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La villa rica de la vera cruz, is spanish. In catalan it is: La vila rica de la vera creu (the rich town of the red cross). From the royal flag, a red cross on white background (Saint George cross).

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[edit] Population

I think the second half of this article needs to be moved to the veracruz city page.


As many vandalisms as this page seems to have suffered, I'm guessing this is the product of one. (Vandalism is among the most despicable activities humans have managed to invent).

It seems to me very improbable that the second most populous city in Veracruz is Orizaba, as the text now says. Probably it would be Mina-Coatza, then Xalapa, or Córdoba, and Orizaba below any of these. Anybody have the population statistics handy enough to check this out. I don't have them or the time to look for them.

--Lavintzin 01:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Veracruz city population link: World Gazetteer: Largest Cities in Veracruz

The basic idea, copied here for your viewing:

Veracruz city populations As of 2000:

Veracruz 535473

Xalapa 373076

Coatza 225973

Poza Rica 170819

Mina 148896

Cordoba 132091

Orizaba 118552


Even combined, Coatza and Mina don't even come close to the population of el Puerto. I wouldn't exactly call them a metropolis either, as there is about 10 miles of swamp separating them. Combine them with nearby cities such as Allende, and las Choapas, and you're still not there, especially if you do Veracruz the same favor and add in Boca del Rio, etc. I'll change the first paragraph to adequately reflect this. --KÆN 18:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

PS I checked with Mexico's census bureau (CONAPO) and the numbers are a little different, but Veracruz is still without a doubt the largest city in Veracruz. Interestingly enough, its also larger than Tampico, making it the largest city on the Gulf Coast, but the population of metropolitan Tampico (including Altamira, Cuidad Madero, Tampico Alto, etc) is likely somewhat larger than Metropolitan Veracruz (whose only other significant population contributer is Boca del Rio, as far as I know). Also interestingly enough, CONAPO projects that Xalapa's population will surpass that of Veracruz by 2010. Technicalities.... but interesting! link to CONAPO population data --KÆN 22:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Projections, such as those at the CONAPO site, are notoriously inaccurate. Besides, there is no reason to use them when actual census figures are available at INEGI Backspace 03:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Municipio versus Localidad

For Mexico, one has to be careful in what is considered a "city" in the normal sense of the word. In Mexico, the only legal "cities" are the municipios, which consist of a central city plus the surrounding area, and can best be compared to a U.S. "county". Municipios are divided into localidades, which are probably more comparable to what most people define as "cities". These localidades, however, have no legal function, but are only geographical parts of a municipio. They have no local government, but are subject to the municipio's government.

In light of that statement, here are the largest municipios of Veracruz, according to the latest 2005 Mexican census:

  1. Veracruz 512310
  2. Xalapa 413136
  3. Coatzacoalcos 280363
  4. Córdoba 186623
  5. Poza Rica de Hidalgo 181438
  6. Papantla 152863
  7. Minatitlán 151983
  8. San Andrés Tuxtla 148447
  9. Boca del Río 141906
  10. Túxpam 134394
  11. Orizaba 117289
  12. Cosoleacaque 104970
  13. Temapache 100790

Here are the largest localidades It is important to note that there are two localidades named Veracruz, and two named Minatitlán. All localidades are in the municipio of the same (or very similar) name except as noted:

  1. Veracruz [Veracruz municipio] 444438
  2. Xalapa-Enríquez 387879
  3. Coatzacoalcos 234174
  4. Poza Rica de Hidalgo 174512
  5. Córdoba 136237
  6. Veracruz [Boca del Río municipio] 129416
  7. Orizaba 117273
  8. Minatitlán [Minatitlán municipio] 109791
  9. Túxpam de Rodríguez Cano 78523
  10. San Andrés Tuxtla 58757
  11. Martínez de la Torre 56433
  12. Papantla de Olarte 51716
  13. Acayucan 49945
  14. Coatepec 49608
  15. Tierra Blanca 44171
  16. Minatitlán [Cosoleacaque municipio] 43116
  17. Las Choapas 40773
  18. Río Blanco 39997
  19. Agua Dulce 37987
  20. Pánuco 37450
  21. Perote 34658
  22. Ciudad Mendoza [Camerino Z. Mendoza municipio] 34313
  23. Tlapacoyan 33151
  24. Jáltipan de Morelos 30509
  25. Coatzintla 30061

I hope that this helps to settle some debates.

You can find documentation for all this at INEGI

By the way, Veracruz is the largest Mexican city on the Gulf of Mexico. That figure on Tampico would probably be the metropolitan area population, which as the article indicates, includes the cities of Ciudad Madero and Altamira. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Backspace (talk • contribs) 19:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC).
Yes, those were my comments. I am forgetting to remember to put those four tildes in at the end of my comments. Re: the previous comment: The figure of 659,597 in the current article for Tampico is the 2005 census official total for the municipios of Tampico: 303,924 plus Ciudad Madero: 193,045 and Altamira: 162,623. Backspace 02:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The official?

Does this make any sense to anyone?

"The official of this Mexican state was Veracruz-Llave from ..."

[edit] Languages of Veracruz

I'm interested in knowing what were the pre columbian Indian populations of Veracruz, what languages they spoke, and what's left of these languages nowadays (including speaking populations, and whether they are primary languages, secondary/family home languages, or relegated to patois/backwater language status). Does anybody know a good source for such information? --Svartalf 19:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appearance/representation in Rose Bowl Parade

For Veracruz to be represented at the Rose Bowl parade is a major achievement. This should not be removed without discussion and consensus. Ronbo76 21:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)