Talk:Venus Butterfly
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[edit] Origin and use
Re the reversing of most of my edit: I'm unconvinced that Johanson's personal recollection of "a 1970's soap opera" isn't just a misremembering of the 1980s prime-time soap opera L.A. Law, and would suggest that L.A. Law be reinstated as the first documented reference unless some verification can be found.
Pending evidence otherwise, I also believe my edit was correct in stating that the term has not consistently been used to refer to any one specific technique. Note that many Amazon reviews of The One-Hour Orgasm complain that the book does not, in fact, teach a technique.
(I sort of can't believe I'm discussing this. The things browsing AfD does to me.) --Celithemis 10:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless of the origins, the real world ought to take precedent over fiction. Besides, if LA Law gave no technique, how could Johanson remember that technique from that old TV show? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 20:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- She states she first heard of it there, not that it was described there. A 70s soap opera would hardly have been able to explain the technique, even if such a reference occurred. --Celithemis 23:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- The 70s were a wiiiiiiild time. Deep Throat ran in normal theatres, not just porn theatres. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 23:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Movie theaters didn't have Standards & Practices, but in any case, further support for its being made up by L.A. Law writers: [1]
- And for Johanson's description not being the only purported technique: [2] (also [3] ) --Celithemis 00:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that the opening paragraph should describe the primary reason for notability. The term became famous because of the "L.A. Law" episode, so that's what the initial definition should be. Anything after that, is an attempt to describe something that was brought up in fiction, unless someone can point to a verifiable reference that shows that the term was defined prior to that episode. --Elonka 20:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- The 70s were a wiiiiiiild time. Deep Throat ran in normal theatres, not just porn theatres. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 23:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- She states she first heard of it there, not that it was described there. A 70s soap opera would hardly have been able to explain the technique, even if such a reference occurred. --Celithemis 23:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Inspiration for Alley McBeal?
I am wondering if this could be the inspiration for the "knee pit massage" in the TV Show Ally McBeal. It's been a long time since I saw those episodes, but if I recall correctly, one of the characters learned a special "knee pit massage technique" that drove women crazy. Some of the more silly parts of the plot consisted of various male characters wanting to learn the trick. Since both shows take place in a law firm, and Ally is very tongue-in-cheek at times, this could be seen as either a tribute or a mocking of LA Law. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NisJorgensen (talk • contribs) 19:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
- Could be, but without a source that shouldn't be added to this article. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 21:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Origin and definition of "venus butterfly"
In "365 ways to Improve Your Sex Life: From The Files of the Playboy Advisor"(James Petersen,ed.,New Yorh:Plume,1996), a correspondant, "W.G." from Kansas City is referenced, claiming that the "venus butterfly" was invented by blues singer/guitarist Muddy Waters, and consists of a sexual technique in which the shaft of the penis is worked lengthways into the fold of the vagina so that the head of the penis stimulates the clitoris. The head of the penis is the head of the butterfly, the shaft the abdomen and the labia the wings... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0aardvark (talk • contribs) 03:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
