Talk:Verity Lambert

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[edit] Doctor Who Anniversary

To whoever edited my portion about her death coming on the 44th Anniversary of Doctor Who, thanks. When I found out it wasn't quite correct I came here to delete it, but your solution is much better. Speednik (talk) 18:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POp culture

Shld we have a VL in popular culture section? Rich Farmbrough 08:59 18 May 2006 (UTC).

What could go in it other than the Python sketch? Angmering 17:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World record holder

This will need to be verified, but a few years ago I heard a radio programme in the UK that claimed VL held the world record for the greatest number of television programme credits. In other words, her name appears in the end credits of more tv programmes (I think that means individual episodes of all the different programmes) than anyone else in teh history of television.

Its an interesting and curious claim to fame. One would immediately think of someone like Aaron Spelling so famous for so many US TV shows, but no, it seems that the answer is VL, a name unknown to most of the world unless you are "in the industry".

Can anyone else shed further light on this?

I certainly doubt she appears on the end credits of more individual episodes than the likes of Tony Warren (who gets a credit at the end of every episode of Coronation Street for creating it) or theme tune composers of other long-running series (such as Ron Grainer on Doctor Who, for example).
It's not a claim I have ever heard associated with her before, anyway.Angmering 06:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image?

Is there a suitably free image of Lambert as a young woman that we could use to illustrate, say, the BBC section? It would be nice to show her as the "tall, dark and shapely" young woman of the Mail article, and another image of Lambert herself would be preferable to all the images of studio buildings. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I put the studio images in because they were free and it seemed preferable to have at least *some* images in the article. However, I've not thus far been able to locate any free images of Lambert, hence the fair use claim screengrab at the top. Angmering 06:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Can we claim fair use for another screengrab, say, one from the documentaries on Doctor Who: The Beginnning? Or does the fair use policy restrict us to one image per article? (I know that at WP:WHO we restrict ourselves to only one image per serial for serial/episode pages, but this seems slightly different to me.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Problem is, I can only think of such documentaries using still images of the young Lambert — and as a screengrab of such an image would basically be a grab of a photograph, I'm not sure how the fair use rationale covers that. Pity the DVD of Nineteen Eighty-Four was cancelled, as I believe one of the extras on that was going to be an excerpt from the Late Night Line-Up episode from 1965 on which Nigel Kneale told her exactly what he thought of Doctor Who — could have taken a grab from that if it had come out. Plus of course I would just really like to see it... Angmering 19:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passed GA

Passes on all counts. But I agree that for FA, the prose is somewhat difficult. Errabee 14:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lifetime achievement award

Not long before the recent sad news, Variety reported that Verity Lambert was to receive a lifetime achievement award this December:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117976448.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

I'm not sure of the best place to put this. --The Brown Bottle 13:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ABC

Is it correct to show an image of the ABC studios in Manchester and say that Verity worked there? Both Granada and ABC had London offices and ABC had studios in London (at Teddington, pictured further on in the article where The Avengers among other programmes was made). Whilst all of Granada's tv work was made in Manchester, only a small part of ABC's output came from Didsbury. I suspect Verity was always London based - Sydney Newman certainly was and she was his secretary and then PA. A trivial point, I know, but one I felt worth raising.--Jtomlin1uk (talk) 11:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Probably true. I should have looked into this more when we first added the photos, but as the piece was so sorely lacking in visual material I thought it was nice to have them there... Should of course be removed if inaccurate. Angmering (talk) 18:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"Thames Television, a successor company of her former employers ABC." Is this correct, or were they just successors to the London weekday franchise? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No, they evolved from the same entity — Lambert herself says (on the Origins documentary on "The Beginning" DVD set) that ABC "later became Thames Television". I forget the exact details — I'm sure they're in our Thames article — but I think the ITC forced some sort of shotgun marriage between ABC and Associated-Rediffusion, and Thames was born out of that. Angmering (talk) 18:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps (on hold)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

  1. Some statements require citations. Some (but not all) of these may be argued to be inherent to the works, which can be argued, but a citation is preferable. Feel free to leave subnotes to each of these:
    "She then moved from administration to production, working on drama programming on ABC's popular anthology series Armchair Theatre. Armchair Theatre was overseen at the time by the company's new Head of Drama, Canadian producer Sydney Newman." (Early career in independent television)
    All direct quotes require direct citations, even if it's the same as the one at the end of the sentence/paragraph.(2 in "BBC career", 1 in "Thames Television and Euston Films")
    "In 1969 she left the staff of the BBC to join London Weekend Television, where she produced Budgie (1970–72) and Between the Wars (1973). In 1974, she returned to the BBC on a freelance basis to produce Shoulder to Shoulder, a series of six 75-minute plays about the suffragette movement of the early 20th century." (BBC career)
    The first paragraph of "Thames Television and Euston Films", especially the second sentence, which sounds very POV without a citation
    The fourth paragraph of "Thames Television and Euston Films", especially the last sentence
    The first paragraph of "Cinema Verity", especially the first sentence
    "A less successful Cinema Verity production, and the most noted mis-step of Lambert's career, was the soap opera Eldorado, a co-production with the BBC set in a British expatriate community in Spain." (Cinema Verity) Sounds very POV without a citation. The quotes below show that it was a misstep, but who said it was the most noted?
    The fourth and fifth paragraphs of "Cinema Verity"
  2. All one-two sentence paragraphs must be either expanded or merged with the surrounding paragraphs, as they break up the prose and disrupt its flow.
  3. The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it must not introduce information that is not present in the body of the article (like the information in the two quotes in the fourth paragraph) and must summarize every major point/heading made in the body of the article (there's little, if anything, on the "Early career in independent television" or "Cinema Verity" sections)

If all of the above concerns are addressed, I will return to check the references.

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Cheers, CP 01:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Since the concerns were not addressed, I will be delisting the article. If improvements are made, it may be renominated once all of the concerns have been addressed. Cheers, CP 17:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)