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[edit] Culture of Vermont

Culture of Vermont is a collection of articles about art, architecture, literature, music, and the more general phenomena (mud season, snow, cider, and honey) associated with the culture of the U.S. state of Vermont. These could be described as being a part of the Vermont experience. It intentionally differs from the category Vermont culture which is more excusively about traditional culture: literature, music, etc. Please add your voice here, or add articles. CApitol3 12:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

To put things simply, this category should not be. Articles that really are about Vermont should be moved to Category:Vermont culture. Articles that are not about Vermont (snow, cider, homebrewing, honey...) should get a mention in an article on Vermont culture, but not be lumped into this category. OK, thats my opinion anyway. I've also voiced this at Category talk:Vermont culture. -MrFizyx 17:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thanks for your opinion. CApitol3 22:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Please help

Sure would be nice to have more linked entries. At least one for each letter would be really impressive. CApitol3

Some of the items in this category seem inappropriate. For instance Snow and Honey, if every state and country in the world which considered snow or honey part of their culture added these to their culture category it would be ridiculous. Why not start a Vermont culture article instead explaining how these things pertain to the culture of Vermont. GameKeeper 06:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi gamekeeper. I guess I am taking a very broad view but I think Vermont culture does include these things. My definition would be what are on a list of say, 100 things I most associate with my home state. How could snow, or mud season, not be there? I hope that culture can include experiences of everyday life as well as chamber music, architecture, books, Mozart festivals, and museums. Consider taking a look at the category "Culture of Quebec" there you have a Canadian province that like Vermont has a bit of a distinct culture that differs from other states (provinces). Yes, Minnesota might also list snow in their category culture, but I am guessing not. This is a bit of a cultural construct I admit, but I think they ar things that many, Vermonter or visitor, associate with Vermont. Best, Jim CApitol3

I think your definition of culture is overly broad and unsuited to a Category. See WP:Categorization#When_to_use_categories
If you go to the article from the category, will it be obvious why the article was put in the category? Is the category subject prominently discussed in the article?
the category Category:Culture of Quebec, which you mention as an example does not contain such general items as Snow or Honey , every item referenced that I checked in Category:Culture of Quebec directly explained its relation to Quebec. You seem to be trying to give a feel of the culture of Vermont by collecting together a list of things, this would be far better served by an article on the Culture of Vermont . For instance rather than categorising Snow as part of "the Culture of Quebue" corresponding article Culture of Quebec mentions snow at Culture of Quebec#Sports and hobbies ...As Quebec is snow-bound for several months of the year, typically from November to March ... . This is far more useful as it gives us the cultural context of snow to Quebec. GameKeeper 20:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category modeled on Culture of Quebec, which includes a wider range of articles

Seems I have misread your suggestion. But think it is fine, it is intentionally more inclusive. Quebec's category includes things like a tuque, these sort of articles relate to the Vermont experience as well.CApitol3 12:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

See WP:Categorization#When_to_use_categories
If you go to the article from the category, will it be obvious why the article was put in the category? Is the category subject prominently discussed in the article?
A tuque is in the Category:Culture of Quebec because the tuque was The symbol was briefly revived by the Front de libération du Québec in the 1970s. as clearly stated in the article on the tuque. The article does not mention anything to do with Vermont and therefore does not furfil the citeria for categorisation. GameKeeper

We disagree on its, and related other subjects (apple cider, oyster crackers, &c.), signifigance. Inclusion of the state's name in the article text is not the criteria. See WP:Categorization#When_to_use_categories CApitol3 12:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes we disagree. I have requested a 3rd parties opinion on this GameKeeper 13:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)\\

Hi GameKeeper, I am not attempting to annoy you, or add discord to a world that already has more than enough. I am making an appeal for a less narrow definition of Vermont culture, (or as I understood you to suggest Culture of Vermont). I guess I would include honey because it is a popular sweetener in Vermont, the state produces a lot, and the state insect is the honey bee. Moonlight in Vermont is not an official state song, but I hear it played at nearly every Vermont wedding I attend. Civil Unions are not exclusive to Vermont, but Vermont was the first U.S. state granting them, and the subject speaks to the Vermont ideal of balancing personal freedom with the larger community. Maple related things are, I understand, not an exclusive domain of Vermont, but central to the Vermont experience. Ditto for town meeting, ice fishing, hunting, tuques, box socials, and mud season. And I have tried to keep political idealism out of this. While Bread and Puppet theater (liberal/left) is listed, I also listed snow mobiles, brook trout, &c.. Okay, those are my thoughts, thanks for keeping me posted on this. JimCApitol3 15:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello GearedBull/CApitol3 I came here because the article "Homebrewing" was added to this category. This is not a good use of a category as homebrew is common in all 50 states and around the world AND because the article does not even make mention of Vermont (nor should it really). Please, stop misusing this category and consider the suggestion that you've been given to write an article about Vermont culture that includes links to appropriate articles. Regards. -MrFizyx 16:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
CApitol3, thanks for doing the legwork and thank you even more for taking criticism well. I think this is much better. I've tagged Category:Culture of Vermont for speedy renaming. -MrFizyx 23:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People

I don't think this category was for people directly. For example, a subcategory is "Vermont writers." That makes sense. But just to dump people in here is not exactly self-explanatory. Politician Warren Austen was in here, for example. Why??? He would need to be in another subcategory (at best). -- Student7 (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

In fact, reading the entries, this category is probably best at a high level, containing only subcategories. Then the reason for the article being listed is evident instead of being mysterious as it mostly is now.-- Student7 (talk) 20:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)