. Sashazlv 00:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Infobox
Please add Infobox Parliament —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.78.245.135 (talk • contribs).
